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About daughterofGrace

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    Ontario, Canada
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    Reading -- fiction (mysteries), non-fiction (theology, history, biography), poetry;
    Music -- I play the trumpet and piano;
    Baseball -- I'm a Toronto Blue Jays' fan
  1. Beautiful Bride by Paul Wilbur

    Yup! I think you've got it right, Kwik. We, the church, are the bride of Christ and he will return for his bride at some point. In the meantime, when the devil would seek to condemn me, I am reminded by this song that I have been redeemed from the night and belong to Jesus. I've never studied Hebrew. It seems like a daunting language!
  2. a lesson from church history

    Hi, JM! This is what I wrote: This is why, as Judas Machabeus rightly pointed out, the Mormons are shoveling a boatload of hooey (my words, not his!) when they say the church was totally lost. It never was. God did indeed preserve it and he did it with men and women from a variety of backgrounds in a variety of situations in a variety of different places at a variety of different times. And we should be grateful to all of them. I don't see how you thought I was saying that the Holy Spirit had abandoned the entire church when I actually said the exact opposite. And I don't see how you thought I said the church fell into total corruption when, again, I said the opposite. There has never been a time in history when there were not internal problems in the church with people getting off-track. Nor was there ever a time in history when the church was totally lost. You're putting words in my mouth, words I did not say. My post is there for you to re-read in full so that you can see what I really did say. The people who helped keep the faith in the church are many. They include people like Athanasius, the Cappodician Fathers, and Tertullian who all played a part in fighting off attacks against the Trinity (although Tertullian himself did stray when he joined the Montanists late in life). There is Theodore of Mopsuestia who faced off against those who were trying to interpret the Bible only as allegory with nothing literal in it. There was Jerome who translated the Bible into Latin and was one of Christianity's earliest apologists. And of course there's Augustine -- I surely don't have to tell you how he blessed the church. And those are only a few. There are many more, but I do not have time to list them all along with how they helped preserve the Gospel of Jesus Christ down through the centuries. Here's the thing: As a Protestant, my church history doesn't begin with Luther, Calvin and Zwingli. It begins in the New Testament and my heritage includes all the same people that the RCC include in their church history. I don't have time to go into great detail about Constantine right now. However, I repeat -- he made Christianity the imperial religion. That is a historical fact, one I learned in both my History of Theology course as well as my History of the Christian Church at Seminary. The three sources I quoted are respected scholars and their texts are widely-used. Noll was, at one point, the Francis A. McAnaney Professor of History at the University of Notre Dame. I don't use bogus sources. It is possible for me to misunderstand things, but I haven't misunderstood Constantine's action re: the Christian church. I am willing to engage you further in this discussion, but if you are going to misinterpret what I say and simply deny that what I have said isn't true without providing reliable sources for your own statements, then I don't see a lot of future in continuing.
  3. Here in Canada there's a woman lobbying to have neither male nor female on her birth certificate. She wants it to read "other". And she doesn't want the pronouns "he" or "she" used. She wants "they" and "them" used when people refer to her. But, given that those words are for pluralities, that doesn't make a lot of sense. But then, sense really has nothing to do with it, does it? I consider this whole transgender business a matter of the emperor having no clothes. Everybody knows it's crazy, but people are afraid to say so. I listened to an interview with a man who always felt that he should have been a woman. So, at age 42, he left his wife and children and "became" a woman. But he found out that he wasn't any happier living as a woman than he had been living as a man. He ended up going for therapy and discovered that he had mental health issues. When he dealt with them successfully, he was happy just as he was born, that is, as a man. He said that 85 per cent of transgender people have mental health issues which, if resolved, will settle their unease with their gender as well. To me, the saddest thing is that, because society has decided to accept the way they feel as legitimate, they will never get the help they need to be the men and women God created them to be. And those of us who refuse to accept transgenderism get called hateful bigots. It all must make the devil so happy.
  4. Planet Shakers - Dance Praise His Name

