Revelation Man

Hello brother, mostly I think Dan. 11:21-35 is about Antiochus Epiphanes, but I always says Dan. 21-34 because verse 35 indeed seems to be a "Transition verse" I think its about the Jews from that time on (Maccabean War) who came to God, then unto Christ for the whole Church Age, and even into the 70th week. So, I get your Daniel 11:35 point, but I do not think its just about the 70th week, if you catch my drift. As per Rev. 12:1-5 I do not think there is an easier prophetic code to understand, its Israel. Then we get the play by play of end time events. As per Rev. 6:11 I think they are the Gentiles who repent, Satan/A.C. can't get at the Woman sans Israel. BUT........I think all the Seals are Prophetic Uttering except Seal #7 where it is just the last binding on the scroll that binds the Trump Judgment Scrolls. Joel 2:31 AND Seal #6 are BOTH pointing towards Trump #4 where the Sun & Moon go dim/dark by 1/3, it points to God's Wrath that begin with the Trumpet Judgments and last 42 months, not at the 6th Seal but in the near future, after the 6th Seal, which all starts at the 7th Seal. The first 5 Seals foretell the Anti-Christs 42 month rule. 1.) He conquers by Peace or deal making 2.) Then he conquers by War 3.) His rule brings 42 months of famine. 4.) His reign of terror sees many dying, much sickness and many going to the Grave (Hades). Seal #5 is God seeing into the future and telling us the hearts of those killed after the A.C. conquers and rules over the masses. But they are Christian Martyrs who repent after the Rapture, the Jewish Saints who repent are protected. Those Martyrs are told (even though its future) they must wait until their brothers have all been killed in like manner as they have, so they are not raised & judged until Rev. 20:4, meaning they can not be the Saints seen in Rev. 7:9-16, that can only be the pre 70th week or pre trib. raptured church, imho.

Yes, Rev. 12:1-17 is about a FUTURE EVENT, but Rev. 12:1-5 is a code to understand the end tine event. John being shown in the future, and event with a coded message does not break the Rev. 4:1 truth that everything is future from that point on. The male child comes, dies and now sits at the righthand of God. So, we get the key to understanding "The Women" without that code who would understand? John could not say Israel because if he did that would have periled the lives of those Christians passing down the the book of Revelation/letter. Rev. 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. So, the Woman is described above and a key code in Gen. 37:9 is given, then below she flees unto Judea, so that happens at the 1260 event, so its evident everything about this event is past the Rev. 4:1 Rapture. Verses 1-5 was just telling us who the Woman is (Israel) 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness(Prophecy starts here), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days(1260 days). 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.( So, Satan chases Israel for 1260 days because he gets cast out of heaven at the midway point. So, everything in Rev. 12 is about the 1260 DOTL event ) 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time(1260). 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.(Israel who birthed the Messiah male child gets persecuted by the Dragon) 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle(God the Father protects Israel), that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time(1260 days), from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood(A.C. Army) after the woman(Israel), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman(the 1/3 who repent), and went to make war with the remnant of her(Israel) seed(Jesus see Gal. 3:16 there was ONE SEED, Christ Jesus), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (The underlined bold are very, very important, it proves a pre trib/70th week rapture) Satan can not get at the Woman (1/3) who repents, so he goes after the "Remnant of her Seed" So, the Remnant Church which is on earth by way of repenting after the Pre Trib. Rapture or the Gentile Remnant Church is who the dragon goes after, we know this because he can not get at the Women (1/3) who flees into the Petra/Bozra area and the 2/3 DO NOT have the Testimony of Jesus. The Remnant Church proves the Rapture is pre tri. or pre 70th week

The King of the North is the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast. He will be the E.U. Leader/President. He must be an Assyrian by bloodline(Isaiah 10), who is born in Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates this, there is no wat around it) and comes to power in the E.U. (Dan. 7:7-8). The King of the South will be Egypt, Turkey or both coming against the E.U. and its President the KOTN.

