Uriah

Luke 17:37- And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. It is interesting that people have said that you can see the vultures circling when the dead body is distant. But others in the same scenario would report that they were close because they saw the sane thing.

Hello D, As far as I am concerned, we are instructed to "watch." No "claim" necessary. Mark 13:33- “Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is."... v. 37- “And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!” To me, this present conflict has the greatest potential for developing into an end-time scenario. For some time now I understood that there has to be a conflict that results in the creation of a state of Palestine with "peacekeepers" maintaining the border between then and Israel. With a border that divides Jerusalem, the city will be trodden under the feet of the Gentiles... Rev 11:2 If that happens, it won't need to be claimed by anyone. It is truly something for which to, "watch."

IMO these declarations will be in style when Palestine is created.

Wow, three temples! Can we add one more and go for four? (Ezekiel) Or doesn't it count?

But WHEN? The entire passage pertains to one context. And of course men will build it. Come on, bro we refer to Solomon's temple but do you think he had no workers and carried all the stones etc? Zec 6:12- And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Zec 6:13- Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. Zec 6:15- And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God. Are you indicating that Zec 6:15 proves there will be tw0 temples?

Hi Neighbor! I have previously brought up a couple of times; I don't believe there will be a "third Temple" before the the Kingdom Age when Jesus is reigning. A former leader of the Temple mount group was asked when they will begin building the Temple, seeing as they have made it's implements etc. He continued to say that they are waiting for the Messiah...HE will build it. And he quoted Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. The Jewish people are appalled that American Christians want them to build a Temple "for the blaspheming antiChrist" as they know that only a Jewish high priest would be the ONLY one allowed to enter the Holy Place. Additionally, because the Temple we see in the book of Ezekiel in in the Kingdom, will God have two Temples? Misunderstandings in eschatology have brought this to us

Is it near? In my opinion the currant situation in Israel is going to get bad enough that they will likely use tactical nukes, thereby triggering the "world community" to intervene. They will create a new state of Palestine in the west bank and..."secure" the borders between the two nations using so called "peacekeepers." This will include Jerusalem as well even if it isn't the first place they put them. This will be the time when Jerusalem is trodden under the feet of the Gentiles for 42 months. I expect this to be preceded (5 months?) by the arrival of the two witnesses. I also expect this to be approx. the Feast of Trumpets. We shall see. [underlined sentence was meant to say the arrival of the two witnesses will be at that time and they precede the man of sin] Also, as I see it, the two witnesses ARE the two wings of a great eagle in Rev. 12. This fantastic miracle by them will move the Israelites from "behind enemy lines" in the west bank. Transported, en masse as Philip was , to a place prepared (Negev?) When the witnesses arrive days can be counted until they are martyred. THAT is when to expect the cataclysms of Revelation.

Dan 8:13- Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Deu 33:2- “The LORD came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And He came with ten thousands of saints; From His right hand Came a fiery law for them.

I don't mean to butt in... I don't think Jesus is the kind of man that would want His wife to fight His battles. "Saints" is used in scripture for angels. They are the "armies of heaven", he is the "Lord of hosts" (armies). The Israelites had, "armies" and it was obviously referring to "divisions".

Hi Retro! I'm pretty sure we touched on this before. Remember, I said nations are made of individuals? The emigrating aspect is not supported in scripture. But what I posted is a direct quote from Jesus: Mat 25:41- Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: All will stand before the judgment seat of Christ individually. Rev 20:12- and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Exactly what we see in Mat 25.

* Rev 6:14- And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; a Rev 20:11- the heaven fled away; Rev 6:14- every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Rev 20- the earth...fled away Rev 20:11 - throne, and him that sat on it, Rev 6:16- him that sitteth on the throne Rev 20- whose face Rev 6:16- face of him Rev 20:11- found no place for them Rev 6:16- Fall on us, and hide us Rev 20:15- the lake of fire Rev 6:16- the wrath Rev 6:17- the great day of his wrath is come One example of why I don't read Revelation in a strictly linear manner. This is why Rev 20:7-10 should have parentheses around them. Perhaps vv. 5&6 included as well.

