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  1. The matter is one: The return of Christ and the rapture are one event - but come to "each in his own order." In other words: 1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive." ...Therefore, just as all men did not die in one event, but "each in his own order", "so [also] in Christ all shall be made alive." So...it is true that all are counted dead or alive as one as in one event, but also each in his own order during the times of the world. Thus the "chronology" is only correct if spoken in context, whether timeless as one and with God, or each in his own order as in the world. Meaning...that if you are going to speak in terms of the chronology of events in the world, in order to be correct, the events must be spoken of as "each in his own order" and not as one event. On the other hand, if we are to speak in terms of the greater timeless truth of God (and not that of the world), we must consider all things as we have been told is the greater truth: that these things which we experience day to day as "each in his own order" were [actually] "before the foundation of the world." Only in this way do we "rightly divide the word of truth"...for we know what we experience in the world, but we also know that only God is true. So, as "all truth" comes to men, "the renewing of our mind" is that we come to know all things in Gods [timeless] terms, as increasing, but decreasing in terms according to what we experience in the world. Therefore, if you wish to clarify a word from God...the whole idea of a chronological order of events is akin to an evil generation seeking a sign, and should not even be considered serving God, but rather as serving the world. So, if you wish to serve God, explain worldly things as "each in his own order." But if you wish to explain things according to God, explain them then as one event - not during the history of the world, but "before the foundation of the world." For this is how the Lord spoke. And if you cannot do this, or do not understand - do not speak, but listen.
  2. You have not reconciled the two passages. They are given by Paul to two different groups, but are the same word from God. Both passages pertain to the so called rapture of the church...and that is the subject of discussion. You should be putting the two passages together. But because you put asunder, you error.
  3. That does not reconcile with: 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
  4. No, not at all. There is no racism, only hate and insecurity. Race is just an excuse used as a weapon when there is really nothing else. Be honest as a child. In fact, a better super hero would be a child whose character is bigger than life - super.
  5. The Sense Jesus’s disciples asked him what would be the sign of his second coming and the end of the age. He responded with a sermon we call the Olivet Discourse. This passage is about what will happen to Jerusalem at the Midpoint (half way point) of Daniel’s 70th Week. This brings up the first misunderstanding that many commentators have about the passage; that it refers to AD 70 and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and not to the future 70th Week of Daniel. Because the events pictured in the passage are similar to events in AD 70, these commentators believe it refers to that time. In doing so, they miss an incredibly important verse, “so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.” All of prophecy wasn’t fulfilled in AD 70 so Jesus could not be exclusively talking about that period. The passage must refer to the 70th Week which is yet future. That is when all that is written is fulfilled. Part of the reason many commentators don’t want to believe this refers to the future is what the passage says about Jerusalem, “they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all nations.” No one wants to imagine another holocaust, yet this is what the passage is picturing. But, regardless of whether we like it or not, we must remain true to God’s Word; it says a second holocaust is coming. Knowing that the passage does not refer to AD 70 changes our opinion of what the phrase “Times of the Gentiles” means as well. If the entire passage was talking about AD 70, when Jesus said, “Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled,” this would imply that these “times” would extend from the trampling in AD 70 until today. Now that we know that Luke 21: 20-24 is about the future, this theory (that the Times of the Gentiles is from AD 70 till Jesus returns) loses a lot of its validity. Let’s trace what the passage says. We first see that Jerusalem will be made “desolate.” It’s people will be killed and sent to concentration camps in other nations. The passage then further states that during “those days,” the Gentiles will trample Jerusalem. The passage doesn’t say that Jerusalem has continually been trampled, it says that during “those days” (during this invasion at the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th Week) the Gentiles will trample the city. The Reference Now that we know the “sense” of the passage, let’s see if we can find further clues as to the meaning from reference passages. The primary references to these verses are found in Daniel: Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city . . . to seal up vision and prophecy . . . (Dan. 9: 24 NASB) These are days of vengeance (Gk: EKDIKESEOS, meaning “justice or avenging”), so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. (Luke 21: 22 NASB) This first reference implies the Jesus is explaining Daniel’s prophecy about the 70 Shabua. The second does as well: The people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (Dan. 9: 26 NASB) But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. (Luke 21: 20 NASB) You are probably saying “wait a minute, Daniel 9: 26 is talking about AD 70.” Really? Are we making the same mistake commentators previously made about Luke 21: 20-24? The first 69 weeks (Shabua) of this vision END with Jesus’s death. The destruction of the Temple in AD 70 is 40 years outside of Daniel’s 70 weeks, so how can verse 26 be part of the prophecy which is about the 70 weeks? I believe verse 26 is speaking of the destruction yet to come. This is another parallel showing Jesus is explaining the 70 weeks in Luke 21: 20-24. In the middle of the week (70th Week) he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate. (Dan. 9: 27 NASB) We have already stated that Luke 21: 20-24 shows what happens at the Midpoint of Daniel’s 70th Week. This confirms the timing. Until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate. (Dan. 9: 27 NASB) Until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21: 24) The perfect parallelism continues through the end of both passages. So now we know the end point of the Times of the Gentiles, it is the return of Christ and the destruction of the Antichrist. What is the link between these two things? They (the saints) will be given into his (the Antichrist’s) hand for a time, times, and half a time. But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyedforever. (Dan. 7: 25-26 NASB) This is the linking verse that I think Jesus had in mind. “Times” and “destruction ” both appear in this