For starters we have to understand who Babylon is or we are all just talking past each other. God tells us in Rev. 16:19 exactly who He sees Babylon as, then we can go about deciphering Rev. 17 and Rev. 18. Rev 17 has nothing to do per se with Babylon, its merely used as a descriptor to describe the Harlot. After we unravel who Babylon is, the understanding Rev. 18 becomes a cinch. Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake Jesus' Return), and the cities of the nations fell(Jesus wins at Armageddon): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. So, as Jesus defeats the City/Nations at Armageddon, after he lands on Mt. Zion and splits it asunder, God looks on those Jesus defeated and sees them as "Babylon the Great" whom he just gave His Wrath unto at the 7th Vial. So, who are they? Well, the 6th Vial tells us, the three unclean spirts tricked these people into coming to Armageddon, to fight against God. Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. So, God sees those defeated at Armageddon as Babylon the Great, thus God sees the WHOLE WORLD as Babylon. It makes sense because Babel means Confusion, so if God looks at this world as being run by Satan for the last 6000 years, and his mission is to so confuse the world that they fight their own loving Creator, then Babylon is an apt description. Basically, Babylon is Satan's Dark Kingdom of Deception. That is why Babylon falling always coincides with Satan being locked up. Now to the two sided coin. Rev. 17 is about the Harlot, not Babylon per se. The Harlot is All False Religion of All Time. Babylon is one of three Descriptors, the MYSTERY is a header, MYSTERY 1.) Babylon the Great (Babylon is world renown for FALSE RELIGION) 2.) Mother of Harlots (FALSE RELIGION is the original Harlotry sans Mother) 3.) Abominations of the Earth (God hates all FALSE RELIGION) Now we understand why the Harlot rode the back of the Beasts. False Religion and Worldly Governments under Satan were always hand in hand until the last beast (A.C.) who wanted to be worshiped as god him self, so he destroyed the harlot religions or forbid all religions but beast worship. Rev. 18 was your question, but I could not explain this without explaining who God sees Babylon as being and who He sees the Harlot as being. Now, looking at Rev. 18 and thinking of Babylon as the WHOLE WORLD, lets see if every verse fits like a glove !! We will thus get to your verses also, but by that time it should be obvious. I will go verse by verse. Think of Babylon as the WHOLE WORLD being judged in reference to Rev. 18 Rev. 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. {{So, Satan's power of the Earth (Babylon) is broken, he will no longer be able to confuse mankind because he will soon be in the bottomless pit. He has however at this time be cast down to earth with al his demons, and those in the pit will be released at the first woe. Now do we understand why Babylon(world) has become a "Habitation of Devils"? See my point? Its the world being judged}} 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. {{ Those men who chose worldliness over God, like Kings, Business men, Merchants were made rich, but in so doing they forgot God. }} 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. {{ This is God calling Israel to flee unto Judea before He judges the world. Its that simple. Because the 1/3 who repent will be protected and the 2/3 who refuse to repent will all die. }} 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. {{ The people of this world had no time for God, they loved sin more than God, so they will be rewarded in such manner a double portion. They all (we see this attitude daily from Atheist, the Rich, those who deem themselves intelligent) see themselves as wise, but are foolish in heart by denying God His true place as the Majestic Creator. The part that says she (the world) sits as a queen, and says I a no widow means this world thinks they have all the answers, they say we will never be judged and die by any God because there is no such thing as God. }} 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. {{ So, the world gets Judged over a 42 month period right? The Day of the Lord lasts for 1260 days or 42 months. The world gets judged by God over a 42 month period of time, with fire, famine and plagues. }} 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, {{ We know that 1/3 of the World's trees burn, this sets houses and businesses on fire, as this world is getting judged, these merchants/kings cry and wail for their beloved earth, the world the loved more than they loved God. }} 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon(World), that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. {{ Again, the world gets Judged over a 42 month period right? Well that is what ONE HOUR means. Look at Rev. 17:12, the 10 Kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast who we know rules 42 months !! The bible always interprets itself. }} 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: {{Billions of people die, they lose their patrons, the earth is ablaze, this is prose, meant to show how those who trusted in this EVIL WORLD, who loved money, homosexuality, abortion, lusted after materiel things and who were greedy in all their ways while not accepting God nor His ways will now mourn. }} Now from this point on it is more a collective description of Worldliness and the vanity that all this stuff brings in the end 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. {{ So, in ONE HOUR (42 months), this world they so loved has been judged and made desolate (its become ruins). All these materialistic things the world trusted in OVER God are now worth nothing at all. }} 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. {{ God has judged the evil world who killed the prophets, via her false religions and false gods, the world who Martyred those who followed God/Jesus. }} 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. {{ Jesus starts his 1000 year reign on earth, Babylon will be no more, Satan is locked into the bottomless pit. He will be released for a season, but will never be allowed to rule on earth again. }} This portion below is referencing the Church being taken out of Babylon (this evil world) whilst all this 42 months of Judgment is ongoing. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle(Church) shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee(the Church is not here at this time of Judgment, neither is the Bridegroom Jesus, we are in heaven Marrying the Lamb, of course): for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. {{ All those slain for God's name can only mean the WHOLE EARTH !! }} You see, it all fits only one thing, the WHOLE WORLD is Babylon the Great.

