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faither 2

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  1. Is this an excuse not to answer the question in my last post?
  2. Everything you posted belongs to the ones who have already been accepted, and have been sealed with the Spirit of Christ. I'm attempting to focus on the transitioning of the called out one going from Rom. 8:9 ,( not having the Spirit of Christ) and what " Faith looks like that starts the journey to being sealed with the Spirit of Christ. I'll try to be more specific. 1) the Grace Christ gave to us as the result of His Faith makes Salvation possible, through Faith, our Faith! 1) The first thing that must happen in the Salvation journey is the Father calls out people to Christ. 2) the called out one then responds with a mental turning of the mind, ( repentance). Turning in the mind from our way to His way. 3) after the call, and the turning in our mind, the called out one takes their first step of Faith, ( specifically pisteuo ) towards Christ. My question to the group is . What specifically is involved in the taking of the first step of Faith in relation to Christ? Remembering, at this beginning stage of the Salvation process, we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet. So Christ, His word, and His promises in His Word are not ours yet either.
  3. Who ever said "Faith or faithing, pistis or pisteuo" must be perfect? Only the Faith and faithing, pistis and pisteuo of Christ is perfect. That is how His Grace came to be the free gift, something only Hecan do. Our Faith and faithing, pistis and pisteuo can only be genuine at best, especially at the beginning of the Salvation journey.
  4. Grace is the gift , and the ability to chose who or what we will serve is a gift also. But Faith applied is a verb, an act , based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. In relationship to God it's a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence. Does anyone have the desire to know what that is ?
  5. In the Greek pistis is Faith, pisteuo is the application of Faith to a specific object of Faith. The problem is pisteuo couldn't be translated into the English language.
  6. There's no such thing as " believing" in Christ for Salvation. The words believe, believer, and believing are mistranslations of the Greek word pisteuo. Pisteuo couldn't be correctly translated into the English language, because the English language has no coresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does to the word Pistis. The Greek language doesn't even have a word for our English words believe, believer, and believing. The reason why? Because the Greek is very specific the most precise language on the planet. In the Greek Faith towards God or anything is always " pisteuo" moving towards God, or " apisteuo" moving away from God. They don't acknowledge any middle ground or neutral state of being. So there's alot to unlearn and talk about. But that can only happen if someone is willing.
  7. Trust and belief are a part of what saving Faith is. But taken on their own is error. Even trust and belief together is error. Abrahams Faith wasn't in God's words or promises ( like todays church world), it was in " God HIMSELF." There's a huge difference, the difference between the wide and narrow path.
  8. Well you are claiming the Spirit of Christ, Christ, His word,and the promises in His word before you have the Spirit of Christ in you. If we could agree that this part of your understanding isn't correct, we could look at what I think is correct. But you have to be courageous, humble and honest to continue, can you do that? Is the chance to know Christ better worth that?
  9. Ya that's a given! But we're discussing when and how the Faith life, in relationship with Christ begins. What's your understanding?
  10. At the start of the Salvation journey, we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet. So Christ, His word, and the promises in His word are not ours yet. Rom. 8:9 So " Faith " must be something other than claiming any of those things , correct? In your understanding, your claiming Christ, His word, and His promises, even His Spirit, and none of those things are ours at the beginning of the Salvation journey. All that is happening is we have been called by the Father to Christ. ( Nobody comes to Christ unless the Father draws or calls them ) So I'm not seeing how claiming things that are not ours yet can be the " correct understanding of Faith". Especially, at the start of our journey.
  11. Ok. In your understanding, God's word produces " Faith". What is Faith exactly? What specifically is God's word producing?
  12. We might have to figure another way. I don't see where I can PM you here. Maybe because I'm a newbie here.
  13. I'm just not your understanding of how the call, responding to the word of God, being " quickened" by the Spirit of Christ, and continuing in "Faith", ( which hasn't been defined yet) all at exactly the same moment in time? Do you agree that there is a time before all those happenings, ( simultaneously or individually ) that we do not have the Spirit of Christ sealed in us yet?
  14. Could I pm it to you tomorrow? I assume I can Pm on this site ?
  15. Could you elaborate on " simultaneous"? What specifically happens at the same moment in time?
  16. Thanks Michael. Are you saying that after we are called out by the Father, we " hear " the word of God, obey it, then claim the promises in it, one of them being " recieving the Spirit of Christ?
  17. Yes,. I've studied under His teaching for over 30 years. How do you know Him?
  18. Thanks Adstar. Do you agree with the beginning state of being I've presented?
  19. The A,B,C's of Faith ? Is this a good thing in your eyes?
  20. Your jumping ahead a bit Do you agree with the state of being at the start of the Salvation journey that I presented? If not, what part and why. Trying to establish a starting point to discuss how Faith is started.
  21. Let me be a little more specific with what I'm asking. At the beginning of the Salvation journey, nobody comes to Christ unless the Father draws or calls them. So the first thing that must happen is the Father calls us out to Christ. At this point where we are just being drawn or called by the Father, we do not have the Spirit of Christ yet, so Christ, His word, and the promises in His word are not ours yet either. As per Rom. 8:9. This state would be before what the church world understands as "believing and recieving". Hope that makes it a little clearer. Any disagreement with this part?
  22. If everyone is in agreement on Rom:8:9, that if we don't have the Spirit of Christ at the very start of the Salvation journey, Christ is not ours. With that said, if We don't have the Spirit of Christ ( because we are at the very start) then Christ, His word, and the promises in His word can't be ours yet either, correct. If we can agree with this beginning state of the Salvation journey, we can then discuss what Faith is, and how the first act of " Faith " is fulfilled.
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