    That song just makes me want to bounce all around the room in joy and celebration. Great stuff! Thanks for posting it. I had never heard it before. I will definitely be playing it again -- and again and again and again and again . . . .
  5. Beautiful Bride by Paul Wilbur

    Paul Wilbur is one of my favourite worship leaders. Beautiful Bride tells me who I am in Christ even on my worst days! There is such joy in that.
  6. Go Light Your World by Chris Rice

    If I had to choose a song as a theme for life, I would choose this one:
  7. Writing

    I used to make my living as a writer -- writing for and editing magazines, working in corporate communications, etc. I also taught writing at the college level. I stopped for health reasons. Now I do some editing and critiquing for other writers. I have written some poems and short stories as well as a couple of screenplays and stage plays just for fun. Lately, I have been working on a couple of children's novels. Unfortunately, I'm great at starting projects, but not so great at finishing them. So I have a whole bunch of works in progress.
  8. a lesson from church history

    I have some further thoughts on Constantine and the effects of making Christianity the imperial religion. Scholars debate whether Constantine really was a Christian or not. He certainly didn't behave like one when he had members of his family executed. I have read that he replaced Passover with Easter because he was anti-Jewish and that he promoted the incorporation of pagan practices in the Christian church to appease those subjects who weren't Christian. My apologies to you, Judas Machabeus, because I can't remember where I read that. I appreciate the fact that you want reliable sources. I'm that way, too. I like to assess sources because some aren't as reputable as others. So I went to a book entitled Turning Points: Decisive Moments in the History of Christianity by Mark Noll to see what I could find out from him about all of this. He notes that, for the first three centuries, the church was a "pilgrim community". He elaborates on this, saying that the church "was not at home anywhere in the world since the power of the state could be turned at any moment, propel them into exile, or disrupt the regular order of worship and Christian service." When Constantine made Christianity the official religion, this changed. The church now had stability and could spread far and wide promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ without fear of persecution. That was one of the blessings that came with Constantine's declaration. But there is always the bad with the good. Noll purports that we had the beginning of the intermingling of state and church here because Constantine was so involved with the church and the result was that "the sphere of worldly concerns he stood for gradually assumed greater and greater importance in the church". As that happened, the church strayed further and further away from its Biblical foundations. But that has always been true of God's followers. How many times did the Israelites stray from God in the Old Testament times? Paul's letters to the early churches involved correction because they were going astray -- and this only a matter of decades after Christ's death and resurrection. Straying seems to be part and parcel of the church in any era. But the Lord always made sure there was a remnant, that is, a group of devoted followers who kept the faith so that it was never lost no matter what happened down through the centuries. This is why, as Judas Machabeus rightly pointed out, the Mormons are shoveling a boatload of hooey (my words, not his!) when they say the church was totally lost. It never was. God did indeed preserve it and he did it with men and women from a variety of backgrounds in a variety of situations in a variety of different places at a variety of different times. And we should be grateful to all of them.
  9. a lesson from church history