Yes, I put Matt. 24 1-14 together a few years ago and realized none of it "basically" is about the end times, whilst verses 15-31 are about the 70th week. What people do is point to verses 7-8 and say, that end times, some go as far as to so its a part of the 70th week and are thus in error. So, why did Jesus mention verse 7 and 8 (THINK) he was affirming verses 4-6 were NOT END TIME EVENTS, or were later on, not the end (70th week events) so he demonstrated why it could not be end times, that's all verses 7 & 8 were meant to do But why? Because he knew if his disciples did not stay from Jerusalem during these times (66-70 AD wars) and though Jesus had returned then the early church would not doubt follow the to Jerusalem and all would be killed. So, Jesus was letting them know those 70 AD "false christs" were not going to be him, he let them know 100 % in vs 14 how they could tell. But notice, in verses 9-13 he goes back to the Disciples fate, you will all be betrayed and killed (Save John), so they knew their fate, and thus Jesus warned them "THEY" must endure until the end [of their lives] THESE WERE NOT END TIE EVENTS !! Then in vs. 14 Jesus told them that THE END (70th week) would not come until the Gospel had been preached unto the whole world, and the Disciples knew about China and India and even the Scythians (modern day Russia) so they knew 100 percent that the would never see Jesus' return, thus those Wars and rumors of Wars in 70 AD could not be Jesus come again, so they would never have rushed ack to Jerusalem thinks Jesus has returned. So, verses 7-8 were merely throw away DISCRIPTIONS of all the things that would have to happen before Jesus' return, thus the 70 AD events were LATER ON, as he says in vs. 6. Then describes why in verses 7-8, like HEY, this, this, this, this, this and thus must happen before the end comes, then Jesus goes right back into the Disciples lives and tells them they will all be killed, so verses 4-13 have nothing to do with END TIMES, verses 7-8 are Jesus showing them why the end is not yet and why 70 AD will not be his return. So, after the Gospel goes all around the world (now) vs. 14 says the End or 70th week will come. Yet everyone or almost everyone says Matt. 24:4-14 is END TIMES, its not, verses 15-31 is indeed end times, its the 70th week, after the Pre trib or pre 70th week Rapture as seen in verse 14.

Again, so since you "read it" you misrepresented what I stated, and anyone reading it can understand, except maybe you.

For starters you misrepresented what I stated, if you had read you would have known better, but of course your type love to misquote others putting forth an already "understood agenda". I never stated there would be no false christs, I stated Israel will never accept the Anti-Christ as this FALSE CHRIST. Then I explain the False Christs mentioned in Matt. 24:4-6 and in John 5:43 were FULFILLED in 70 AD. And that no Jew will ever accept a Gentile as a false Messiah, it will not ever happen, PERIOD. Then in Matt. 24:24 Dennis is correct, Jesus call the False Christs and False Prophets plural because he is talking about all three time he spoke about them in Matt. 4-6 (70 AD). In Matt. 24:9-11 where he was talkin g about the Prophets getting killed by the orders of Rome because they were taking patrons away from the Zeus and Jupiter type religions, and Rome believed in those gods. So, THOSE false prophets had the disciples all killed, save John. So, you did not read or misrepresented what I stated on purpose. This is why you always get everything wrong.

