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  1. 5 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Excuse me, but that's not what I said. Not even close. Try reading more slowly, and examining the things given for your consideration.

    Daniel gave the prophecy, not the interpretation of it. How often did Daniel himself have to ask for understanding of what he was seeing or hearing? Did he not write faithfully about things he did not understand?

    It is other men throughout history who have made all manner of interpretations of Daniel’s prophecies. Thus, what I said is that your interpretation (with which wholly I disagree [is that what really offends you?]), is very much in accord with what was possibly one of the first documented eschatological treatise put forth in defense of both Catholicism and the papacy, written by a French monk at the royal request of the queen of France. People, doctrines, positions of influence, and religious dominance were in question and being scrutinized.

    Prior to that, there were indeed various interpretations among the various non-Catholics, but there was a basic harmony among them concerning Catholicism being heretical and the papacy a usurpation of authority contrary to scripture. Nearly all their eschatological position were contrary to both your interpretation and that of the monk. Simple fact.

    I simply told you, and will say it again, that what you are believing is in my firm opinion very similar to that which the monk construed. And once more, he did so purely in defense the papacy to refute the eschatology of non-Catholics before the queen. Look it up. Why wouldn’t you?

    The same misdirecting is also very much like what has happened because Scofield wrote his interpretations, which someone has placed side by side with Holy Writ in a "reference bible," (now being widely used by almost every seminary out there). This, I believe, and how can it do otherwise, steers people to erroneous conclusions, via his notes that say, "This is that." Has not the devil consistently labored to teach us all what to think, instead of how to think?

    Now I am not saying Scofield wasn’t a man of God, but rather on many eschatological points it simply wasn’t “given to him to know.” For we all are given but a measure of both faith and grace whereby we speak one to another. Therefore, I give him much due respect for submitting them for peer review, much like we all should be doing here. But it seems to me, that just as the devil would have misused the body of Moses to an ungodly end, he has nonetheless managed to do so utilizing Scofield’s speculations to promote erroneous end-time theories.

    Now, Peter said "this is that" under the anointing of the Holy Spirit concerning the outpouring on Pentecost, but Scofield, like so many, was simply trying to fit pieces of scripture together wherever they seemed to fit, but again, it simply wasn't "given to him to know the mysteries of the Kingdom" as they were "seal until the end," meaning the later days of the Gospel dispensation. Sadly though, many are still trying to interpret or figure out scripture the same way, or worse, accepting whatever they were taught.

    For I have yet to meet a Christian anywhere who doesn't believe they were taught the truth, unless they truly humbled themselves and became both prayerful and critical students of God's word. That is why we must labor to understand that which was committed to the early church fathers, upon whom the burden of being faithful stewards of the prophets and apostles’ teachings and understanding fell.

    What's your problem?

    Daniel didn't say anything about the Catholic Church nor was he prophesying of it.Daniel was prophesying of the end times.The king of the north who exalts himself above all ,the persecution of the saints in Israel and the destruction of the middle east by the armed forces of the king of the north.

    There's Nothing in there about the Catholic church or peoples interpretations which you seem to be stuck on.

    This prophecy is an end times prophecy about a man who exalts himself above all.

    Daniel 11

    36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

     

    This is the same man who Paul said would exalt himself above all before the coming of Christ.

     

    2 Thes 2

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

  2. 1 hour ago, BlindSeeker said:

    I've said nothing hateful. Aren't you being a bit way overly hypersensitive there? What exposed nerve did I accidently touch?

    Do you only read the bible? No commentaries, history books?  I find you question "Why do you think I should read non biblical sources to learn biblical verses" a bit odd. How is it you are missing the obvious? You live in the here and now, not then. Your culture is not their culture.

    Let me ask you this, have you always been so absolutely right as a believer? Has your understanding always been so profoundly flawless and complete?

     

    Brother, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am not hateful, nor have I said anything even remotely as hateful as you have just spued out towards me. I can only conclude this fiery contention stems from your pride of knowing all things so completely and perfectly.

     

    Your horrific assessment of my love for God's word is confounding. With such little discourse and you're able to make such thorough of a conclusion....

