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Mike Mclees

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  1. 44 minutes ago, douggg said:

    Mike you have a lot of misconceptions.   I have over 50 years of intense study of end times events.   I am 75 years old.

    Reading your posts, I think you have somewhat less.

    1. There is no 3 1/2 year term in the bible.   People use that term, but it must be taken in the general sense.    And no, the time/times/half a time is not 3 1/2 years, but nominally 3 1/2 years.    The 1260 days could be equated as exactly 3 1/2 years.    The 42 months in Revelation is not exactly equal to 1260 days.   I know mathematically yes, but the 42 months in those prophecies is actually 1256.5 days.  

    2. The confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is not a peace treaty, but the Mt. Sinai covenant.     Confirmed as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, by having the law of Moses read to the nation of Israel from the place of God's choosing (currently thought of by the Jews as being the temple mount).

    Part of the problem is in our communications is that I have over 10,000 posts since 2004 discussing with the Jews (Judaism) what the believe at their sites.   And very few Christians have that level of awareness of what the Jews (Judaism) believe and what they are looking for.

    3.  The abomination of desolation is not the Antichrist claiming to be God.    The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the person made as directed by the false prophet in Revelation 13 and placed on the temple mount.

    The act by the Antichrist in 2Thessalonians2:4 is the transgression of desolation (from Daniel 8:12-13) - an act.     Differently, the abomination of desolation is a thing, something "setup", Daniel 12:11-12.

     

     

    Sir I have no desire to debate with your views. I have read Daniel 9: 27 many times over my own 40 years.   God bless

  2. 2 minutes ago, douggg said:

    Was Jesus a Jew, to be the Christ ?    The AntiChrist has to be a Jew for the Jews to accept the person, thinking he is their messiah.

    When it will happen will be right after the Gog/Magog event.   In Ezekiel 39, there is the Gog/Magog event, followed by 7 years in verses 9-10.    Those 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

    The AntiChrist will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant (Daniel 9:27) for 7 years (based on a requirement that Moses made in Deuteronomy 31:91-13 of all future leaders of Israel on a 7 year cycle).

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    In Ezekiel 39...

    Gog/Magog.... then the 7 years.... then in verses 17-20, the Armageddon event.... in verses 21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth.

     

    You can believe what you want sir. 

  3. 32 minutes ago, douggg said:

    Mike, the premise that the Antichrist must be a Jew comes from the concept of what "Christ" means.   Allow me to connect the dots.

     

    1.  "Christ" is a word based on Greek for messiah.

    John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

     

    2.  Christ = messiah = anointed.     In biblical background in the history of Israel, the kings and priests were considered anointeds.    "the" messiah is the one special anointed to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.    He must be descended from King David.

    The Jews (Judaism) believe that about "the" messiah.    They are looking for that person.

     

    3.  In Matthew and Mark, "Christ" is associated with being that promised King of Israel.

    Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

    Matthew 25:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

    Matthew 25:22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

    4.  In John 5:43, Jesus (paraphrased) said that the Jews would reject him at their King but would receive another as their King... coming in his own name.   Meaning someone that God did not send to be their king.

    John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    5. "Anti", the prefix can mean either, or, or both - "instead of, against".    In the case of the AntiChrist that person will be instead of Jesus (the rightful King of Israel messiah) and also against Jesus, the Son of God.

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    So when all those things are put together, the person has to be a Jew - someone the Jews would be willing to think that he is their King of Israel messiah.

    A couple of characteristics the Jews are looking for in the person (from Judaism101 site) is that...

    1. he has to be great politician.

    2. he has to have military ability - to fight the battles of God in defending Israel.

    Right now there is a such a person who I am keeping an eye on - Zelensky, a Jew, of Ukraine.    Not for certain yet.    But some things are starting to add up.

     

     

     

     

    Bro none of those things make the antichrist a Jew. 

  4. 2 hours ago, douggg said:

    Mike, the ten kings do not give their kingdom oven to the person until he has become the beast.

    Revelation 17:17    For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.   

    We are not at that stage yet, because the ten kings rule with the beast for one hour, Revelation 17:12.  The one hour is the 42 months of Revelation 13:1 when the ten horns (the ten kings) have their crowns.

    But the formation of the group of ten kings is probably close at hand.  The group has to be established so that the little horn person can become over it. 

    Look for that group to emerge out of the EU.    The Roman Empire manifested in the end times.

    Revelation 17:10, the 7 kings are kings of the Julio-Claudian bloodline.