The bible does not really preach a false messiah is coming, that has been extrapolated from men through the years, mostly from misdiagnosing passages, some which were meant for 70 AD like Matt. 24:4-6 and John 5:43. Other passages which speak about the Anti-Christ and false prophet (Matt. 24:24-27) says they will preform miracles and TRY (key word) to deceive the elect, so how do I get TRY? Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before[hand]. {{Which mean's it is NOT POSSIBLE}} 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. So, by reading this passage we know Israel never accepts anyone as their "Messiah" but how do we know? Because Jesus says if it were possible even the elect would be deceived, meaning the 1/3 repent before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel, thus these elect are being protected in the Petra/Bozrah area, and thus it is not eve remotely possible for them to be deceived----BEACUSE---- Jesus has foretold them about these events, as has his Two-witnesses. The A.C. is a Gentile, so the Jews who do not repent know better, they are there, they will get killed, but they of course will not accept him as their "Jewish" Messiah, if they did why would the A.C. kill the 2/3 as Zech. 13:8-9 says will happen? The 1/3 will of course not accept him because they have accepted the Messiah as their Savior. So, what does vs. 24 mean? Well, the False Prophet no doubt tries to trick them with his miracles, claiming to be the Messiah himself or putting a man forth and lying that he is the Jesus who was to come again, he knows if he can get the 1/3 of the Jews who repented and are in the Petra area in hiding, to just come back to Jerusalem, he and the A.C. can then kill them. So, they are going to say Jesus has returned (Remember, these 1/3 Jews are now Messianic Jews or Christian Jews) and they will indeed try to trick them into coming back unto Jerusalem by putting forth a false Jewish man of some sorts, not the A.C. himself, that would of course have no chance of working. The the 1/3 repent and the 2/3 will perish, where in that margin or ratio does any number show they accept the A.C. as their Messiah? But many buy into this, even very famous preachers swear by it. So, its just not a factual event per se. Now 70 AD was indeed the fulfillment of Matt. 24:4-6 and John 5:43. Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. The Church will not be on earth, the Remnant (Church) of her (Israel) Seed (Jesus was that seed read Gal 3:16 ABOVE) So, all those Gentiles who repent after the pre 70th week rapture, are that REMNANT and I can prove 100 % they can not be Jewish. The 1/3 are protected, the Dragon gets angry because he can not get at them, thus he TURNS to go after the Remnant [Church] and that can not be the 2/3 Jews because 1.) They are not a Remnant, 2/3 is larger than 1/3 and 2.) Read the text in verse 17, it says specifically that the Dragon went to make war with the "Remnant of her seed" who have the TESTIMONY of Jesus, how can the 2/3 have the testimony of Jesus when they refused to repent? That Remnant (Church) of her (Israel's) seed (Jesus) can only be the Remnant Church, and thus the Pre 70th week rapture means those Gentiles who come to Christ after the Rapture are the Remnant seen in Rev. 12:16-17. So, that question can not be reconciled with facts my friend. Him claiming to be God Manifest means some people will worship him in such manner, I mean look at the suckers in the world today, but no Jew is going to accept a Gentile King as their Messiah, its just not going to happen. People just never quite think this stuff through tbh. Now other peoples might accept him as God, but I doubt very seriously that an Antisemitic man will claim to be a Jew, would Hitler have claimed to be a Jew? People just get this stuff passed down and it becomes legend. This 3rd Temple thing may or may not come as per unto the Anti-Christs strategy, which comes from Satan (Dan. 8:25 he hears Dark Sentences MEANING he is linked in to Satan and his riddles) or they may just build it themselves. We do not have knowledge of that understanding, it can only be speculation right? So, this whole Dan. 9:25-27 passage is what either confuses the majority or or sends them down a wrong path to start with. These Jews never accept this man as their Messiah, not the 1/3 (of course) nor the 2/3. Most people misconstrue this simple AGREEMENT as a "Covenant" which must be holy in their minds becaise the word covenant is used, thus people wrongly assume that the A.C. must trick the nation of Israel/Jewish peoples in some sort of way, when in fact the soon to come "AGREEMENT" spoken about in Daniel 9:27 is simply this. Israel will join the European Union, that is the AGREEMENT between Israel and the E.U. which arise (10 = Completion or however many Nations makes up the whole of the E.U.) out of the Fourth Beasts Head. The E.U. decides to give their power unto this one man (The E.U. President of course is Elected by the Parliament) and he brokers a deal, accepting Israel as a part of the E.U. Now, where is the beef currently at? Europe and Russia are already basically in a War over the Ukraine. This also explains WHY the 70th week (anger of God) kicks off, Israel just give God's land away for all intents and purposes by joining the E.U. Thus God kicks off the 70th week by Rapturing the Church.