    Sorry, but your words only re-enforce the obvious, that you my friend are the one making a huge mistake stating I hate and disregard God's word. And you want people to embrace your words and position as sound when you speech is so void of grace?

     

    Perhaps you should stop making such rash judgments of others with so little insight into their heart. Yours is betrayed and overly exposed by your own uncharitable speech. You leave me wondering which verse I should follow-

    Proverbs 26:4 -  Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
     Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

     

    Yes ,I have found you yo be very hateful.Not just in this thread but others as well.

     

  3. 1 minute ago, BlindSeeker said:

    I don't know any one who doesn't like thinking other people think their special or right....

    Trump wants to be thought of as being the chosen one .As he said he is.

    There is a big difference between wanting to be thought of as special and wanting to be thought of as being the only one who can deliver Israel.

    “I kept Israel safe, remember that. I kept Israel safe,” he said in a video posted to Truth Social. “Nobody else will, nobody else can, and I know all of the players

     

    Only God can make Israel safe.

  4. Just now, BlindSeeker said:

    Ok, let's be honest with each other. Did you even bother look him up, find his booklet, and consider his interpretation which was contrary to that who the Catholic Church was condemning as heretics?

    If not, then you are making bold words from a position of ignorance. Sorry, not saying it to offend, just stating a reality is you didn’t.

    Let me present to you my concern about interpreting what scripture says, and how we, reading translations outside of the original cultural setting might actually unintentionally misinterpret what seems to be so clearly written.

    Jesus said to one of the thieves on the cross the following -

    Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, “Verily I say unto you, Today you shall be with Me in paradise.”

    However, in the original text, equal true for Hebrew, Aramaic, as with Greek, there was no uppercase/lower case, nor punctuations.

    So is we read the verse above the way the translators interpreted it, we naturally conclude Jesus is clearly saying, “Today you shall be with Me in paradise.” But only because of the punctuation and not because of the text. There are often differences between translation, transliteration, and interpretation.

    ·        Translation is simply giving a clear word for word rendition for thought.

    ·        Transliteration in part is sometimes required when a word in another language does not have a counterpart in another language, and therefore, one word in one language might require three or four in another to be communicated, or visa versa. However, the force of the original can be altered, as well as clarity for precise application.

    ·        Interpretation can be best translated as “I think this is what they meant.”

    So, if we play with the ADDED punctuation in the verse, and render it this way with exactly the same words, “Verily I say unto you today, you shall be with Me in paradise,” then by moving the comma over one word, we would then understand the text as Jesus saying on that day to the thief, that due to his penitent faith, he would eventually be with Jesus in paradise.

    This is but one of many, many such verses in Holy Writ which we from another age and culture look back upon prayerfully, studying them that we might not be ashamed for having wrongfully interpreting it.

    You my friend, like me, and everyone for that matter, need to be firm in or convictions, but humble in our declarations, for as Paul said, “If any man thinks he knows something, he know nothing as he ought.”

     

    Why do you think I should read non biblical sources to learn biblical verses?

    You claiming I'm making bold words from a position of ignorance is very hateful speech there.

    For one you have no idea what you are talking about .Your hate of other christians is very disturbing .Your hate for the Catholic church is very disturbing.

    And your disregard for the word of God is a huge mistake.Paul stated that the man of sin who exalted himself above all would be destroyed at the coming of Christ is exactly what Daniel taught concerning the same man but you ignore everything Daniel was told to write about the man.

    Perhaps it's time you stop reading extra biblical sources and read what the prophets wrote about the man of sin.

     

    Daniel 11

    36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

  5. 20 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

    There is no video in your link about what you said.  You made a statement then show where he actually said what you said, or 

    I'm surprised you haven't seen it.

     

    https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/trump-shares-bizarre-video-declaring-god-made-trump-suggesting-he-is-embracing-a-messianic-image/articleshow/106601528.cms

     

    It's more of the same coming from Trump.

    First he says he is the chosen one.Then he says only he can keep Israel safe.Now it's God made Trump.

