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Sharnadeen

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  1. Ok not to stray from my root point. I don't believe Pastors 'need' a gun because unless his battles are won in the spirit by the Lord and His angels it cannot be won in the flesh and therefore a physical weapon would be ineffective after the fact. You believe that Pastors need a gun and that's fine. We both share different views and I guess we'll both hold on to these views.
  2. Not to stray from my root point. I don't believe Pastors 'need' a gun because unless his battles are won in the spirit by the Lord and His angels it cannot be won in the flesh and therefore a physical weapon would be ineffective after the fact. You believe that Pastors need a gun and that's fine. We both share different views and I guess we'll both hold on to these views.
  3. I don't believe Pastors 'need' a gun because unless his battles are won in the spirit by the Lord and His angels it cannot be won in the flesh and therefore a physical weapon would be ineffective after the fact. You believe that Pastors need a gun and that's fine. We both share different views and I guess we'll both hold on to these views.
  4. Ok not to stray from my root point. I don't believe Pastors 'need' a gun because unless his battles are won in the spirit by the Lord and His angels it cannot be won in the flesh and therefore a physical weapon would be ineffective after the fact. You believe that Pastors need a gun and that's fine. We both share different views and I guess we'll both hold on to these views.
  5. The short answer to your question is No; But my main point is that the weapon that he needs to fight against an attack or to prevent it in the first place is not of the flesh but of the spirit. The Father could also bring the misfortune on him but in either case a physical weapon is futile in any battle if he doesn't pray first and foremost.
  6. The Almighty gave us the spiritual tools that we need. Man made the physical ones....His words reassures me that I don't need the manmade tools....and yes I am aware that it is He who gave us the knowledge to make them in the first place but it is usually a person who does not walk in authority and power of the Holy Spirit who feels a need to use these weapons. Our weapons are not in the flesh....seriously....
  7. My exact words were 'it is highly possible' so Im not concluding that he didn't pray. If a pastor has reached his life limit according to the number of his days that were written by God then praying probably wouldn't work unless the Lord extends his time like king Hezekiah. But as you may be aware, numerous persons are victims of premature death and prayer is the most effective weapon for fighting against premature death, not a gun or any other physical weapon.
  8. The Almighty has the power to stop a trigger from going off which would make having a gun futile in that moment. At the end of the day, the real enemy is in the spirit and the battle with Him can be fought even days before the event or confrontation takes place. The Lord told us in the bible what we need to do to receive His favor. Praying is one of them. Every battle that we are faced with in the flesh, can be fought in the spirit beforehand. Our God is very reasonable, when He sees danger ahead He usually shows it to us or reveals it to someone on our behalf so that we can pray against whatever danger the enemy has planned ahead. Being a Christian does not guarantee immediate protection but meeting the Lord's conditions that are listed in the bible, together with prayer does guarantee protection.
  9. I used the word afraid which speaks to fear. Why would anyone carry a gun if they have 'no fear'? That just doesn't make any sense. Fear has to be involved, it may not be extreme to the point of death but whatever it is that is being 'protected' by the gun is what the person is 'fearful' to lose on the flipside. Think about it...
  10. You can have a firearm and the powers of the spirit prevent it from going off as you have planned. Bottomline, if the powers of the spirit have the final say in all things, why not just leave it up to God to be your personal body guard by making intercessions?
  11. If our battles are won in the spirit first, then there will be no need to fight it in the flesh and even if we are put to the test, the Lord promises to deliver. We must understand that there are conditions that we must meet when it comes to getting favor from the Lord; He tells us to pray, to keep His commandments, to repent etc...Prayer is most important. Again, the battle has to be won in the realm of the Spirit first and if that is done, chances are that the person who prayed would not be severely injured if injured at all.
  12. Ok I appreciate your view on the subject. But I must say that any leader or Shepherd who doesn't practice what he preaches makes the word of God futile. I don't need a gun because when I pray I know that I am covered unless the Word of God is a lie. Prayer is key - Just because someone is a Pastor means that he is protected. Unless we or someone stand in the gap for us then we may be victims of premature death.
  13. Ok just to clarify, I said the Lord's Angels will suffice. The Lord's angels operate when we give them something to work with, and that it through prayer. Having faith without praying is futile. It is possible for an Apostle, Pastor and any leader to be armed if He does not Pray. So as it relates to your argument regarding Apostles being gunned down, it is highly possible that they did not cover themselves prior to the attack. The title that anyone wears in the body of Christ, does not guarantee one's protection. But prayer does...always....and in that way the Lord's angels do suffice.
  14. My point exactly Warrior12. If the Shepherd is afraid, what does he expect the sheep to do?
  15. Hmmm, was Jesus referring to 'sword' as a physical weapon?
  16. I considered the Pastors seeing that they are in charge of church assets, and so on. In light of them teaching us to use faith (Our Shepherds), what is your reaction to them carrying guns?
  17. Yowm, that was actually my next question...so I think you know what my answer is...lol
  18. I don't believe Pastors need a gun because the Lord's angels can suffice. What are your thoughts and why?
  19. Exactly...by the way I stand corrected to the word 'order' rather than 'hierarchy' :).
  20. SanJ, I've learnt that the Holy Spirit is God, Christ is God and God is God and so when we say 'God alone is worthy' we refer to all three. But where the hierarchy exists in the Godhead is the fact that we Christians have to go through a channel in getting to know God the Father; we first have to know the person of the Holy Spirit who will in turn teach us about the personality of Jesus who in turn teaches about the personality of God the Father. Now that Jesus has returned to the Father, the person who reveals or makes Jesus clearer to us is the Holy Spirit. This is the reason my short answer to the question is that the Holy Spirit functions as the Person who 'glorifies' or reveals Jesus to us. I believe that our ultimate goal as Christians is to know God the Father and the way to knowing Him is by revelation from Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is safe to say that all three have their unique personalities otherwise both Jesus and the Father would not need to come to us like Jesus promised in John 14:23. If they both have the exact 'personality' then I would think that the Father could save Himself that time by sending Jesus alone to make a home with us.
  21. The Holy Spirit 'glorifies' Jesus... By this I mean praising and worshiping....and worshiping is to give worth to someone. Notice that throughout the book of John, Jesus does not give worth to Himself but gives worth to the Father and the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit causes us to remember everything Jesus has said John 14:26 and so on.... He is in other words giving 'worth' to Jesus. By teaching about Jesus the Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus. In everything that the Holy Spirit does, He brings glory to Jesus our King which is why persons like myself believe that the Holy Spirit 'glorifies' Jesus. I am open to learning more about this StanJ...
  22. Walter & Deborah, The Holy Spirit's primary role is to 'glorify Jesus'. This role includes bringing back the things that Jesus spoke when he was here to memory John 14:26. When the Holy Spirit teaches, He teaches us about the person of Jesus and Jesus said that He [the Holy Spirit] will not speak on His own authority. In other words, His primary role is to glorify the person above Him in the Godhead, and that person is Jesus.
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