Same difference Gabriel was communicating with Daniel in the lingo he understood. The fact is holy peoples refers to Israel, you seem to have an antisemitic bent. And you do not know exactly what the Angel told Daniel, just what Daniel wrote. He may have told him Israel then told him to not write Israel, but to use an inference, he uses Pleasant Land in Dan. 11:42 not Israel. Israel are who is being spoken about, do you understand the prophecy? From my dealing with you I do not think you understand it at all, you seem to always seem to take the wrong path on anything prophetic. You are also good at taking everything out of context and clinging to single words. CONTEXT MATTERS. Dan. 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. (DOTL) 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king(Alex the Great). 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. (Little Horn/A.C./Beast) 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. {{{ We know that 1/3 of Israel repent and flee Judea into the Petra/Bozra area. Therefore we know the 2/3 he kills are the holy peoples, but they are not of God, so its a Name for Israel who birthed the Messiah, just as the Saints is a name for Israel, as I showed in Rev. 17 the blood of THE SAINTS and the blood of the Martyrs of Jesus that leaves the Saints as ONLY being the Jews, else why add in Martyrs of Jesus at all? }}} 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand. 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. The MANY in verse 25 is Israel and every nation in the Mediterranean Sea Region, THE MANY. No, I never stated everyone was holy and going to heaven, do you know that half of the 10 virgin brides (the Church) are going to not make it to heaven? Jesus said only 5 of 10 make it, yet God called them virgin brides. The Saints in the old testament refers unto Israel, and in Daniel's time do you think anyone else was deemed the holy peoples? You jump down rabbit holes then you can't get out so you have to go to the nth degree to defend an undefendable position.

From Daniels perspective, not yours. Good grief man. Again, these were written 2500 years ago by Daniel and 2000 years ago by John. Yet for some reason you just can't grasp that can you? Was Israel a Pleasant Land 1oo years ago or a deserted waste land? You are being led by the dog, not leading the dog. Get it together man.

Thank you, you just defeated your own argument sir. Israel were a CALLED OUT NATION, everyone knows that. You get everything wrong, how do people get everything wrong, think about that, why? Raptures timing, who the Harlot is who Babylon is etc. etc. etc. You get an idea, and that idea becomes the STRONG MAN, which keeps you from ever learning anything but that original idea.

This is you not understanding prophecy, who did Daniel deem as the holy people? Israel, of course and in other places he called them the glorious land (Dan. 11:41). In Rev. 17 John called those Israelis who had been killed by the wicked Harlot [false religions] "The Saints" and the Christians who had been killed by her the "Martyrs of Jesus". Are all Jews going to heaven? Of course not, so Saint's was used as a general purpose word just like holy peoples means the nation God set aside for His purposes. Zech. 7:14 calls Israel the pleasant land. You just do not understand how to recognize these things in scriptures, to you holy peoples can't mean Israel in general, but PLEASANT LAND can, even though I would guess that not 100 percent of Israel is PLEASANT LANDS !! Everything I have ever seen you put forth is pretty much in error, so you have a 1000 battering average, I will give you that.

Wow, my friend has this pegged 100 %, as per Ukraine, I think the part about Israel was tongue in cheek humor, but I could be wrong.