  6. 1 hour ago, luigi said:

    You know what else there Shilohsfoal? About a month ago Trump had a video made of himself, showing himself as a Messiah. Evangelical communities said the video was in bad taste, but did not denounce him.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    I saw that video.Someone made it and Trump shared it on truth social.

    Trump likes being thought of in that way.

     

  7. 9 minutes ago, other one said:

    He's a lot more likely to give thought to what you are saying if you leave this part out

    What he said  is that Adso of Montier-en-Der is the first person to say what I'm saying.

    He is wrong.Daniel is the first person to have written about the man of sin who will exalt himself above all.

     

    Daniel 11

    36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

     

    Paul later wrote of the same man who would exalt himself above all.Paul ,having been a Pharisees would have been familiar with the book of Daniel.

     

    Thes 2

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

  8. 10 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    What you believe and preach was actually first preached by a French Catholic monk known as Adso of Montier-en-Der who died in 992 A.D. He was a prolific writer of poems, hymns, and biographies of the lives of saints. However, perhaps his most famous work was his “Letter to Queen Gerberga on the Place and Time of Antichrist,” which became known as the “Little Book on the Antichrist.” He wrote this as he was prompted of her to give sound reason why the pre-reformation protestants, the anabaptists and such, the true church reject the papacy and its heresy, why they were wrong and they, Catholicism, were right.

    Seriously, you need to do some deeper research....

    If you would have read the things I submitted concerning the man of sin, you would know how I feel about your perspective. 

    If you would read it, then would be easier for you to see why it was wisdom for Paul to be elusive and not to write in his Epistle to the Thessalonians that Rome was what was hindering Catholicism from rising, since it was going to have to fall first in order to make way for the great apostasy and the son of perdition.

    Furthermore, as I stated earlier, (maybe another thread ) the phrase “son of perdition” is only used twice in scripture, once by Jesus in reference to Judas who ended up being a false apostle, and here again used by Paul in reference to the Papacy which by Catholicism is said to be overseen by a continuation of apostles now referred to as popes. However, in the eyes of true Protestants, the popes have all been false apostles and betrayers of truth, just as surely as Judas was.

    2nd Thessalonians 2:3 – Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? [How that God will judge His people, and afterwards will likewise judge those nations whereby He chastised those who are called by His name, causing those nations to fall?] 6 And now ye know what withholds [Rome] that he [the false apostle] might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he [Rome] who now lets will let [prevent his rise], until he [Rome] be taken out of the way [falls]. 8 And then shall that Wicked [lawless one] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Another point that was succinctly stated by Bible commentator Adam

    Clarke that is noteworthy –

    “After the death of Christ the temple of Jerusalem is never called by the apostles the temple of God; and if at any time they make mention of the house or temple of God, they mean the Church in general, or every particular believer. Whoever will consult (*verses next page) will want no examples to prove that, under the Gospel dispensation, the temple of God is the Church of Christ; and the man of sin sitting implies this ruling and presiding there; and sitting there as God implies his claiming Divine authority in things spiritual as well as temporal; and showing himself that he is God, implies his doing it with ostentation.”  

    *Verses referenced by Adam Clarke above:

    1st Corinthians 3:16 – Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

    2nd Corinthians 6:16 – And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

    1st Timothy 3:15 – But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    Revelation 3:12 – Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him My new name.

    Adso of Montier-en-Der is not the first person to teach what Daniel wrote about the king of the north.Daniel is.

    Daniel is the first person to say the king of the north will exalt himself above all.

    Daniel 11

    36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

     

    Paul is the second person who would say he will exalt himself above all.

     

    2 Thes 2

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

     

    So you are wrong about Adso of Montier-en-Derbeing the first person to teach this.Daniel wrote it long before Adso of Montier-en-Der was born.

  9. 2 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Thank you for the clear statement. While I do believe Trump is indeed mentioned in scripture, and his position as POTUS, being that of one exercising all power and authority over America, I can not identify with him as meeting the requirements of “the man of sin.”

    1st Thessalonians 2:3 – Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. 

