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9 hours ago, Prodigal Son said:
I myself am trying to overcome drug addiction. It is difficult for the ordinary person to understand.
We know it's bad for us, we know it only leads to pain so why don't we just stop?
"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." Romans 7: 15-19 (NIV)
I pray daily for the holy spirit to rid me of such addictions and although I have seen an improvement in my ability to withstand temptation I think it will be always there in the back of my mind, trying to derail me.
Do you mind if I ask how you are dealing with this problem.
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I never intended to return to this thread and won't do so again , no more pearls. You can trample the ones I put before you then continue your trampling of me. As you return to your wallows , I hope that God gives you what's needed to wake up.
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32 minutes ago, faither 2 said:
You'll notice in 1 Cor. 15 , 1-4 it specifically stated " otherwise you have BELIEVED in vain.
That word " believed " is a mistranslaion. It comes from the Greek word " pisteuo ". Pisteuo is mistranslated 248 times in the NT .
I'll just replace the mistranslatied word with the Vines Greek dictionarys definition of pisteuo.
1 Cor. 15, 2 : " Otherwise we have surrendered our lives and lived a life inspired by such surrender in vain."
Your understanding of Faith and faithing , pistis and pisteuo is resting on a mistranslaion.
Where did I learn that the word pisteuo is a verb , an action word?
Where did I learn that Faith the noun , applied by faithing the verb , is an action , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence?
Where did I learn pisteuo couldn't be translated into the English language ?
Where did I learn the English language has no verb form of the noun Faith?
Where did I learn that the words Believe , believer , and Believing are mistranslatied ?
All by Dr. Gene Scott !
How did I know he was right ?
By responding to the call of the Father with a genuine surrendered life ( not a perfect one) and living a life inspired by such surrendered life. Making all the many daily decisions that show God , I concider my life to be His now , not mine.
Then the last part of the Vines definition came true. " Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."
Saving Faith and faithing is simple to understand , just hard to do. But it is possible with trust , courage , and His Spirit.
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19 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
I have provided for everybody to see, the Chapter and Verse that proves I am saved— 1cor15:1-4, unless ,of course , Paul and Jesus are liars.Until you provide Scriptural evidence of what you are claiming to be true (Salvation is only given to those that fully surrender ) you may as well claim we are saved by eating a 50# bag of birdseed.One can claim anything.Prove your claims using the Bible or admit that your unique revelation is just the latest hogwash that has come this way,attempting to set all of us dummies straight.Please don’t hide behind the “ Don’t discuss things of God .....” excuse.If you alone hold the secrets of Salvation, I think God would be very displeased if you do not share them.
You'll notice in 1 Cor. 15 , 1-4 it specifically stated " otherwise you have BELIEVED in vain.
That word " believed " is a mistranslaion. It comes from the Greek word " pisteuo ". Pisteuo is mistranslated 248 times in the NT .
I'll just replace the mistranslatied word with the Vines Greek dictionarys definition of pisteuo.
1 Cor. 15, 2 : " Otherwise we have surrendered our lives and lived a life inspired by such surrender in vain."
Your understanding of Faith and faithing , pistis and pisteuo is resting on a mistranslaion.
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1 hour ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
A surrendered life is a wise move.....I have done it....It did not save me.....it does not keep me saved.I was saved when I acted on a promise of God.The promise was... “ Anybody that ASKS to be saved WILL be saved” Like Dr.Scott said, act on a promise of God and He will put His Spirit in you and that indwelling Spirit will change you.It changed me in many ways. One of those changes was seeing the Wisdom to give control of my life to the One who made me.It simply makes sense to do that, but you ain’t gonna do it unless the Spirit leads you to.Saved Believers who surrender will have a life that is more blessed than the person who refuses to give up the reins of their lives .It is not mentioned in the Gospel Of Paul, given to him by Jesus which says that belief in that Gospel will save you if you simply believe it. Disagree? To quote The late Dr.Scott—- “ show me your chapter and verse”.
You can't claim a promise of God without the Spirit of Christ in you first.
Claiming it or acting as if a promise of God is yours before you have the Spirit of Christ is backwards , a perversion.
If your not fulfilling pisteuo " a continually surrendered life " the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His word , and the promises in His word , are not yours yet. Your still in the drawing of the Father phase of the process. I don't discuss things of God with anyone who can't show they are theirs to talk about. Rom 8:9
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7 hours ago, Jostler said:
taking what is so simple He's made it understandable to a five year old, and making it seem so complex, so mysterious, and couching it in all this drama and exclusivity is not His way. This is not about you. It's about Him and what He HAS FINISHED.
