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    Fall away Christian (ICOC)

    The ICOC is a bullying cult which teaches a false gospel, your leaving them is a blessing and an opportunity to now place Christ (not some discipler) as your head and covering for sin. I myself was once Oneness way back in the late 1980's, Oneness (Apostolic movement / Jesus only) have similar beliefs on baptism and shepharding to the ICOC. If you are interested I run Christian Comedy Channel on Youtube, where I've debated people holding to some similar beleifs to the ICOC. thanks
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    The Holy Trinity?

    I am interested in your claim that the Holy Spirit is a force, would you please explain four verses to me. Firstly, at Acts 13:2 the Holy Spirit can speak and say "I" (first person singular). Please explain how a mere force can do this, only persons can say "I." Secondly, the Holy Spirit can be grieved (Isaiah 63:10), but can a force such as electricity be grieved? Thirdly, the Holy Spirit can love (Romans 15:30), but can a force such as electricity love someone other than him or herself? Finally, the Holy Spirit is called "He" seven times at John 16:13-14, why? And why doesn't the text refer to the Holy Spirit as "it?"
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    The Holy Trinity?

    Shiloh357 again uses the term "separate" see the first line: "We have the Holy Spirit separate from God the Father hovering over the face of the deep in Gen. 1:2." This is completely unbiblical and contrary to all of the ancient creeds and doctrinal statements of faith, which all teach that the Holy Spirit is DISTINCT from the Father (not separate). It was my coming to the realisation in 2010 that the vast majority of evangelical church leaders in my part of the UK, within churches which call themselves Trinitarian, are in reality functionally really just modalists or tritheists who call themselves (inaccurately) Trinitarians, which caused me to leave organised religion, that plus the inability to accurately define and preach the gospel and the widespread fornication and sexual sin by so many church leaders in my part of the UK, all of which is simply covered up by these and other church leaders.
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    The Holy Trinity?

    Your definition of the Trinity in the first line of your conclusion as "three separate persons" is actually Tritheism, the creeds all define the persons are distinct and NOT separate (see the 4th point of the Athanasian creed). But you make my point, evangelicalism today is aggressively anti-Trinitarian. Many evangelical Churches will claim to be Trinitarian, and might even have a fairly decent Trinitarian doctrinal statement of faith up on their web site, but in practice as shiloh357 has demonstrated, when you speak to these people, they cannot define the Trinity accurately and always seem to end up misdefining the Trinity as tri-theism as Shiloh357 has done, or else the other popular misdefinion of the Trinity is as modalism.
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    The Holy Trinity?

