Davidjayjordan

The last trump IMO is audible, definitely to all of us remaining Christians... the first six are blown by the angels and release the 1/3 plagues upon the antichrist earth. They persecute us, whereas our TWO prophets return to Jerusalem and blast them and send down the Lords six trumpets. These tewo CHRISTIAN prophets die 3.5 days before the 7th Trump Rev 11

Ha, some prisoners have been known to chew off or cut off limbs to allow them to esacpe, better to have only one arm rather than be tortured. Ha, I also hate foot traps on animals, just not humane. But HEREIN< free discussion does help people not chew off parts, but digest fully what they truly believe. Heres a vote for open discussion. I wonder what person this thread was referring to ? Why didn;t they just come out and mention their name ? Why not be honest ?

But the KJV is more than 66 books.... are these people who read more than 66 books Christians ... OR should they be outcast or reprimanded for not reading the 1850 compilation. Or maybe they read a different translation in their mother tongue, not as acurrate as the KJV in English. Or maybe only the seminiarians who study Greek and Hebrew are the only ones to know the truth... even though they have never put the words to use. Interesting topic. I prefer the KJV..... of 78 BOOKS. But dont mind if others, have different preferences Amen ?

Yea....... thats why we are suppose to answer him and her that asketh us questions, politely and in the FEAR OF GOD... as our example. We arent allowed to discuss gay sex, so drop that topic and reference, if you want to, then change the rules or have a special place for that discussion. Because Yes, those opposed do seem to be saying over and over and over again that they are holier than thous, called gays, lesbians, transgendered, bi, etc etc.... I certainly am a sinner, and certainly dont know it all, cause I dont even know why these people are so against these other people. Me I dislike those who favor torture and killing. SEE that topic

So are Christians HERE allowed to differ according to what Bible they read ? Do you mean there is a controversy as to which one is the right translation ? to get the right interpretation ?

KJV of 1611 is by far the best BIBLE in my opinion. Its words are the most concise, in translation, even though not *********. Its seventy or so books are also the best composite ever put together, IMO King James, the ***********, made sure that the translaters did their job accurately or else.... Great Translation because it is tried and proven to work, and is not weak and loosely worded. It is consistent so that the HS can more easily concordance topics in our minds. KJV is the best.

Who are you talking about ? Please be forthright and straight forward. Who is attacking you or your doctrine. I say, discuss doctrines and the sanest and most spiritual and truthful will prevail..... Freedom of speech and choice is a godly trait and desirable for people to determine their own doctrine. Otherwise you have forced doctrine by intimidation, as is done in Communist countries and capitalist countries and worldly universities.

As stated elsewhere Christians should follow Pauls example of being a full time, totally commited , forsake all disciple... probably the bravest of all, and hence the most unstoppable and victorious in getting the message out initially. For Yes, in this area he is a great example, even though he like all of us made mistakes. If I not allowed to mention that he was human or made mistakes, so be it. I wont go into the details. Now back to the topic, and you all can try to explain what Paul wrote.

NO, do some research.. I have posted about Easter Sunday, the Cross, Salvation by Grace, against Nationalism, for Missionary work, and more, Please accuse me if you choose on any of these topics as well. It almost always deals with the Lord's principle of Equality, Love and Grace. Maybe you have heard of them.

Yes Sodomite anal humiliation sex is a sin, a rather horrible one when when it was combined with their nationalistic pride in thinking they were better than the strangers that came to Sodom. That kind of sex, is not for pleasure but for the perversion of torture and humiliation. And in their case, sometimes lead toactual killing. Dont you know these things. You are now responsible for knowing this historical biblical fact. Watch who you accuse. Blame warmongers and torturers, not those that just want to be themselves and hurt no one. SEE That topic HEREIN

Beloved, Jesus made all orientations, men and women in all shapes and sizes and everything in between. Study biology, study the human hormones, study life, then restudy scriptures and all truths. Being what we were born with or whats inside, is being honest to themselves, if you say you are supposedly normal and therefore holy, and can therefore accuse your brethren who are not as perfect sexually as you, I differ with you .. beloved.

My views come from the real world and spiritual world. It appears your view comes from your one interpretation. Yes, I am absolutely stroing and believeing scientifically in Genesis, whether it is the Lord's timeframes of exactness or anything else about His Creation. Genesis exactness is beyond repraoch scientifically and mathematically in my opinion. I love true science and biology and spirituality. Jesus created mankind which includes all men and women and everything inbetween. Sorry the devil didn;t creat hermaphrodites, lesbians and gays, bi's and half way people, they are creations of the Lord, even though you deem them from the devil or evolutionary half breeds. One balled men were not allowed in the temple grounds previously by law, would you also deem one balled men less than men. I dont, I dont care about the number of balls they have, what makes a man a man is his heart and soul... the same includes women because women are equal to men. We are all equal, that is the principle, you must learn to deal with it as a real person. If you knew some very attacked people who have suffered because of your doctrine you might change it to a Christian one. Thats your choice. All people are human all people are equal before the Lord. The Lord doesn;t accuse us of our birth but of our choices and decisions in life. Christians should know this, but few do. Very few !