    1. Julius Caesar

    2. Augustus

    3. Tiberius

    4. Caligula

    5. Claudius

    6. Nero (historically, the last of the Julio Claudians)

    7. little horn person, leader of the EU ten kings.

    a. then as the prince who shall come into the middle east following Gog/Magog event

    b. then as the King of Israel, perceived messiah by the Jews... i.e. as the Antichrist

    c. then as the revealed man of sin

    d. then as the beast

    8. the beast (the little horn person after he is killed and comes back to life as the beast-king, which the EU ten kings will rule with him for 42 months.)

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    The person has to be a Jew and somewhere in his bloodline be descended from the Julio-Claudians.    Or it could be that he just takes the title of Caesar when the EU ten hand the EU over to him to be dictator of it.

    He has to be a Jew in order to be anointed the King of Israel, perceived messiah by the Jews, to become the Antichrist.

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    Little horn - the role of being the leader over the group of ten EU leaders (before the 7 years begin).

    Antichrist - the role of being the King of Israel, perceived messiah to the Jews (for most of the first half of the 7 years).

    Beast - the role of being the dictator of the EU for 42 months (of the second half of the 7 years).   The ten EU leaders will rule with him.

     

     

     

    I believe most of what you say except for the antichrist being a Jew .  I strongly believe he is amongst our US presidential runners.  Depending on how long the Israel war is the peace signing will tell us. It is the US that has established the 10 nation coalition. I cannot see the US giving its power to an Israeli. 

  5. 2 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

    Mike, if you don’t mind, are the 10 toes in Daniel chapter 2 the same as the 10 horns in chapter 7? Are the 10 horns in chapter 7 the same as the 10 kings?

    Are these 10 kings the same 10 kings mentioned in Revelation?

    If your answer to all these questions is yes, then do you agree the most important concern is to identify WHEN these 10 came from and in which of the 4 kingdoms?

    Thanks, Charlie 

     

    Charlie I have to say I am not a master of the book of Daniel I am not a theologian. In Daniel I am familiar with 7:25 and 9:27. Can you give me book, scripture, and verse please. 

  6. 6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

    You believe these ten nations you've picked out are going to attack Jerusalem and kill the two witnesses?

     

     

    I don't pick things in less it is written in scripture.  I have not seen anything you are suggesting. Have you? How ever I will do some more reading' and If I come across anything I have missed I will get back to you. Chapter 17 of Rev says ten kings (being ten nations)  will give there power to the antichrist. This is written. I don't believe this is some coincidence given our present end time position.  It says in verse 13 and 14 that these nation along with the antichrist will make war with the Lamb.

  7. 7 hours ago, Michael37 said:

    Fair enough. Preachers and commentators have been convincing themselves that the 10 kingdom alliance is happening under their noses since the Book of Revelation became available.

    Scripture exhorts us to exercise wisdom in who and what we give credence to.

     

    7 hours ago, Michael37 said:

    Fair enough. Preachers and commentators have been convincing themselves that the 10 kingdom alliance is happening under their noses since the Book of Revelation became available.

    Scripture exhorts us to exercise wisdom in who and what we give credence to.

    It also Helps to have a good study Bible that is trustworthy

  8. 23 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

    Yes, your OP is all over a 10 nation coalition, plus you quote from Rev 17:10-13.

    Yes this is right and you are saying the coalition is more than 10 nations and in part that maybe correct, however only 10 of them are of the coalition and will join and give their power over to the antichrist.  

  9. 18 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

    The point is the coalition has more than 10 countries in it, so the premise in your OP should be vacated. Sorry, but it doesn't fly.

    Where do you get 10 countries anyway. I never said anything about ten countries and neither the news clip that was posted. 

  10. 2 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

    Thank you. And that is why I responded…

    So you are awaiting the coming of the “anti-Christ” figure to arrive? 
     

    What are you expecting to see when he arrives (or near the time of his arrival)?

    Thanks

    Matt 24:15“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spokenof by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand),after 3& 1/2 yrs.  

    Read Daniel 9:27 in which he prophesies the antichrist will bring a 7 yr peace accord For Israel and its enemies. However, He will break the accord at mid term being 3& 1/2 yrs causing the abomination of desolation.  The abomination of desolation is when the antichrist will proclaim he is God. It helps to study a little about this rein of the antichrist for the final 3&1/2 yrs. Many believe this peace will be at the end of this current war in Israel. which will make a positive identification of the antichrist. All that is going on right now is in line with scripture 

    Im not doing very well with explanation so ask questions if you need. 

     

    Read full chapter

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  11. 3 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

    I understand you are interested in awareness of the prophecies concerning the "anti-Christ" that is mentioned in the NT....