    My reluctance is due to the fact that the phrase “son of perdition” is only used twice in scripture, once by Jesus specifically in reference to Judas - who ended up being a false apostle, and again above by Paul used in my opinion and that of many in reference to the Papacy which by Catholicism is said to be overseen by a continuation of “apostles” ( a position or office similar to POTUS or high priest, which only one man at a time fills), which are now referred to as “popes” or the “the papacy.”

    Historically, in the eyes of true Protestants, all the popes have all been false apostles and betrayers of truth, antichrists promoting another gospel and Jesus by another spirit, just as surely as Judas was possessed of the devil... 
    Much more can be stated, but I will simply submit my reasoning on this here in a chapter I wrote called “Giving Way to the Rise of The Son of Perdition.

    At first, it all may seem irrelevant to the particular topic, and it might require some patience, but I assure you it is relative and, IMHO, fundamental to one properly understanding both the term “the son of perdition" and the rise thereof.

    Furthermore, I think it would be prudent for all, especially the earnest seeker of the truth, to ask what scriptural and historical justification those early protestant commentators have for interpreting "son of perdition" they did and attributing it to Catholicism and the papacy...

    For some clarification, I am including a brief excerpt to present part of vagueness around this phrase, and the criticalness of the context of "he that will let (prevent), will let until he be taken out of the way."

    (Note - there is a downloadable mp3 - duration 58 min.)

    "[I am] ...asking the question, “Why didn’t Paul just articulate these things again in more detail in his epistle?” With a matter of such significant importance, what could be his reason for not putting forth a clear and coherent teaching on this apostasy which the Holy Spirit had revealed to him was going to take place? Especially when Paul’s normal pattern in his epistles was to be very meticulous and thorough when presenting to the saints the oracles of God; yet here he goes no further than to write to them “Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?” It is evident Paul felt it was wisdom to trust the Holy Spirit to help them recall these pertinent things, for he continues with “you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time.” Hence it seems evident that the Apostle Paul under the unction of the Holy Spirit was writing with great carefulness and was unwilling to formally document those things which he had obviously communicated to them in person.

    Plus, in those days, delivering a letter was considerably costlier, more laborious, and time-consuming than merely writing one; especially compared to the ease of email correspondence nowadays. So it wouldn’t have been prudent for Paul to be so vague in his letter unless it was intentional. Also, let’s not fail to note that it is only in 2nd Thessalonians 2:5 that Paul can be found imploring his readers to “Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things,” making this a clear departure from Paul’s normal manner of wholly giving himself to clearly define “these things” whether in person or letter. Therefore, Paul had to believe there was more wisdom in being vague and petitioning them to recall, than there was in establishing an official document outlining “these things” with Silvanus, Timothy and his name being attached to it."

     

    I can't see the Pope giving Israel his armed forces to abolish the daily sacrifice.Mainly because the Pope has no armed forces.

    Paul in 2Thes2  was talking about the king of the north in Daniel 11.

     

    2 Thes 2

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

     

    Daniel 11

    36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

     

    Besides that,the Pope has no abomination that causes desolation in his arsenal because the Pope has no arsenal.

  10. 43 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Montana Marv and Shilohsfoal, you are both correct.

    There is indeed places in scripture where "anointed" means "chosen" or set "apart," but it is indeed absolutely correct to understand it as "being poured upon" or a "filling."

    Perhaps, being specific with each other how you are using it  will allow a path to agreement and a return to the Original Topic.

    I believe Donald Trump is the man of sin .

    King of the north

    I believe he has a purpose and that is to destroy the middle east but I don't see him as a saviour as he sees himself and others see him as.I don't believe he can save anything or keep anything safe as he claims.

    As of now hes trying to make a fast buck selling bibles.Reminds me of Trump's TV show theme song.

    Money money money- money

     

  11. 2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

    90 percent or more of those who post on this Forum have also been anointed with God's Holy Spirit.  And many of us reject what you claim.

    In Christ

    Montana Marv

    You reject my claim that the anointing of God is the holy spirit?

    What is it that you believe the anointing of God is?