I know Jay, you don't think it is the same person who confirms the treaty and the one who breaks the treaty. Can you explain to me why the same "he who confirms the covenant for 7 years is the same "he" in the same verse who stops the daily sacrifice in the midst of the week? (Daniel 9) There is no change of the object for he, which tells me that it is the same person. If I'm missing something here tell me. For I believe that is how , by peace he will destroy many. Remember, the devil is a liar, so it's no big thing for him to confirm or agree with the peace treaty, knowing that he will forsake it down the road. ****** , and I do believe this present 'Roadmap to Peace will manifest the prophesied "holy covenant." They have set a target date for 2005 for Palestinian statehood. We're on the doorsteps of this major prophetic event brother, it's awesome. We must continue to blow the trumpet of recognition, so that the world doesn't miss it" Amen !!! Let's discuss how in Daniel 9:27 it says that 'He shall confirm the Covenant with many. Does "he" refer to the AC, I think not as that doesn't mesh with other scriptures from Daniel nor from the Revelation of John. For to understand prophecy, we have to go by the preponderance of scriptures rather than take one sentence and make that our whole interpretation in and of itself. So let's check out the basic verse to start with.... my comments in .......(..) Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, (Jesus) but not for himself: (Jesus died for us) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; (People of the prince, small 'p' is Titus and his Roman army who came to Jerusalem to punish the jews who were rebelling against their rule. This happenned in 70 AD) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, (The end referrs to the End-Time, when the devil and his people will take over in a flood of lies and power) and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Yes, The Lord's prophecy in the Last 7 years is set and can't be changed !!) Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ("he" is a pronoun, but it is obvious that it applies to the Devil, he is the prince of the air and not the prince of Peace --- Jesus. We know that the AC gets totally possessed by the devil in the middle of the Last 7 years, for it is then that he calls himself "GOD" - 2 Thess 2 - but before this the devil gathers his people together to set up the 10 nation kingdom that becomes a world empire in the Lord's eye when it signs the Covenant. So the 'he' in my opinion can definitely refer to the devil gathering his ten signees together, rather than assuming that the "he' refers to the AC. (SEE 7 Kingdoms of Man. ) Why, because all the rest of scriptures seem to indicate precisely and exactly that the AC is not around during the time of the signing, and the AC does not sign the Covenant but comes in afterwards and is against the Covenant and gets people to break the Covenant. For just two chapters previous to Daniel 9 in Chapter 7, it says distinctly that .... . Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. So here, there is no doubt that the ten are different from the one that arises afterwards, and the one that arises afterwards is definitely the AC. IE, the AC is not one of the ten and does NOT sign the Covenant... but arises afterwards and is probably not around at the the time of this Peace Conference which has to be started by the RoadMap to Peace. Who makes up the Covenant ? ... well in Daniel 11:22 it gives a clue as it says that the AC breaks the prince of the Covenant. So logically and rationally, the AC doesn't break himself but destroys someone else who is the composer and maker of the Covenant Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. (SEE AC and the Prince of the Covenant)

Saved by Grace... the scenario is easy or understandable...... Yes the Covenant of Daniel, or Peace Treaty is upcoming and actually the main event we wait for to get things going dwon the exact timeline to the end, also called the BEGINNING as the Lord takes over. It solves the Mid East crisis, as tensions rise higher with US/England, France making further war on Syria, then Lebanon, Gaza, etc etc...... while Russia steps in with its military to stop them, but escalates til it almost becomes a WW. But the he in Daniel 0 27 is not the AC. Putin is not the AC, hes too small, and not eloguent enough, not the stature or all the other requirements.... Putin can sign the agreement as one of the 10, but he gets removed or assainated afterwards or just turns the government over to Surkov. Surkov will become President, and become the AC. Hes the end time pharoah we flee from, to Petra. Our two leaders go back to Jerusalem on schedule to fight and bring down the seven trumpets..... the seventh is the Lord in the air.....