    Does not the book of Daniel reveal or prophecise about the evil one / the little horn / and all that he will do against the kingdom of God until His return? Are you looking for another? Are you looking into today's front pages of our newspapers to find this "anti-Christ?" 

    If you do not mind, please tell me what should I be looking for or what should I be aware of that will have to take place... Perhaps I am not understanding what you may be thinking about.. thanks!

     

     

     

    Im not asking anything but making us aware of certain thing happening now that are pointing to the antichrists identity without stating names. Until now we have no one to identify with. Is this any help? Have you been keeping up with current news?

  12. 5 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

    Brother Mike,

    You seem to think that I have not read Revelation or the prophets,

    or that I need to be told "read Rev 15:1, 2". I have, in fact, read them

    many times over. Your efforts to teach me are keeping you from

    receiving the point that I am presenting.

    We are not given Revelation to use as an oracle to make predictions,

    or watch current events and try to identify (guess) who we think certain

    people, entities or places may be that are discussed. If you can receive it, this 

    is not the Spirit of Truth, it is the spirit of "wanting to be right". You can

    go to the prophesy/eschatology forum right now and find no lack of 

    its manifestation. Hear the word of the Lord:

    John 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, 

    that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

    What I believe will not be shaken by false prophets, miracles, or doctrines

    of demons because I know the truth, and the truth has set me free, especially

    from the burden of worrying about what is going on in the world.

    "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, 

    and things wherewith one may edify another."

    I did not mean to sound personal. We are not alone hear. The purpose was to make others aware.  I apologize. God bless bro 

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  13. 8 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

    My "argument" is doctrine.

    Ephesians 6:

    10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

    11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,

    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand

    in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,

    and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able

    to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit,

    which is the word of God:

    18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,

    and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

    And I have given you what Gods word says.  You may be more aware now.

  14. 4 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

    This does not support the notion that we need be aware of current events,

    in an effort to identify him. What it does imply:

    Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, 

    and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

    Read also Rev 15:1-2 We are going to be tested of the antichrist . Now if as you argue you can believe what you will. 

    God bless Bro.

  15. 56 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

    For what purpose are you standing on the "rail road tracks", if you are not of this world?

    Being aware implies staying off.

    Not in this case. 

    Daniel 7:25
     
    25 And he ( the antichrist) shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until hand the dividing of time. --This is 3& 1/2  -- You may also read Revelation 15: 1-2 
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  16. 9 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

    4 And Jesus answered and said to them: Take heed that no one deceives you

    How so? By looking to Jesus. I don't need to identify the Beast. He will make

    himself known, and those who know Christ's words will not be deceived.

    And where does this have anything to do with being aware. If you stand on the rail road tracks would you not prefer to know that the train is coming or just be run over. Yes I know that Jesus is coming

  17. It is true that there are many antichrists, but only one who is called the man of sin and the beast. He is spoken of many times and in scripture.   I am only saying that we need to have awareness which is acknowledged by Jesus and seen throughout our Bible which is in itself awareness. What is chapter 24 of Matt talking about. 

  18. Hello ! ?      Why does it seem that everyone is hiding behind bible questions while ignoring the issues of prophesy today being as fruit forming on the tree ?  I believe awareness is very important to believers today. We should not be ignoring them. Did not Jesus acknowledge this to his disciples.   

  19. I do not follow after Christian politics or Christians seeking political positions, but still Iam not blind. Christian nationalists are praying for a dictator to be our president. 

    Aside from this a ten nation coalition has been formed to guard shipping in the Red Sea. This has been mentioned on the evening news.

    The United States has announced a 10-nation coalition dubbed “Operation Prosperity Guardian” to combat the increasing number of Houthi missile and drone attacks on ships transiting the Red Sea.

    Revelation 17: 10-13 says that ten nations will give their power over to the antichrist. All these things are happening now before our very eyes.

     

  20. 27 minutes ago, Starise said:

    This truly falls into the category of strange if taken literally.  When Jesus was at the last supper, it might have made a little more sense to the disciples. " This is my blood, take and drink", This is my body, take and eat"

    Rephrase- Accept my sacrifice, my body sacrificed for you, for the remission of sins. Then He went to the cross and made it all too apparent what he meant.

    Some Christian denominations observe the Lord's table in remembrance of Him. They hand out the wine and the bread to observe the ritual. The reason I'm bringing this up is to flag an inaccurate teaching that says these elements are literally the blood and body of Christ. Most protestant churches see this as only symbolic. Really going out on a pole otherwise.

    I hear that and know who they are.  

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