That verse is about the A.C. who will be the E.U. President. It is about his power which is given unto him by Satan. Rev. 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. How is it you always manage to conflate scriptures sir? In the very verse you cited it states he DESTROYS Israel (the holy people). You clearly do not understand prophecy my friend.

Of course it is, a Covenant in Hebrew simply means an Agreement, only if it is from God is it an holy covenant, so you assuming that is on you. I will post the passage, remember, the bible has no verses, I will split it up as meant. The Three Verses they end the chapter with in the KJV should have been two verses. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again(49 years), and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:(434)...I will edit here to make a point, after 173880 days the Messiah will be CUT-OFF or die. That's the way one should interpret this, just like 49 years is 49 years, not 49 PLUS years. SHOULD BE DIVIDED HERE !! and the people(Romans) of the prince that shall come shall(A.C. 2000 years later) destroy the city and the sanctuary(in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood(70 AD Roman army), and unto the end of the war desolations are determined (The Diaspora). 27 And he(A.C. man) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(with Israel and every nation in the Mediterranean Sea Region, see the European Neighborhood Policy on wiki it runs in 7 year cycles, no kidding): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Now, let me give this to you in easy to understand modern English. The wall is prophesied to be built in a 49 years period, it is coupled with Jesus death, see who its ADDED TOGETHER? The 7 weeks and 62 weeks are a bundle, thus Jesus dies after the 62 plus 7 or after 69 weeks or after 483 years since 434 + 49 = 483. Then we jump 2000 some odd years to the prince (small p) who is to come, he comes out of the European base of the Roman Fourth Beast (see Dan. 7:7-8 it states this emphatically), the same people mentioned in verse 26 at the end of the verse, which should go with vs. 27, they destroy the City (Jerusalem) and the temple and send the Jews off into bondage (Diaspora) where God has set up their punishment for a certain time He has chosen (Desolations to be DETERMINED, get it now? Its from God) Then we get the "He" who is the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast to come. Thus He makes an agreement with Israel, and the many, which means they must have been brought back from being Dead Men's Bones like Ezekiel 37 says will happen at the very end of times. In the midst (1290 which is 30 days before the exact middle of the week or 1260 event) he CAUSES...see that he CAUSES, he can not be the 1290 because he only conquers Israel at the 1260, which is 30 days later. So, he CAUSES but how so? How could he cause this from afar? The Covenant or AGREEMENT is this, Israel will join the E.U. and thus at the 1290, after Israel repents at the 1335 (Two-witnesses Blessing) just before the Wrath of God falls at the 1260, the Anti-Christ will see 1/3 of the Jews (5 million or so) Worshipping Jesus in the temple, this of course makes him irate and he pressures Israel's Prime Minister AND most importantly the High Priest (False Prophet) to "TAKE AWAY THE SACRIFICE" or to forbid Jesus worship in the temple and/or in all Israel. Then this High Priest will defile the temple like Jason did under Antiochus, BUT....THINK you can not defile something not made whole again, God rent the temple (left) and ever since it was defiled, and remained so until 70 AD, just building a new temple will no cleanse it, only when Israel repents will it be cleansed. The bible says Israel repents BEFORE God Wrath falls. In Zech. 13:8-9 we see the 1/3 repent, one verse later in Zech. 14:1 we see the Day of the Lord ARRIVES !! Then Israel gets sacked in vs. 2 and Jesus shows up in vs. 3. Also, in Malachi 4:5-6 we see Elijah is sent back BEFORE the DOTL to get Israel to repent (at the 1335, which is 45 days before the 1290 which is 30 days before the coming 1260 Wrath where God allows the Beast to go forth conquering). Thus there is a 30 day window for Israel to flee Judea before the Beast conquers them. How can the temple be DEFILED if it never got CLEANSED? Answer, it can't be. Now look at Rev. 13 who is it that places THE IMAGE? The False Prophet, not the Beast himself. In short a Jewish High Priest in cahoots with the E.U. President will forbid Jesus Worship and the cheekily place an Image of the E.U. president up in the temple, therefore that is THE SIGN for the 5 million or so Jews who repented to flee to the mountains in Jordan.