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I did not see where you quoted Jesus telling his witnesses to kill and torment people.Did I miss it?

I think you might be missing the point about Trump.He tries to save Israel .And that is when all the people of Israel receive the mark of the beast used to buy and sell. About 3.5 years after Trump gives Israel armed forces to defend Israel ,those armed forces are overcome by israel enemies .Trump fails to save Israel .The women of Israel are raped ,the house burned.The children and men killed. Then Trump nukes Israel and all the countries which attacked Israel .The great tribulation is the Samson option and it's the United states that does it. The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, b'rerat shimshon) is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel

Scripture says that the beast is a kingdom and the prostitute sits on that kingdom. Scripture says the prostitute is a city and the kings in that kingdom hate the prostitute. Scripture says the prostitute is was once a righteous city but has become a prostitute.The city will be destroyed then it shall become a righteous city again. The prostitute is Jerusalem and the kingdom Jerusalem rules is the promised land.The promised land is the kingdom that stretches from.the Euphrates river to the Nile.The ten king within this kingdom which hate the prostitute has nothing to do with Rome.It has nothing to do with Europe. It is the Muslim nations that will attack and destroy Jerusalem. That is who hates Jerusalem. The kings which go to armegeddon Israel at the time of the end come from the east.Countries such as Iran and Iraq are east of armegeddon.Rome is not a participant. 12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Rome has nothing to do with the nation of Israel.Rome is not going to attack anyone .Its not the same nation it was 2000 years ago. If you want to know who is going to attack the prostitute and make her naked to hen you should pay attention to who says they will.Thete are certain nations that openly say they hate the prostitute.Its not hard to understand why they hate her and will attack her. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-says-it-will-retaliate-israels-attack-its-damascus-consulate-2024-04-02/ It may take a few years till Iran and the ten are ready but they will have their revenge. Revelation 17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. You would be lucky to make Rome hate anyone.Persia and Assyria are a different story.

Their Lord was crucified. Revelation 11;8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified Mathew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Their Lord is Jesus.Like us, Jesus has given them commandments.The same commandments Jesus has given all his witnesses. I have a question for you Revelation 13 speaks of a second beast.A beast that will practice the authority of the first beast for 42 months.42 months is 1260 days in the Hebrew Bible.It makes fire come down from heaven. What do the two horns of that beast represent?

Jesus Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified Now show me where their Lord who was crucified,commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people. You really should consider what I'm saying about them who come in Jesus name.Its the first sign Jesus gave his disciples concerning his coming.

Certainly not by his own power. Daniel 8 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

PS Proof the Israeli goverment is not of God is the fact that it asks for weapons from the United states.It needs US money and weapons to survive. If it was of God,it would not need weapons from the United states.God would defend Israel and make it safe.

Ok ,so the deadly wound of the beast was healed and Jews from all nations followed after the beast.Jews who reject the king of Israel and worship the beast. Keep in mind,it's only the Israelis who believe in Christ who receive the spirit of God.All.them who worship the beast and recieved it's mark are cast out.There will be waling and gnashing of teeth. The king of Israel will come. Mathew 13 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Show me where Jesus commands them to torment and kill people as the scripture says they do. If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

Rom 13:1-4 doesn't say anything about God gathering Israel. Why is it that if a Jew follow the beast,some people believe that Jew was gathered by God?

Daniel 8 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. Where is his power coming from?Who is his supplier?