I wish you the best.
What I would like to see from you is exactly what I have shown you , put your understanding of the Salvation process on the table to be tested.
Anything else is just words your hiding behind.
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22 minutes ago, Still Alive said:
Yes. This is why my wife and I don't have health insurance even though we are 65. We put our trust in him. We "surrender" to his will in our life and see the acquisition of insurance as a lack of faith in Him.
And, regarding the word pisteuo, from biblestudytools:
Definition -
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
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of the thing believed
- to credit, have confidence
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in a moral or religious reference
- used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
- to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith 1bc) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith
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of the thing believed
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to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity
- to be intrusted with a thing
NAS Word Usage - Total: 243 believe 118, believed 73, believers 3, believes 29, believing 10, do 1, entrust 1, entrusted 6, entrusting 1, has faith 1
There are all sorts of works out there that discuss this word. Other than vines, I'm not seeing "surrendered" included in the definition anywhere. It is a greek word, with a definition just like any other. it basically means, believe. I suppose one could see it as "surrender" in as much as one could believe their brakes work, so they drive really fast, trusting that their brakes will work and surrender to the brakes as their only salvation should they need to stop fast.
So in that sense I suppose "surrender" could work.
Sorry, " surrendering to His will " is not the same as a continually surrendered life.
Vines definition of pisteuo word for word : " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."
You didn't look very hard.
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to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
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38 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
Is a “ surrendered life” a requirement for Salvation? Dr. Scott taught that the only thing one had to do was cry out as Peter did when he was sinking in the water real fast—— “Lord, save me!” Was he mistaken? According to your unique insights,please tell me——what must one do to be saved? Thanking you in advance.....
No, your mistaken !
Dr. Scott never taught that we receive the Spirit of Christ by crying out Lord save me.
I've already shown you what must be done to be saved , so simple you must have missed it.
Vines : saving Faith or pisteuo is " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."
My words : a continually surrendered life.
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40 minutes ago, Still Alive said:
Applying faith:
You can tell how much faith someone has in their brakes by how fast they drive.
Faith in the blood of Christ is knowing that, just as you can not earn your way to heaven through works, you also can not destroy your salvation through works.
But that being said, they both can have an impact on your reward on heaven as well as the things that happen to you in this human body.
Faith is what saves. And that faith is the foundation upon which one grows in Christ, being "perfected" (I prefer "improved") in Christ until they leave this body. And through knowledge of one's creator and his will for mankind and oneself, specifically, one can be perfected, always knowing that their salvation itself is assured by faith.
Read Hebrews 12, remembering that it begins with the word, "Therefore". This means it is a conclusion based on the information in Hebrews 11. Hebrews talks about the big sin. Hebrews 11 clarifies what that "big sin" is. And it does so with a dozen or more examples of what it means to NOT commit the "big sin".
Applying Faith as it relates to the most High God is defined with the Greek word pisteuo , used 248 times in the NT.
Vines Greek dictionary : " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."
" Him " being the object of Faith.
" A surrendered life " being the act of Faith.
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16 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
“ FAITHING” is nothing new.....it’s just an awkward way to say “ practicing faith”.Acting on a promise of God( check out the story of Gideon) can be called “acting on faith”, “ practicing faith” or as Dr.Scott said, “ faithing”....... take your pick.Doc liked to “ de- mystify Spiritual things.” It applies here.
Dr Gene Scott is hands down the greatest Bible teacher to ever be born into this world. In 33 years of looking for legitimate gifted teachers , he is the only one, not even another one in the same universe as him.
With that said , he taught that to recieve the Spirit of Christ, " we take a promise out of God's word, hang out bodies on it no matter what the circumstances around us look like, continually hanging on , till death if need be waking up on the other side still holding on."
A beautiful understanding, perhaps the best you'll ever hear. Unfortunately , he is wrong.
At the start of our Salvation journey as we are simply being called out by the Father , we don't have the Spirit of Christ in us yet. Therefore , Christ, His word , and the promises in His word are not ours to claim yet. So even the greatest Bible teacher ever known didn't teach what " faithing or pisteuo " are specifically and the correct way to apply it or respond to the Fathers call with saving Faith.
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2 minutes ago, Jostler said:
there truly are some very egregious misunderstandings and misinterpretations of faith He is very intent on correcting for us ...a very present operation and focus of the Spirit. So I guess we should not be surprised if the enemy tries to preempt that with a lot of confusion.