    It is true that, when Constantine made Christianity the official religion, pagans joined the Christian ranks. Roger E. Olson in his The Story of Christian Theology puts it this way: "Hordes of unconverted pagans flooded into Christian churches merely to gain status in the eyes of the imperial court and the bureaucracy under Constantine" (p. 139). This meant that some Christians regarded the new imperial church as apostate. Some took to the desert to live a life of "meditation and asceticism" to use the words of Justo Gonzalez in his History of Christianity (p. 124). But others stayed to fight against anything brought into the church that didn't line up with the Bible. Gonzalez suggests that the biggest change that came in the wake of Constantine's declaration of Christianity as the official religion (apart from the end of persecution) was in the area of worship. Whereas people had met primarily in houses, now churches were being built. Incense, which was used as a sign of respect for the emperor, was now used in churches. Those in positions of ministry had always worn everyday clothes, but now they started to wear more luxurious garments. Services were now started with processionals. Choirs were formed. And, gradually, congregation members took less and less part in the services. Churches were often built at the site of a martyr's grave. If a church was built where there was no grave, they would dig up a martyr and bring his or her bones to the church to reside there. Eventually, some people saw miraculous powers in these bones and the introduction of relics began. And the churches became larger and more ornate as time went on. All of this came in the aftermath of Constantine declaring Christianity to be a state religion and these changes represented, in some respects, a copying of the way emperors did things in a grand style. Perhaps the worst thing that came of it all was this: People started to think that one only had to be a member of the church and follow its rules to be saved. It's an erroneous belief that we can find down through the centuries in a variety of churches. For example, 19th-century philosopher Soren Kierkegaard, attacked the Church of Denmark (Protestant) for just that reason, calling for a relationship with Jesus to be at the centre of the Christian life, not membership in a sterile institution that paid no attention to the Lord.
  10. Thanks for those clarifications, Savedonebygrace. I appreciate it. I'm sorry about the tremors. Must be so frustrating for you. I have to spend limited time keyboarding because of chronic pain in neck, back, wrists and hands. So I can empathize. I have not had the experience with proponents of the prosperity gospel that you have and don't feel qualified to comment about that. However, I do speak in tongues. Years ago, when I was reading about the gifts of the Spirit, I asked God specifically about tongues, whether it was something I needed or not. Then, one night, at a service, I was praying and suddenly I started praying in tongues. It's a prayer language. I have never uttered tongues out loud during a service. I can understand some people's skepticism about them and they can certainly be abused. Paul had to correct the church at Corinth for the chaos tongues was causing. And I have a problem with any church that says a person HAS to speak in tongues as a witness that he/she is truly filled with the Holy Spirit. Paul makes it clear that gifts of the Spirit are apportioned as the Spirit sees fit. That means we aren't all going to manifest all of them all the time. The Holy Spirit will empower us to use them for his purpose, not ours. I have known many fine born-again believers who never spoke in tongues. Not sure if that's the kind of information you were looking for, but there it is.
  11. No baseball fans here?

    You must be thrilled that the Cardinals snatched Dexter Fowler from the Cubs. He's a pretty good ballplayer.
  12. Just a couple of questions to clarify things for me, please: How are you defining a cult? Why have you grouped the prosperity gospel and speaking in tongues together? Do you see them as necessarily going hand-in-hand? Or are they separate issues that you consider characteristics of a cult? Thanks in advance for your responses.
  13. What are you reading

    Yes, I'm grateful that my local public library offers so many Christian novels. I wish it had more non-fiction Christian books, however. Sometimes, if there's a Christian non-fiction book that I want to read and it's one that I think the general public might enjoy, I request that the library purchase it. And very often, they do. They have purchased a number of the apologetics books I have asked for -- Christian Apologetics by Douglas Groothuis and Seven Days that Divide the World by John Lennox for example. And then I pray that patrons, both Christian and non-Christian, use them and learn from them.
  14. In Memory Of

    That's so true. My father was a pilot in the Royal Canadian Air Force during the Second World War. I am so grateful he came home because, if he hadn't, I wouldn't be here! When fallen Canadian soldiers are repatriated, they are taken in a procession from the Canadian Forces Base at Trenton, Ontario, to the coroner's office in Toronto. The stretch of the road they follow is called Highway of Heroes. People gather on the overpasses to pay tribute to them as they go by. I don't know as it was ever an intentional plan for people to pay their respects that way. I think it just happened when a few people started to do it and then, over the years, others joined in. Now it's a tradition, one that I find very moving.
  15. What are you reading

    I haven't read any of Dee Henderson's work. But I like suspense novels so I will check her out. Thanks for the heads-up, missmuffet! I have recently been reading historical novels by Lynn Austin -- also a Christian. There is real substance to them with a strong Christian message that isn't preachy or sappy or unbelievable. She presents real characters with real problems -- and everything doesn't always work out perfectly for everybody. I hate Christian novels where everybody gets what they want. That just isn't real life -- not mine anyway!