Daniel 7: 2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: (Babylon) I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. (King Nebucanezar's fall until he was humbled by the Lord and got heart and soul Daniel 3) 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon... the three previous ribs of the three previous world governments) and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. (Fulfilled by the dual empire of Medo Persia) 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. (Fulfilled by Greece under Alexander's quick leopard like conquest of the world. This followed by his death, leaving four generals to rule over these countries) 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. The Interpretation being right in Daniel 7 . 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. THIS BEING fuflilled exactly by the ROMAN EMPIRE. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: (THIS is the Upcoming TEN NATION WORLD GOVERNMENT which will sign the Covenant.) 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (O.K. Pay attention.... the interpretation is again right there in Daniel 7...24 .... and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (The little horn arises AFTER the 10 Nation Wiorld Government, and He, the LITTLE HORN is diverse, or diffwerent than the TEN. In other words, He did not sign the Covenant, and actually works to void the Covenant (Daniel 11) because it is not working and wars are still breaking out. So how many horns or kings or countries does the little horn called the AC break or destroy. THREE, exactly three countries are destroyed. How does He do this. What is the greatest weapon on Earth NOW. Nuclear warheads, and so a nuclear country like Russia, is the only possible way the AC could destroy three whole countries. The AC or little horn destroys America, France, Britan...or at least neutralises them into utter chaos.) Don't believe it .. Read on ... 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Who speaks against the Lord...the AC. Who wants to install the Noahide laws to bring so called order to his subjects and worshippers and world citizens. the AC, and who has only three and a half years to do this.... time, times and a dividing of time... the AC) And so NOW reading these verses should make sense to you..... 20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; (Same thing Revelation 12 says, as the AC declares war on us, the Bride of Christ, and we are forced to flee into the desert to Petra. Daniel and Revelation state the same things in the same time frames...exactly) 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom (Halleluia, because after the Battle of Armegeddon, we the saints of the Lord do possesss the land and are the representatives for the Lord on the Earth in the Millenium...the 1,000 Year Rule and Reign of the Lord)

I am angry ONLY at the blatant lies of evolution as mentioned above....... it destroys faith and gives credit for everything in the universe to a false god. Youre SAVED BY GRACE, why would I be angry with you ?

7 Dove, a study of spiritual temples and a study of their alignment with the Sun, would answer most of your questions on this East refers to the aligning of almost every arch or door or entry passage way or opening of the Tabernacle or Temple of the Lord on the Temple Mount to due East...... everything has to be aligned with the Lord. There are straight line alignments from the Holy of Holies, through the Holy Place out the entrance through the 2 Pillars, through the gates, to Mount of Olives. Jesus returns there on His second coming after the 7th vial, the Lount if split and water flows, and Jesus leads His people back into the Temple Mount and takes it back from the AC and his patriotic good citizens of the NWO. Jesus defeated them and they are decimated, and so starts the Millenial RULE of Christ. I would give you the hyperlink and details but it has sexual overtones in its mathematics and alignments and is only for the mature or unoffended types, so allow me NOT to post it. Ask me privately if you want the details

We only can know the power of the cross if we have forsaken our lifes totally and taken up our cross daily and dropped everything and followed HIM to the far ends of the world, or at least have done so in our hearts totally. Years of doing this helps but is not necessary as an absolute newbie and new Christian can know the power of the cross MORE than part time old timers or sometimers. We know the power by testing His power to fulfill His promises when we have forsaken all and just obeyed HIM.

Seventh kingdom is the ten nations that sign the Covenant that stops the Mid East War, upcoming, The eighth kingdom is Russia who destroys three of these war mongering signees and takes over the world...aka AC SEE http://www.davidjayjordan.com/UpcomingTenNationWorldGovernment.html

God is the great Mathematician, and Creator. No confusion, no luck and random chance....... just straight forward power and perfection all done with His Science. SEE Math Mysteries, and hyperlinks to science, creation, Noah, History etc etc etc. http://www.davidjayjordan.com/MathematicsMysteries.html The Lord is good and super intelligent. All intelligence comes from the Lord. There s nothing wise or intelligent that He didnt create, as He understands all things and created all things. Evolution is a total lie and bogus to the core.

You asked .. therefore go to http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Anti-ChristsProphecies.html Even though this might have been a t___. Nevertheless, give an answer to her that asketh thee in sincerity.

And evolution is a blatant lie as the theory of evolution is blatantly filled with lies and deceptions and does not give the Lord credit for being the Creator neither does it allow the obvious design and law harmonies to direct people logically to the Lord of Design. Random luck created nothing, as in NOTHING except addicted gamblers and those willing to throw away their lives. Work and study design and know the designer.

Also do note that the Roman Empire does not go on..... it ended long ago basically in the fifth and sixth centuries when the Lord had no more use for them. The body parts of Daniel 2, and the beasts etc of Daniel Revelation, Esdras etc.... do not say or suggest that one empire keeps going on, but is replaced by another. All the best in your studies.

No, their spirits go on, as you are well aware of. The seven trumpets effect all people wordlwide, and Christians are not immune. Obedient prepared ones fight almost to the end, others die in different ways. Some prepared, most ill prepared. Jesus never promised anyone a full life, just the time alloted and the chances to choose wisely allotted. What is sickness or death to a knight errant, for though he fall yet shall he rise, and woe to the wicked. Besides onward Christian Soldiers marching as to war cause in the endtime there is constant war. Read the trumpets, and then the even worse viles when us Christians are not here... and woe to the wicked. Lets help them now with the Lords love Amen ?

String theory connects, everything is associated with everything else, thats truth, thats harmonics, thats laws, thats a proven theory that the random lucky chance thinkers can;t think about it because they believe totally in randomness and never about design.. or connectivity. Their thoughts are disconnected and want others to disconnect everything from everything else, and lose all synapytic powers, as evolutionary non thinkers.