Zoltan777

By the way, I have found the most common lies that EVERYBODY makes. Including Christians: - yes I have read and agreed to the above terms & condition - I'm fine just tired - I will be back in two second -Did you understand this? Yes I did.

The problem is you are viewing things on your perspective and can't see the situation clearly. Why did God kill Sodom and Gomorrah. Why did God commanded the Israelites to kill everyone in the land? Why did God heardened the farao's heart and killed him? Why Samuel give order to Saul by God to kill the Philistines and even their animals? Why did Elijah courses the kids and two bear came out of the woods and killed 42 of them? Why Ananias and Sapphira had to die? Questions which you are observing on your level. There are couple of other problem with you image in your head. First God didn't create everyone. He created only two people. Adam and Eve. The rest was born by them. It has nothing to do with God. By nature we are not children of God but God chooses some to be His. Maybe it's hard for many to accept the fact but many people does awful things and they don't deserve to live. If God wouldn't serve justice he wouldn't be right at all. I know people like to think that everybody is good and God love everybody unconditionally....but that's the biggest dilusion in the churches and everywhere. You just need to grow up a little and observe the life as it is. Murderers, rapists, sexully immoral people everywhere. While I am writing this comment somewhere in this world a woman is getting raped. Someone is getting killed. If God wouldn't judge them He wouldn't be fair. When Jesus will come back the first thing he will do is to judge all the nations. Which means many will be destroyed. Then he will judge everyone which means many will be sentenced to torture for eternity. Why? Because this is what they deserve. You are observing the life in your little room and can't see clearly what has happened and what is happening in this world. The image you have in your head about human mankind is absolutely incorrect.

35, single...still searching but I believe in true love. I do believe it exists.

The problem is that you think there is no difference between lies. Well...lie is a lie but there is always a certain situation and motive that makes people lie. What Ananas and Sapphira did was a serious sin and they deserved to die. Because they motives was sinful. The situation of the midwives and David is completely different. They also lied.... But what do you think? Did God count it as a sin against them? Because I don't think so. So there is difference between lies I am not promoting lies and don't live such life. I am just simply observing the Bible and asking people because I want to know the way they are thinking. My conclusion was indeed a judgement but still think it's true. About the confusion I have created....well the whole forum full of theoretical or theological arguments. I have started this topic with a true story of mine and not by an imagined situation. My question was "I wonder....would you lie or did you lie in a certain situation where you thought is the right thing to do?" I am not sure why you think I am promoting illusion or delusion. I have told my opinion giving you biblical evidence. What you will do with it is up to you but you are right about this: Everyone will have to account for his actions by the ultimate judge.

I have edited my first post as many people are commenting on the story and not on the question I have asked. But maybe you are right. Perhaps, I could have sorted out this situation in a different way. But it's too late anyway.

Well...I am not saying that God blesses those who lies because it's not true in general at all. But...I think there are some situation where lying is the right thing to do. Like in the situation of the midwives or David. As for David: 1. David went to Nob, to Ahimelek the priest. Ahimelek trembled when he met him, and asked, "Why are you alone? Why is no one with you?" 2. David answered Ahimelek the priest, "The king sent me on a mission and said to me, 'No one is to know anything about the mission I am sending you on.' As for my men, I have told them to meet me at a certain place. That was a proper lie. But I believe he did the right thing anyway.

