I'm new hear to the forum. My first post, I think.
The two subjects of important here have been of interest to me for more than thirty years. The first one is the biggest theologically. The other seem to have more important from our sanctification standpoint. With your patience I would like to make two points and ask one question for both sides of these two subjects.
1. First Subject: The Free will of Man and the Sovereignty of God.
First Point: It has been said that as we approach the gates (figuratively speaking) of Heaven, we will see written one a banner across the gate the words "Whosever will may come." When we get on the other side of the gate and look back at it, we will see written on a banner across the gate the words "Chosen in Him Before The Foundation of the Earth." C H Spurgeon is credited as saying that these two "parallel" doctrines never cross but run through eternity past and only come together in eternity future. A young seminary student friend was asked to explain these two doctrines during his ordination examination counsel. He was asked by one of his seminary profs. After remaining silent for an uncomfortable five minutes, he raised his head and said, The Apostle Paul didn't have to answer that question and I don't think I do either. He passed with flying colors. At the end of Romans 11 after trying to deal with these two seemingly conflicting truths, this is what Paul wrote :
Rom 33 "Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? 35 Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? 36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen."
2. Second Subject: Once Saved Always Saved.
Second Point: It has always puzzled me how someone believes that Christ's death, burial and resurrection were insufficient to "keep" a person saved after they had been born again. Having said that I have a question for those of you who believe that?
Question(s) Since we all sin after conversion, where is the line (what sin or sins) that we cross when if we die we will go to hell? Jesus moved sin out of the realm of our actions to the realm of our heart when he said "You have heard it said, ...... but I say..." He changed the sin of murder to anger. He changed adultery to lust. He changed Judgement There are several other things in that list and throughout Paul's writings and many OT prophets as well as other Apostles the thoughts and motives of men was where sin is happening for all of us much more often than we want to admit to ourselves and others. If you think you can keep yourself acceptable to God for Heaven by "repenting" or even just confessing every sin when they occur, then why is it God has to "discipline His children? (James 1:1-2 and many others) Could it be that He sees sin in us that needs correction that we don't see. If you are thinking it and He sees it and it is sin, what happens if He decides to "take you home" because you won't or don't repent or confess. The question remains, "Where is the line?". You draw it and I KNOW you do the same thing because Romans clearly teaches us we do.