one passage. So are the “Times of the Gentiles” the same as “time, times, and half a time?” Yes, I believe they are. Is there more proof? Yes, there is: Jerusalem will be trampled (Gk: PATEO) under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21: 24 NASB) It has been given to the nations; and they will tread (Gk: PATEO)under foot the holy city for forty-two months. (Rev. 11:3 NASB) This is the next reference. We can see that the trampling of Jerusalem is 42 months. We already know that “time, times, and half a time” is 1260 days, 3 1/2 year or 42 months. We have a match. We can now say with fair certainity that the “Times of the Gentiles” is equal to the last half of Daniel’s 70th Week (42 months) and not the time from the Babylonian invasion and not the time since AD 70 as is so frequently taught. Times What did Jesus mean by “times” when he used this word? We have already seen that the Greek word translated “times” is KAIRON meaning “appointed times.” In the Hebrew this word is MO’EDIM which also can mean “Feasts of the Lord.” Could Jesus have been talking about the Feasts of the Lord? Since we know each “time” is a year, was Jesus talking about a cycle of all 7 Feasts that take a year to complete? It is very likely. We also know that the primary fulfillment of the first four Feasts have already taken place. Three more Feasts (Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, and Tabernacles) still remain to be fulfilled. It is incredibly likely they will be fulfilled during the 70th Week of Daniel. So when Jesus referred to the “Times” of the Gentiles was he also referring to Feasts of the Lord that will be fulfilled when the Gentiles are in control of Jerusalem? He may have been. The “fullness of the Gentiles” is for believers.................... “Times of the Gentiles” is about unbelievers. by Nelson Walters..... Gospel in the end times.Com ( so who is Nelson Walters.......here is a clip from his bio...... "Sometimes I believe God chooses the most unlikely person you can imagine to do His work, someone totally un-gifted by nature. Into that person he pours his spiritual gifts so that there is absolutely no question that the work is of God. This website and my books are an example of that principle, and I am the one totally un-gifted by nature. At the time I began this process, I had never written a book, created a website, or prepared a piece of prose in my life. When God gave me the vision that I needed to assist in awakening the church, I felt like Moses before the burning bush – totally unworthy of the task ahead. Fortunately, He is worthy. He has provided everything I needed, from the revelations of scripture to advisers with the technical skills necessary to present my material. Praise to you Lord, Jesus! ..................... "I was willing to be used." ... That is sooooo wordy! If this is any example of how people think, no wonder the simple truth has evaded men for centuries. The times of the nations...simply come after those who came "first" - Israel My chosen. "But many that are first shall be last, and the last shall be first." Which time came, when Jesus said, "It is finished."
  6. God's word would not be limited to anything other than whether or not it was inspired or given by God. If it were even possible, there may be a weak case against the epistles, but not for the gospels or the book of Revelation. There also needs to be consideration given to the time when God's law is written on our hearts. In other words, placing a limit on God to only speak through His word written on tablets, would in fact violate the unforgivable sin of denying the Holy Spirit. As for the ceremonial law vs. the ten commandments - all are fulfilled in Christ, for He said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
  7. Welcome Tatoh! If you have not asked this of God, ask, and it shall be given to you.
  8. Tell me then, in which of the parables that Jesus spoke is the object of the parable also the subject?
  9. So says the wordsmiths and dictionaries. But there is no there there. We are not talking about travel. Though the kingdom of heaven is considered to be "above", and God is "higher", these are only metaphors. The same is true of the word rapture, it is a metaphor for the experience one has in going from this world into the presence of God.
  10. That is a long-winded article just to determine how close one is to leaving this world! You see, the word "rapture" is just a word for describing the euphoria associated with leaving the flesh and entering the spiritual kingdom of God. The apostle Paul explains that we do that "each in his own order" - which makes sense, right? Because people die and go to meet their Maker every day. He also explained for those of us who experience that euphoria before death...i.e., "we who are alive and remain", that for us: "to live is Christ, and to die is gain." In which case, that euphoria is the rush of His quickening us in the power of the Holy Spirit to do good works, and the complete change that occurs within us becoming a ["born again of the Spirit of God"] "new creation."
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    Tithing

    You will hear mix messages on tithing and giving to the church and other ministries. Blood Bought is right, nothing is expected. It's totally up to you. The reality is, things cost money, and if we all throw in on the cause of spreading the good news of what Jesus Christ has done for a suffering world, we can help and see an impact. But most congregations would tell you that if you don't have anything to give, they would like to help you and turn that around and give to you, instead of you giving to the church. It's kind of like what friends and family do when people are in need...and that is kind of the way most churches go about operating like a business to keep the doors open and provide a service for the community. But given a choice, most would rather give than receive. And if you will just come as you are, just show up, the day will likely come when you will feel the same way too and want to give when you can.
  12. It is important to understand just what the world is. Everything in the world is a manifestation or a "created" "image" of what is on high. Our reality is not God's reality. We are born into a mere "image" in the mind of God, that has yet become real, but is more like a thought. Scripture tells us that this would-be unreality is what "is written" in "books" kept by God. And it is only when they are opened at the end of time that things become real in the only real reality, which is the reality of God. As an image, we can imagine that rather than a book, it is more like a movie. So, if you can imagine, when the movie is over, the lights simply go out - the life of the movie characters is over: The End. That is, except for the offer of eternal life from God given to all who believe in Him, which we attain by receiving His Son, Jesus Christ. So the life we experience in the world is a gift given to all, but eternal life is only given to those who choose to be received of God. Both are a gift.
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    Oy Vey?

    I'm not sure. Those were his words.
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