No, I won't be sharing what's on my heart in this thread. He'll reveal the truth in His way, in His time, in a way His people can see it and receive it. And it won't be in this thread. I'm confident of that.
Ya , I know. Even someone like yourself who I can tell has a heart for God will refuse to look at and recieve the truth.
The only thing I can see that's left for me to say, after 25 years of sharing the truth with anyone who will listen, not one has accepted it. Because of the rejections that must happen first, we are now fulfilling the scripture , no one will endure sound doctrine.
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11 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
With all due respect......if you have something of value that needs to be shared—- spit it out.This “Mr.Possessor of Something Magical That I Know and You Don’t” act is getting tiresome.Thank you.
I've been "spitting it out " for 25 years on every christian forum there is. Tiresome ! Understatement !
Go find it.
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4 hours ago, PromisesPromises! said:
Pardon me for interrupting a thread that I have not read in its entirely, but I think the topic is important.
I believe faith is potentially a living thing that begins as a tiny seed. God plants it in each of us before we are born. The evidence of that "seed" is that people by nature search for something or someone to have faith in. Eventually, most learn that anything of this world is flawed and unreliable. The seed of faith at that point is just sitting dormant.
Praise God for teachers! Isaiah 52:7.... "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings good news, who proclaims peace, who brings glad tidings of good things, who proclaims salvation, who says to Zion, 'Your God reigns!'" With the message of the gospel, the seed of faith springs to life! Romans 10:17.... "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." At whatever age the message is brought to the hearer, God Himself steps in: "...for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
It's at this point, I believe, that people choose different paths. God is working in us, but some of us are more stubborn than others. People whose hearts are "good soil" (as in the Parable of the Sower) cherish the seed of faith that has been planted. They gladly and openly acknowledge the Sower as LORD over the field of their heart, leaving everything else behind that might pollute this newly planted field. Then, having already purchased this field with His very own Blood, the Sower graciously and freely applies weed-killer, forgiving all past sins. Faith sprouts into a living plant with a root system.
The Holy Spirit enters and helps to guard the field and the new plant. Next begins the lifelong process of nourishing the roots of the plant with the fertilizer provided by the Sower, the inspired scripture and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Over time, the plant grows and grows, fed by the Living Word--by testimonies in the gospels, by historical accounts of God's faithfulness toward His people, by letters of encouragement and correction written by inspired men to believers, by the evidence of fulfilled prophecies, by encouragement from prophecies yet to be fulfilled, by wisdom that can be applied to everyday life, and by uplifting and inspiring poetry.
What once was just a tiny seed of faith is now LIVING and ACTIVE! Jeremiah 17:8.... "For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters, which spreads out its roots by the river, and will not fear when heat comes; but its leaf will be green, and will not be anxious in the year of drought, nor will cease from yielding fruit." The fruit is even more evidence that faith is a living thing!
Because the English language has no word to translate the Greek verb pisteuo , the verb form if Faith couldn't be communicated by the English language.
Because of this , the understanding of what Faith is and how it's fulfilled has been lost to time.
Let's look at your post.
You stated , " God plants in us a seed of Faith in us before we are born".
We aren't given a seed of Faith , the ability to faithe is what we were created to be. Every person ever born is fulfilling thousands of specific acts of faithing every day , most have nothing to do with God. Every time we perform an act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence ,that is pisteuo or faithing. We are born to be faithers!
Now let's look at the next big problem where you state hearing God's word is the object of Faith.
In short, God's word can't be the specific object of Faith , that results in recieving the Spirit of Christ. It " must " be God Himself.
At the beginning of the Salvation journey we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet, so Christ, His word , and the promises in His word are no ours to claim. Rom. 8:9 . This is where the false path or the wide path begins , and is fueled by the mistranslation of pisteuo , the words believe , believer , and believing , 248 times in the NT.
Hard to comprehend , the English translation of God's word will cause millions of called out ones to stumble , while only perfecting a few.
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2 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
“ FAITHING” is nothing new.....it’s just an awkward way to say “ practicing faith”.Acting on a promise of God( check out the story of Gideon) can be called “acting on faith”, “ practicing faith” or as Dr.Scott said, “ faithing”....... take your pick.Doc liked to “ de- mystify Spiritual things.” It applies here.
Good luck then .
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3 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
Yes....I applied it......results were very favorable......
How did you apply Faith and faithing, and what happened when you did?
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2 hours ago, Heybro said:
Dear Faither2, I don't know where you got the idea that "faithing" is a word, it isn't! just saying, blessings.
Faithing is a word in the Greek texts. It's not in the English texts.
