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    The inspection of Heb 6:4

    The invitation in Hebrews 6 is to go on to perfection. The people that are addressed have become dull of hearing as stated in Heb. 5:11. Because of their condition there is a barrier to their progress. That barrier is stated in these words, "3 And this will we do, if God permit..". If God will not allow them to proceed to perfection then it will be impossible to them. Being dull of hearing happens even to the children of the regeneration. 6 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God,2 instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting,we will do so. 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. Line upon line precept upon precept was Gods way of hardening hearts and dulling ears. The ministry of Isaiah was such as recorded in Isaiah 6. 9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. 10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. 11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, 12 And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. Isaiah 28: 13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. This is how the Lord deals with people of the covenant and children of the regeneration that want to play the game but do not want to love God with all their hearts. They draw near with their lips but their hearts are far from Him.
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    The inspection of Heb 6:4

    Can impossible be placed with the children of the regeneration? Yes. God will not allow them to be renewed to repentance as is stated by the text. The condition of the average Church goer today could not tell us much about these foundation issues that are presented. Many could not pass a test if asked what these things are as presented in Heb. 6. Week after week they need someone to teach them when they should be teachers. This is the context of the address. Consider the warning to the Church at Ephesus in Rev. 2: 4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Consider the warning to the Church at Thyatira Rev 2. 18 “To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19 I know your deeds,your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first. 20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Children of the regeneration that the Lord has something against. He is inviting them to repent but spelling out the consequences if they do not.
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    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    Greetings RC It is good to tie the rapture to a resurrection. The first resurrection is limited and for the purpose of reigning on the earth. I am thinking that all the dead in Christ will rise, such as in the second resurrection, before the rapture. The dead in Christ shall rise first and then we who are alive and remain are caught up together with them. If only part are raised and many left in the grave a rapture here would have those raptured preceding the majority of those who are dead in Christ.
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    What do you think Jesus meant?

    Hello George. It is interesting to me that the first part of the statement is often overlooked. We have not even done the works that Jesus did which He said we would do. Maybe we should start there. Could it be that after we have done the works that Jesus did then we can go onto something greater. Whatever that may be.
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    Gospel is good news. It is all good news. There are many different aspects of the good news. One aspect of truth may seem to contradict another aspect of the same truth. To be declared another gospel there would have to be a denial of the basics of the faith once delivered. For example if it were stated that Jesus did not come in the flesh that would be another gospel. That gospel would not be classified as good news. Therefore it cannot be gospel.
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    Bethel Church - A Different Gospel

    Yes failure happens to many. Your observation says I do not know how they restored him and therefore he is not restored is curious. When you say unrepentant you have made a judgement about the man so I must assume that you know his heart. I do not know all about the restoration and neither do you to be able to make judgement.
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    Bethel Church - A Different Gospel

    The topic at hand is Bill Johnson. Todd Bentley is an easy target. You must know a lot about restoration. What would restoration look like to you? You must be spiritual as in Galatians 6:1 and you have a spirit of meekness so surly you could help.
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    Bethel Church - A Different Gospel

    Bentley is truly a weak and broken vessel. You are correct in the reporting of his failure. What you are not aware of is the men who came and worked with him to restore him. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
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    Spiritual War & Spiritual Armour

    Yes, part of the finished work is the provision of armour . If we do not appropriate what is provided in faith then when we are run over can we question the faith? It is important to understand that this armour that is provided is not to be taken off and put on at leisure. Do not take it off at night, that is when you need it the most. Do not take it off in the day it is necessary protection provided for purpose.
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    Broke free last night, but

    Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not. 15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; 16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction, 17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
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    Bethel Church - A Different Gospel

    Very interesting sources. Turning to these sources to find out about Bethel is like turning to CNN to find out the truth about Donald J. Trump. These do betray a bias and do not reflect the truth.
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    Ecumenism: "Why Can't We Be Friends?"

    It is the role of the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. All that are born again not of the flesh but of the Spirit will know the truth. John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. I do believe that we should contend earnestly for the faith that was once delivered. Jude indicates that need. Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: 2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. The primary concern that each should have is their own position in the truth. The secondary is to help others by teaching them to observe all things commanded. To go after a group with your personal bias is different than that. Yes do not be moved from the simplicity of Christ.
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    Bethel Church - A Different Gospel

    The Pharisees and the teachers of the law accused Jesus of doing things like casting out demons by demons. You might have the imagination that you would not have been one of them accusing Jesus of such things. The scribes and Pharisees held the prophets of old in high esteem but were not to kind to the prophets that were in their day. They thought we are not like our fathers but they were just like them. In Matthew 23 Jesus reveals to them what they are doing. I will not post the entire chapter here but you should read it . This passage indicates that they kill the prophets sent to them and they are guilty of the blood of all the prophets being guilty along with their fore fathers. Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. By your words You sit in Moses seat. Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: I challenge you to produce any proof that Bethel invites demons into their services. Be careful not to attribute the works of the Holy Spirit to demons.
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    Ecumenism: "Why Can't We Be Friends?"

    It seems that by bible you mean the cannon. If that is true then you are accepting the work of Catholic priest who met together to examine what writings should be accepted for public reading and teaching. This work was by no means to shut off revelation. There are many things that are not in the bible that are not evil and mentioning these things are not adding to the revelation. The words Lutheran, Methodist, Protestant, are not found in the bible, are these contrivance of minds of flesh? Deuteronomy 4: 1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. If the command is not to receive further revelation then the cannon is closed at Deuteronomy 4. In all expressions of faith there are good things and things that are not so good and maybe even evil. Our task is to find our own way on this journey always seek the truth and try not to kill everyone who does not agree with us.
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    Ecumenism: "Why Can't We Be Friends?"

    You do understand that the Catholic Church is no the same as the Roman Catholic Church? The Catholic Church of which I speak is the invisible Church made up of every nationality and tongue that confess the name of Christ. It may include some of the Roman Catholics.