I know how you feel. At some point I would say welcome in my club. I am having "similar" experience. But even my colleague noticed that. For example one day I was having a very strange feeling. I knew I am under a kind of spiritual pressure which made me almost like paralysed. It happened on a Sunday and couldn't get out of the bed all day. It wasn't a natural tiredness at all. I was like a zombie. The next day I met two of my colleagues in the office (we worked three of us together) and they told me the exact same thing. It wasn't the only time it happened something like this but that was the point when they were telling me it's because of you. We were shocked and I was shocked as well. I am having very strong spiritual attacks time to time (2-3 times a week at least) when the aura changes around me and whoever try to come close to me gets affected. It started almost 3 years ago when my life turned upside down. Like I got into a whirlwind or sort of...hard to describe it. Eventually I got very isolated from people....but to be honest I don't mind to be "antisocial"and it was my decision somewhere. Also, I had the same experience regarding the churches and other Christians when I tried to get help and answers why this happening. The usual answer was that I need to read the bible more often. Pray harder...you have sinned...bla bla bla. The way I see Christians like to think inside the box. Jesus died and was cursed in order to us to be blessed. And when something like this happen they have no answer. I am not sure about your situation but talking of mine and trying to give you an answer to why is this happening? Well....first of all I think it's not a curse. Curse is different. Curse is when God so angry with you that He puts a curse on you like He did with Adam and Eve, or Kain and many. So if it's not curse so what's then? I would like to bring an example from the Bible. There was a guy whose name was Job. Probably you have read his story. He lost all his children, all his possession and got sick. His so-called friends turned against him, even his wife. Was he cursed by God? No. I can't solve your problem out neither you can mine. The only thing I can do is to give you some encouragement. Even if I have to go all through this for reason unknown to me I will do my best to fight and to keep my heart clean until my last breath and won't give up. Nothing last forever. Why is this happening to me?? I don't really know but I don't really care. I will go through no matter what. At some point I do enjoy it. Some people having a nice life, nice family, nice everything. But I wouldn't change with them. During this 3 year I learned a lot and changed a lot in a good way through hardship. I think the worst thing you can do in your situation if you put all your frustration on God blaming Him. Just stay strong and don't give up. Nothing last forever.

To be honest...I am not sure.

Well guys...giving the example from the bible like in my previous post: The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, 16“When you are helping the Hebrew women during childbirth on the delivery stool, if you see that the baby is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.” 17The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. 18Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, “Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?” 19The midwives answered Pharaoh, “Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive.” 20So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. 21And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own. Did they sin when they lied? You can twist it, you can add to it but it's very clear. No. Their attitude and acting as a whole story- including their lies - pleased God and therefore He blessed them. I am not promoting lies. But as I started this topic, recently I got to a situation where I made a choice and I think that was the right thing to do. I don't like lying but if it is about saving someone from being punished innocently I would lie without hesitation. I started this topic to see what other Christians think about this. And I think people who says "I would rather let my wife get rapped than to lie" has very little insight about love. The other example I used about David when he ate the consecrated bread and lied to a priest about his "secret mission". Did he sin? I don't think so. If you think he did why Jesus using him an as example for the pharisees? What I have seen here is enough to make my conclusion: majority of the Christian became religious and their heart and teaching much closer to the pharisees than to the truth.

Did they lie or not?

I am not trying to promote lies. However I did notice not just in my life but in the Bible as well that in order to protect someone this is the right thing to do. Two examples: 1.Exodus 1: 15. The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, 16. "When you are helping the Hebrew women during childbirth on the delivery stool, if you see that the baby is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live." 17. The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. 18. Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, "Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?" 19. The midwives answered Pharaoh, "Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive." 20. So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. So even though the midwives were lying GOD WAS KIND TO THEM. 2. 1 Samuel 21: 1. David went to Nob, to Ahimelek the priest. Ahimelek trembled when he met him, and asked, "Why are you alone? Why is no one with you?" 2. David answered Ahimelek the priest, "The king sent me on a mission and said to me, 'No one is to know anything about the mission I am sending you on.' As for my men, I have told them to meet me at a certain place. David was lying in every way. He was not sent to a secret mission. Further more he was asking the priest to give him the consecrated bread which he was not supposed to eat. Still... Jesus was quoting him as an example.

Ok. Sorry. Your post seemed to me that you are jokinh. The qestion still remains....would you lie or did you lie in a certain situation?

I lived in a country which was under the naci invasion where my grandad and my whole family was sentenced because he helped the Jews. So let's not make joke of of it please

Let's play a game. You live somewhere in Europe around the world war 2. Managed to hide some Jews in your home. One day the nacis knock own your door asking DO YOU HIDE ANY JEWS IN YOUR HOUSE? What would you say? Also, let say your a jews back then and you are hiding in my house. If the nacis come knocking on my door with the same question I would say no. After they have left what would you say to me?

To be honest I used to live in a house where birds was kept as pets. All kind of birds and I can tell you it's kind of false love. Not what people think. Of course they can get used to live in a small area but that's not what they are meant for. I felt really sorry for them. You should see them trying to fly between 4 walls or watching through the window. I think it's just a fake love that people think keeping wild animal in captivity it's all okay. Saying that it wouldn't survive in the wilderness. Some people are obsessed with animals and they don't realise they cause more harm then good. They can get used to the situation but birds are not meant to be kept in cage. That's my opinion.

It did give me some awnser. But to be honest with you many people behaving in the church much worse than Ananias and Sapphira.