Does netanyahu acknowledge Christ and is he a faithful follower of Christ? Or does he deny Christ? 1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

The Olivet discourse signs begin with many false prophets arriving in Israel in Jesus name . This is the arrival.of the false prophet in Daniel 11:31-32. Luke 21 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. Then the persecution of the saints in Israel begins which is in Daniel 11:33-35.This persecution lasts 3.5 years. Luke 21 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. Then the big war begins in Daniel 11:40-44 Luke 21 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. At that time Christ comes in the clouds,Daniel 12:1-2 Luke 21 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

It's like the Sanhedrin asking Rome's soldiers to kill Christ.Israels leaders still decide who is imprisoned and killed.The king of the norths armed forces just do as they are told. Mark 14:64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Uncle Sam,can I please have ten billion dollars? Here's 14 billion kid,Now play nice. Yippie,now I buy more toys. Defense sources told The Times of Israel later Thursday that Israel's plans to procure a new squadron of 25 F35i stealth fighter jets, a squadron of 25 F-15IA fighter jets — the Israeli variant of the advanced F-15EX — and a squadron of 12 Apache helicopters were advanced during the discussions.Jan 26, 2024 https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-advancing-deals-with-us-to-purchase-fighter-jets-helicopters-and-munitions/

The United States gives Israel the money to buy those weapons. Most of the aid—approximately $3.3 billion a year—is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services.Jan 23, 2024 https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts#:~:text=Most of the aid—approximately,U.S. military equipment and services. On top of the 3.3 billion a year,the United States gives the little guy emergency money for times like this.Israel asked for 10 billion extra last year and I believe they have received or is about to receive 14 billion. https://www.timesofisrael.com/14b-us-aid-package-for-israel-crafted-with-eye-to-multi-front-war-not-just-gaza/

I believe the saints in Israel are given into the hand of the Israeli government to be persecuted.Imprisomed and killed.It takes place after the United States armed forces begin e its occupation of Israel on the Israeli governments behalf. The Israeli government will still be in control of Israel during this time. Daniel 11:33 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come. The beast doesn't not relinquish power in his own kingdom after he receives the second beast.The second beast is doing exactly what the first beast wants. Revelation 13 10 “If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.”[d] This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people. 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

Another thing to consider.While most of Israel.is being destroyed for worshiping the beast,there is a remnant being marked in their foreheads by Christ .Who are these in the land of Israel.being marked in their foreheads by Christ? Ezekiel 9 9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. 2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. 3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; 4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. 8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem? 9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not. 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head. 11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me. Who did this man mark in their foreheads in Jerusalem while the rest of Jerusalem we're being slaughtered?

You said the scene in 14 is in heaven "The scene of 7 is on earth The scene of 14 is heaven. The 24 Elders and 4 creatures are there - same as Chapter 4" Revelation 14 doesn't say the 144000 are in heaven.John says he sees an angle flying in heaven but he doesn't say the 144000 are flying in heaven. If the scene in 14 is in heaven as you say, then them in verse 9 are about to get the mark of the beast. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

The Medes are going to pay Babylon back double in the end. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-bombs-iran-embassy-syria-iranian-commanders-among-dead-2024-04-01/ Someone should tell the king of Babylon his days are numbered.

Do you even have the slightest hint as to why God calls Jerusalem a prostitute? Isaiah 1:21 See how the faithful city has become a prostitute! She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her— but now murderers! Do you have a clue?

Do you even comprehend who hates Babylon and why? Revelation 17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. The hate keeps building. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/israeli-airstrike-on-iranian-consulate-in-damascus-kills-irgc-commander

It has nothing to do with what Mohammed says. It has everything to do with beast from.the abyss and the ten kings that attack Babylon. Can you tell me why the Lord fights against the the nations who attack Babylon on the day of the Lord? Zech 14 14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. You see,I already understood who the ten kings ,the beast and Mystery Babylon were before I read the Quran.Long before.

That's what the ten horns and the beast from the abyss believe. Its not rocket science to understand what these nations who fight against the Lord believe.You believe christians are going to rise up to fight against the Lord for possession of the promised land when it's the .Muslims who will wage war for it.I recon you believe David was a false prophet since he said they will fight against the Lord Psalms 83 talks about the same war. Revelation 17 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Psalms 83 5 With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you— 6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, 7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. 8 Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants. 9 Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon, 10 who perished at Endor and became like dung on the ground. 11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, 12 who said, “Let us take possession of the pasturelands of God.”