Translation, the most important word ( for those who have been called out to follow Christ) in the ancient Greek texts , could not be translated into the English language.
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5 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
Heres a question......ever hear of a guy named Gene Scott? He had a good definition for the word “ faith”. He claimed that “ Faith is an action, based on a belief,sustained by confidence”. Does that ring a bell, Faither? I think Scott was onto something......I listened to him for many years....I hope you don’t consider me a “ swine”.... oink , oink .......lol
Swine are a people who are a proven breed.
Did you apply what you learned from Dr. Scott? What was the result?
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3 minutes ago, Jostler said:
well...how about a teaser?
I was involved with a charismatic/Word of Faith ministry for some time, and He provided a lot of foundation and growth in those years. BUT....He did have to correct a few things...and misunderstanding of faith ...misapplication of it's principles and meaning was one of those things that needed correction. The single man I'd identify as most influential in my development was the Pastor of that ministry....and a true man of God. But no earthly father is spiritual, including those that He appoints as spiritual fathers in significant ways.
I discovered faith is not what 90% of the Body in the west believes it is, and I see the misunderstandings all over the place since having been corrected myself.
But this is your thread....so drive on bro
You've got my attention. I too also had one teacher in my path that played a part in a correct understanding of Faith and faithing. But the real teaching really comes from having the real born again experience.
Would you be willing to share your understanding of Faith and faithing from the very start of the Salvation journey? Your words ? What is Faith and faithing, and how is it applied to recieve the Spirit of Christ?
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3 hours ago, Jostler said:
well fill me in
Give me a reason to! Ask the right question!
I've been casting my pearls in front of swine for 30 years. And what Christ warns us of has happened over and over. My pearls are trampled, and then I'm trampled.
I'm just not doing that anymore. So your going to have to get my attention somehow !
You made a good observation about Faith, when I said you have no idea, that was me agreeing with your post. Maybe we should just leave it there?
If you can't leave it there, show me your at least a swine that doesn't want to be in the wallow anymore.
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2 hours ago, simplejeff said:
The ancient Jews did not think of faith as something to "apply". They did not try to box in faith with a definition, nor should they have, nor should we today.
When Yahweh spoke, through the prophets, they either listened and obeyed or they rebelled ....
Today, if you hear Jesus' Voice, follow Him and do not rebel like they did in the wilderness and perished. That's pretty much it , isn't it? To live, or not to live, that is the question.
Oh, and as for receiving anything from the Father in heaven - as written: no man can receive anything (nor understand anything), unless it is granted from the Father in heaven.
Sheer grace, unearned, unmerited, as written.
Spiritual things can't be put in a box. But when we attempt to define such spiritual things such as " Faith and faithing" , because of our limited frame of reference, they do tend to fall into a box like representation.
Maybe if the " ancient Jews" would have looked at what Faith and faithing looked like in more depth, they wouldn't have been told by the Father," you will never enter my rest ".
Todays " christian " will ultimately be told the same thing , if they don't wake up!.
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3 hours ago, Jostler said:
i think it's common for many to think of faith and belief as synonyms. But despite the similarities in common use, Biblically they are different and distinct. And there's a world of revelation in the difference.
You have no idea!
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I've asked a simple question about what our first act of Faith is to answer the call of the Father, at the start of our. salvation journey.
I've got no answers so I must be the only one interested in this topic. Sorry for wasting your time.
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10 hours ago, Adstar said:
I am not interested i modern translations of ancient Greek.. As far as i am concerned those who use modern lexicons to undermine the Bible and state that English Bibles are all false translations are only seeking to undermine the Word of God in the hearts of English speaking Christians so that they can promote false un - biblical doctrines..
People who hate the Message of the Bible will always seek ways to undermine it's authority...
We don't need to discover any new truths, we need to rediscover the old truths!
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7 minutes ago, FresnoJoe said:
Remembering
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, Titus 2:11 (World English Bible)
The Call
I am Jesus! And I am the one who sent my angel to tell all of you these things for the churches.
I am David's Great Descendant, and I am also the bright morning star.
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!”
Everyone who hears this should say, “Come!”
If you are thirsty, come!
If you want life-giving water, come and take it. It's free! Revelation 22:16-17 (Contemporary English Version)
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Love, Your Brother Joe
What is Faith?
And how is it fulfilled specifically in relation to Christ?
A different way to ask the same question.
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Walking Past Drug Addiction
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I feel your pain, that was my life 33 years ago.
You sound like your on some of the right track. You don't know how right you are about the twelve steps being Christianity in disguise. If I can be of any help, I qualify to do so.