     

     

    If this isn't the holy spirit of God being spoken of then do tell what you believe the anointing is.

     

    1 John 2:27

    As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
     

  12. 1 hour ago, Diaste said:

    That really doesn't follow. 

    So where is Trump making sure no one tears down a cross?

     

    No where.

     

    Now,would you like to buy a bible for the low low price of $60.00 from multi billionaire Trump?He needs support to save Christianity and christians.Or pay his lawyers.

  13. 1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

    No.

    Krill supports the war and doesn't care how many Russians and Ukrainian christians are killed.The more die the better as long as he can keep the churches in the former Soviet Union in check.

    It's like Protestants splitting from catholics so the Pope goes to war.In this case Krill and his church he leads has been told to get lost.If you support the murder of innocent Ukrainian women and children then you have no place here.

  14. 2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

    SMH.........Everything I see you put forth is in error. 

    You believe the people saying Trump is anointed is an error of mine or you believe the Bible verse i quoted about the anointing is an error?

     

     

    Or you don't know what your talking about? 

  15. 3 hours ago, Last Daze said:

    Maybe he's referencing what they're doing in the Ukraine.  We all know who's pulling the strings there.

    You talking about the Russian church wanting to destroy Ukraine?I guess Russia has destroy several churches along with those cities but I don't see Trump stoping Putin from.doing whatever Putin wants.I believe Putin would like to end the war with some sort of victory though.

     

    I'd say there have been plenty of christians have died on both sides of that conflict ever since Russian started their special military operation.

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  16. 2 hours ago, other one said:

    How many days of the Lord have there been?

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    Isaiah 13

    Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

    And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

    Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

    10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

    11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

     

    12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

    13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

     

  17. 2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

    This claim, like your previous ones, attributes words and/or thoughts to me that I in no ways expressed. In other words, you are being deceptive.

    This alone is what I wrote. A couple of examples of Israelites doing this in the past:

    Judges 6:1 Then the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD. So the LORD delivered them into the hand of Midian for seven years, 2 and the hand of Midian prevailed against Israel. Because of the Midianites, the children of Israel made for themselves the dens, the caves, and the strongholds which are in the mountains.

    1 Samuel 23:14 And David stayed in strongholds in the wilderness, and remained in the mountains in the Wilderness of Ziph.

     

     

    Well,perhaps you should keep the verse in context then you would realize zech 14 and revelation 6 has never happened before.

  18. 7 years tribulation for who?

    From my understanding the persecution of the saints in Israel lasts for a time,times and a half=3.5 years.

    Where do you see the saints having tribulation for 7 years?

     

     

    Daniel 7

    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

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  19. 50 minutes ago, Diaste said:

    He was referring to stopping those try to remove the religious symbol of the cross. So when he said that, he meant no crosses would be torn down and removed. 

    About the only place I see the symbol of a cross is around churches.

    I read the news about everyday.I haven't read where anyone is trying to tear down the churches.

    Have you seen where they are removing churches from the United states?

  20. 8 minutes ago, other one said:

    I firmly believe our last election was won by deception and outright illegal doings across the country.  We've let the devil work himself into the full-time government employees and main stream media so the more evil people running can win over the will of the people.  I didn't get that thought easily, but by watching a lot of local senate and house streaming and people I personally know within the voting system.

    Well,I believe Trump won the election in 2016 and Biden won is 2020.I believe Trump will win in 2024 but not because government employees are evil.I believe he will win because more people will vote for him in certain states than Biden.

    I then believe Trump will try to do things he says he will do like bringing Israel peace and safety.Biblical things.

     

    1 thes 5:3

    For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

     

    Trump says he the only one who can.

     

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    I've read where people believe God chooses the presidents of the US and I've read other people say that the Presidents are chosen by the people through the election process.If they win the electorial college then they become president.

    I tend to believe US president are chosen by the people through the election.That would explain how someone could come into power and take over a kingdom through intrigue.

     

     

    Daniel 11:21

    The next to come to power will be a despicable man who is not in line for royal succession. He will slip in when least expected and take over the kingdom by flattery and intrigue

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