My question was not to judge my situation but would you lie or did you lie in certain circumstances?

Let me start with a story. I am a building manager. Many contractor working under me. Today our cleaner came to me saying he put the hover inside the lift but left the cable outside. Somebody called the lift and of course..it snapped the cable. When he came to me I could see the dispair on his face. He is a very nice foreign guy (from Columbia) working under me more then a year. After he told me what happened I said: no worries I will talk to your boss. So I called him and said a completely different story. I told him it was my fault. The cleaner put the hover in the lift while I was inside and didn't see that some of the cable is still outside. When I went down the lift snapped the cable. I also told him I would pay for any extra cost to repair the hover. Of course he refused it as they are just a contractors of our company and said it's all good. We are going to replace the hover. To be honest....I feel like I did the right thing and I am not feeling guilty at all. If they come back with a bill I would pay for it. If the cleaner was an evil man I wouldn't get involved in this situation. But he is an adorable person. I wonder....would you lie or did you lie in a certain situation where you thought is the right thing to do?

I will tell you more example. From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the nameof the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. WOW. I am wondering...if it's on TV nowadays how many Christians would call him an evil man.

For me it's a hard question. I should say my mom and my sister who took me to the church. I was separated from them and brought up by my father who was the biggest materialist I have ever known. Still..my father has bigger impact on my life than anyone else. I think we also should consider all the people around us - even though they were not Christian - who made our personality as it is today. My strength is like my father's...my heart is like my mother's. Who had bigger impact on my life? Is it my mom who took me to church and thought me everything about the Bible from a distance or my dad who dinied everything but his hand feed me since I was a baby? I slept next to him until I was 13. I'm still not sure how come I got here. Was it my father or was it my mother? I think it was Jesus who called me and said 'Be mine'

By the way: Job 33:14-16 Indeed God speaks once, Or twice, yet no one notices it. He speaks in dreams, in visions of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they lie in their beds. He whispers in their ears

Farao: I had some terrible dreams last night. Is there anyone to help me? You: no... just shut up and go to sleep! Thanks anyway.

Good question. And I think names have meaning more than we think. Names have also related to numbers but I am not good at it. But I know names have meaning which reveals the future or our the personality somehow. Like a written code. But I also know God can change this code as He changed the name of Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel. Maybe it's off topic but I am also wondering about my name many times. Was it just a mistake or did it mean anything? Actually I was asking God some times to change it as I am not very happy with it. What's your name and what it means?

I do understand you completely. It's horrible. Bu to give you a piece of mind...I am not a native English speaker and in my language (Christian country...Hungary) calling Jesus name in any kind of expression is very rear. We have many swear words which is very bad. At some point I would say Hungarian men swear more than English but Jesus name is tabu. But I did notice that Jesus name in English is used really badly. Which irritates me as well.

I would like to open a new topic dedicated for dreams and interpretations as I believe the dreams are a way for God to communicate with us. However our knowledge is limited and I think it's a good idea to help each other to understand the message better. So if you had some vivid dream you were wondering about please share it with us. We might be able give an answer. I will start with mine first: Last night I had a very vivid dream, me about being in a hospital room. As I was standing in the corner like a furniture I have seen a little child having a stroke while all the doctors were having a meeting in the next room. I was very worried but couldn't move at all. When they have finished about 2-3 min later they have seen the child on the floor and put him in a hospital bed. They told between them 'He must have an allergic reaction'. I tried to shout saying no he is having a stroke ( I am not sure where I got this information but was pretty sure) but nobody was hearing me. They cut the boy's chest open and took his heart out. It was very little like a nut but all purple. They tried to find out with a magnifier what wrong is with it. Then they put it back giving him CPR. As they were pushing his heart to pump again a white liquid like milk flooded his chest completely. After a while they stepped aside and I see the shock waves in that milky thing that his heart beating again. They put on infusion but instead of the water getting into his body all his blood was getting back to the infusion pack as his heart was beating. The doctors started panicking saying 'His heart is running dry!' And I woke up in the middle of the night all sweaty and terrified. WHAT DID I SEE!!!!! What the meaning of it? To be honest somewhat I can relate to that child...not physically more like spiritually as I am going through some hard part in my life but still not sure what it means. If it's me...why I am having a stroke? Why is my heart all purple? Why is my blood getting out of my body? I know I don't feel well spiritually but Is my situation that serious? What shall I do to prevent this? Or am I really just part of the furniture?