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  1. This is why I am here, how about you?

    Nice attempt at trying to take hyperbole and reading it as history. God's promises to Abraham were not hyperbole; they were fact. (BTW: who's "Johnah"? I know Jonah was three days in the fish....) If you want to take that route, then how long do you think salvation is? Or for that fact, how long God would exist? A danger of painting with too broad a brush is that you tend to hit the spots you weren't aiming for.
  2. This is why I am here, how about you?

    Answer: Ishmael and his nephew Esau. " Again, I will bait you again"; really, you do english much?
  3. This is why I am here, how about you?

    First: the land was also named Israel after the person. Second: if the Israelites aren't warring people, then why do you claim they are murdering Palestinians? History is one thing, what you want to be true is another...
  4. This is why I am here, how about you?

    Unless we reached "forever" by now, God still has promises to keep to Abraham: " The LORD said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, “Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward; for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever. “I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth, so that if anyone can number the dust of the earth, then your descendants can also be numbered. “Arise, walk about the land through its length and breadth; for I will give it to you.” Then Abram moved his tent and came and dwelt by the oaks of Mamre, which are in Hebron, and there he built an altar to the LORD. " (Genesis 23:14-18, NASB, emphasis mine) One thing you ignore is that in Semitic culture, the parties to an agreement would walk between the pieces of animals and recite the terms of the agreement. Abraham did not walk between the pieces of the animals, but "a burning touch and a smoking oven" passed between them: "After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,“Do not fear, Abram,I am a shield to you;Your reward shall be very great.”Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “Since You have given no offspring to me, one born in my house is my heir.” Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own body, he shall be your heir.” And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. And He said to him, “I am the LORD who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to possess it.” He said, “O Lord GOD, how may I know that I will possess it?” So He said to him, “Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds. The birds of prey came down upon the carcasses, and Abram drove them away.Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him. God said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years. “But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions. “As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. “Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.” It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces. On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates: the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite.” (Genesis 15, NASB, Emphasis mine) While Abraham and his descendants were the beneficiaries, the terms of the agreement were between the two who walked between the pieces: God the Son, and God the Father. And while the conditions later stated that those inhabiting the land would be expelled, the promise to Abraham is eternal. And thus, you are mistaken. Following Scripture is not "blindly standing" with anything. What IS "blind" is making excuses for the enemies of God while stabbing His chose nation in the back. Now, take your Anti-Semitism elsewhere; it is not welcome before the Lord and is an insult to the Spirit of Grace.
  5. The definition of an idol is anything that we would worship as or comes between us and the Lord. If you feel an image is beginning to come between you and the Lord, then by all means remove it. But by itself, an image means nothing.
  6. This is why I am here, how about you?

    I decided to go back to your first post, now that your subsequent posts have demonstrated what you are truly after. Considering that Israel treats the Arabs inhabiting Gaza far better than the reverse, I would say it is "a waste of time" as you put it. A little history for you: 5th century BCE historian Herodotus first used the term Palaistínē (Παλαιστίνη) to denote the coastal area from Phoenicia down to Egypt. This is the area that belonged to the Philistines. It was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestina" (ie. the land of the Philistines) in 135 AD (http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-ancient-geographers-maps-sinai-egypt-midian-arabia-kadesh-barnea-shur-herodotus-484bc.htm).. The Arabic word Filastin corresponds to the Greek word as describing "the land of the Philistines", and archaeology demonstrates that the Philistines were originally a sea-faring people. Archaeologist Trude Dothan: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-israel/the-philistines-to-the-north/ When Hadrian renamed Israel "Palestina"(palestine), he was intending on destroying the national identity of the people and the land, and would never have used a name that had been previously associated with Israel. Instead, he renamed the land after Israel's enemies. The modern "Palestinians" are not descendants of these sea-peoples, but are Arabic in origin. When Israel regained the land in 1948, the Arabic nations around them immediately massed their armies, attempting to destroy them. The Arabs who were in Israel were threatened with death by the neighboring Arab nations, and they left Israel despite the promise of protection. But instead of being welcomed by the neighboring Arab nations, they were forced to live in squalid UN camps, with Israel being blamed for what the UN and the "PLO" did. Then in 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza... ... and the attacks began on Israel. What you don't want to understand is that Israel is not the "villain" in this, despite your insistence. Even if Israel were to leave the land, the Muslim nations would never stop trying to destroy them: it has been said that if Israel found a planet on the other side of the universe, Islam would immediately claim that "Mohammad had stopped there on his night journey" and try to take it from them! It's not about the land... it is about Satan trying to destroy Israel so that god will be unable to keep His promised to her. So we know something about "why you are here". My purpose here is simple and it is one: that the truth is spoken and false teaching is stopped before it can take hold. For it is the allowing of false teaching and giving a stronghold to the enemies of the Lord which is to result in the removal of the lampstand of this forum.
  7. This is why I am here, how about you?

    I think so...maybe they ran out of rocks.
  8. This is why I am here, how about you?

    Oh, you mean this pic?
  9. This is why I am here, how about you?

    You did, and you lost.
  10. Internet christians.

    Still waiting for an answer to my questions Micah... Or perhaps you don't feel yourself intellectually qualified to do so, as maybe what I asked is a bit beyond you?
  11. This is why I am here, how about you?

    And ignore the original promise God made Abraham in Scripture, apparently.
  12. Internet christians.

    "If"? You already did try to argue on an emotional level by insulting everyone here when it comes to science. There is also the issue of answering folks' questions when posed to you. If you're not going to follow the form set up for debate here and simply pull cheap tricks out of the bag in a cheap attempt to "prove your point", we are not going to play that silly game. This isn't "answer all your questions but you ignore everyone else"; we have questions that you need to reply to. BTW: would that "space-faring civilization" you speak of be a Western civilization? And would that civilization have to deal with illegal aliens?
  13. Rom 6:11

    Agreed; there is no "formula". A formula means that we would have to do something in our own strength, and that the victory would be predicated on our own merits. That cannot happen, because we cannot qualify to provide out own salvation. Instead, the victory is Jesus Christ's and that through Him, we have that victory as well.
  14. "If Jesus is God who did Jesus pray to"

    “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. After all 'not to reason' is the only option for the rebellious ... Agreed; hopefully my post was clear that I agree with you on this matter (sometimes I don't write as well as I'd like to!). In any event, God is one, but is expressed in 3 personalities. I don't think we will understand the full of it until we are in eternity (if ever!), but that said, let's just go with it and trust God on the details.