    The first and most important thing, isn't to offer proofs for the Trinity, but to accurately and fairly define what the Trinity is according to the ancient creeds and doctrinal statements such as the Westminster Confession of faith, only then is the Trinity to be examined in the light of scripture. Sadly, I've come across very few evangelicals in my part of the UK (Plymouth Devon) who are genuine Trinitarians, many people who attend so-called "Trinitarian" churches, whom I've spoken to, are actually modalists who've told me that Jesus is God the Father, or else they are tri-theists (God is three separate Gods or 2 separate persons denying the 4th point of the Athanasian creed), another popular belief within evangelicalism today is Apollinarianism - which is the false claim that Christ only possessed (and still possesses) one single spirit (not two). I left the church in 2010 and the Trinity was a huge factor in my decision to turn my back on what calls itself evangelical Christianity.
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    You didn't, I was referring to my own experiences here in the UK where any evangelical Church members with a Trinitarian doctrinal statement of faith on their website, when asked, will often misdefine the Trinity as either three separate gods / three spirits or else as Jesus being God the Father.
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    The word for "greater" at John 14:28 is mezion and it means ranks / position / status. It does not mean better than which would be the world "plion" as in "behold a greater (PLION) than Jonah is here." (Matthew 12:41).
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    Great post, however, you assume that Trinitarian Churches (such as Baptist, Assemblies of God, and Elim Pentecostal) are Trinitarian and are therefore preaching the true gospel, just because such groups often put a Biblically accurate Trinitarian doctrinal statement of faith up onto their web site and into their Church doctrinal statement of faith. I live in Plymouth in the UK, and whatever the situation is the US, or in Asia or South America, here in the UK, many people who attend evangelical type churches are modalists who have affirmed to be over and over again that Jesus is God the Father, or else many are tri-theists. I left Church in 2010, and I no longer attend anywhere, partly due to the numerous sexual scandals which I had discovered within several local fellowships, but even more so because of the constant anti-Trinitarianism within so many nominally Trinitarian Churches (I also encountered Apollinarianism and Tri-theism frequently). So I no longer regard most church people as genuine and true Christians, some are of course, but I have encountered such hatred, such viciousness, and such spitefulness from so-called evangelical Christians, that I would personally believe that very little of it is genuinely of God. I also see people 5 to 10 years down the road after they've left their church experience, and the number of lives which I've seen destroyed by these religious people is astounding. Several people, not just myself, recall incidents of themselves as lay people, discovering fornication by Church leaders and when the matter is raised, they the lay people, are either thrown out of the church, or else they are made so uncomfortable that the constant cold-shoulder and backbiting within fellowships, drives them out. I see more love, more mercy, more kindness in some atheists and skeptics than I see in many church attending evangelical Christians. Thank goodness I'm out of it and now I follow Christ, and Christ alone, rather than some corrupt preacher who is too ignorant even to know what the Trinity is.
  9. Thank you, I've decided to continue to just audio record these people and not video tape them. The focus is entirely doctrinal and not personal opinions or preferences, likes or dislikes. As I speak I am rendering the 23rd video which is the longest at 50+ minutes, with a JW who is particularly sharp and has been in the "truth" since 1971 and he is very knowledgeable. The topic is my trying to prove that the first and the last of Isaiah 44:24 (who is Jehovah) is Jesus of Revelation 1:17-18. The series will be uploaded to a Youtube channel called: Exposing the Wolves.
  10. Most people in the UPCI cannot define what the Trinity even is frankly few evangelicals can either, so the issue comes down to are you in my little group or in some other little group, as salvation is associated with being in my silly little group (a non-Biblical concept as true Biblical salvation isn't down to or related to attending some building or religious fellowship).
  11. Some of them used to believe this, way back in the third and fourth centuries. However modern oneness has no difficulty explaining the baptism of Jesus and other similar passages as simultaneous manifestations of the one God in three ways. Most of all these people are highly skill in playing endless word games with Trinitarians, they say one thing such as saying "Jesus is God" which sounds biblical, but in reality they are merely affirming the deity of God the Father whom they call Jesus, however they deny both the deity and the Son of God possessing divine attributes. I have 99 videos, including many debates exposing this cult in the Oneness playlist section of my YouTube channel which is called: "Christian Comedy Channel."
  12. I've been talking to them for the past two months about different single topics, each time that we meet. So far I have 22 audio recordings of our discussions, which I've then made into videos and will be uploading to the YouTube channel: Exposing the Wolves, in about 6 months time when I have at least 50 videos in the series. As i said, i try to stick to just one topic when talking to them. Episodes so far include: (1) Is the Holy Spirit a person. (2) Is Jesus a man or an angel right now. (3) The heavenly Hope for the 144,000 in JW theology (4) Their use of Johannes Greber's Bible - he was a spiritualist the only person to use spirits in seances to translate the Bible for him, the Watchtower quoted him approvingly for 20 years. (5) Who raised Jesus from the dead. (6) Is Jesus Jehovah i.e. fully God re John 20:28? Most episodes are about 15 minutes, some half that and a few up to double that. I have a few of my older videos on that channel, including a top 60 Craziest TV preachers video which is simply hilarious: you see brainwashed congregants eating the tips of the tails of live rats, grass, and preachers flamenco dancing across the tithe money spread out over the podium. This video also includes highly blasphemous material, which grieves me, but it's included in order to expose heresy and false doctrine, such as Kenneth Copeland saying "I am a little God," Benny Hinn cursing critics and Hinn's wife talking about the Holy Ghost enema. It's an unbelievable video. If you join Youtube and join that channel, then you will be informed when this series is uploaded.
  13. I have evangelised Jehovah's Witnesses since 1989, when I came out of a similar non-Trinitarian cult myself! Why would I stay away from them? That's crazy advice, as then I'd be completely unable to evangelise them.
  14. Thank you for your advice. However, I must disagree with you, but I have read your comments, and considered them.
  15. No my recordings are audio only, not video! As for the discussion they are simply doctrinal and are continuous, so I do not edit in such a way as to change the meaning, they are continuous recordings made by me. I believe strongly that the doctrinal claims of Jehovah's Witnesses need to be challenged in the public forum, unfortunately, as they will not officially debate, and so this is the only way to do it. I believe that as they regard all other religious groups as of the devil, that claim alone demands that videos are out their of JWs demonstrating their complete lack of Biblical understanding, when asked to explain simple passages from the Bible.