Nope. It can be plainly seen here: Mat 13:40- As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41- The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Mat 13:42- And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.... Mat 13:47- Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Mat 13:48- Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Mat 13:49- So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, Mat 13:50- And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 25:31- When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:..... Mat 25:32- And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:... Mat 25:34- Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:... (see John:14:2) We inherit the Kingdom when the Kingdom COMES Mat 25:41- Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Mat 25:46- And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Of course I do. As comfortable as Paul was writing it... 1 Co 15:22- For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1Co 15:23- But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. I don't know why you deny this fact. I hope it isn't a word game of sorts. Wouldn't seem like you. But I feel confident you are putting forth a theory. Maybe I am wrong but I think you are alone in it. What Paul said includes everyone in Rev 20:4. I showed you O.T. examples of you said you had never seen. Their accuracy says it all. For example; Is 26:19- Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Isa 26:20- Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. Isa 26:21- For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Is 27:1- In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. Is 27:13- And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem. You asked me for other scriptures to support this position and I have done so. Will you do the same? Job, Daniel, Isaiah, Paul and Jesus say the same thing. If that isn't enough, nobody will convince you. bro.

But there is more than one verse on the matter. The mechanism of an argument from silence is to say that because it doesn't say something in a particular sentence, it IS saying what I say. But I posted it more than once! I am too. 1 Thes 4:13- But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1 Th 4:14- For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15- For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1 Thes 4:16- For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Is Paul gaslighting us? Is God? Secret interpretation? NO! There is a general resurrection and rapture at His coming. But you cannot dismiss other scripture on the matter. How can you Paul is not saying that. ALL resurrected would INCLUDE those in Rev. 20:4! No it isn't. Job 19:25- For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Job 19:26- And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job is resurrected at the time when his redeemer stands on the earth. Is 26:19- Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Is 26:20- Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. Is 26:21- See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. Rev 11:18- And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And this, Dan 12:1- “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people everyone whose name is found written in the book will be delivered. Dan 12:2- Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. The resurrection happens when it is the worst time in history. Second coming! It's a match to Mat 25 which you posted. But you chose to leave the first verse of the passage out; Mat 25:31- When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne THAT is WHEN people are from all nations are allowed to enter into "life eternal" and others are damned.

Nor am I. Taking something away is also a mechanism of an argument from silence. I know. The text I posted declares it directly. So am I. Paul was quite specific as well. So it says "at His coming"..."ALL" If only some are in view, it will NOT be "ALL"! Gas-lighting going on? Nope...Can both be true? Absolutely! That has been answered. Look again at, "ALL." Paul is not silent. You cannot dismiss other scriptures. Its not the only ones I see. Paul declared that ALL will be resurrected at His coming.

1 Cor 15:22- For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 1 Cor 15:23- But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (parousia) Firstly, do you believe/deny the words above? I once used an example like this; I went to the stadium for the big game. I saw the quarterback, the refs, the the entire team and cheerleaders. The above sentence is proof that all the seats were empty, right? To use one sentence and pull out an argument from silence makes the bible itself or it's writers suborning falsehood/private interpretation. 1Co 15:51- Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52-In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, incorruptible, and we shall be changed. No need to add to what it says, we need to BELIEVE the scriptures. The scriptures don't contradict themselves.

1 Cor 15:22- For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 1 Cor 15:23- But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (parousia) Rom 11:24- For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree,... Rom 11:28- As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, Eph 2:15- Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Eph 2:16- And he mightthat reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby Eph 2:19- Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God Heb 3:5- And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; Heb 3:6- But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. (context:entire chapter-all O.T. saints) Heb 11:39- And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: (v.35-context: resurrection) Heb 11:40- since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. (summary:resurrection O. T. saints and us TOGETHER)

Seems self explanatory. Who are Christ's...again, self explanatory. His coming, how can we not know what that means?

The Order of Resurrection 1 Cor 15:22- For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:23- But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. In Christ, live and reign with Christ. Not in Christ, and survive the GT, wait till the 2nd resurrection.

There is only ONE that matters that thinks they were fulfilled. John 17:4- I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. That NONE are left out.

The "woman" corelates to "Daughter of Zion", "daughter of my people". Seemingly a reference to a general progeny that is crucial as a generation that sustains the lineage of the stock of the nation.

Perhaps it would do well to remember that "saints" is also used for angels. Jde 1:14- And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, It is the armies of heaven that will be with Him when He comes. As for the people who have died prior to that day, they will be resurrected and meet Him in the air immediately before the living saints are raptured. Heb 11:40- God having provided some better thing for us that they without us should not be made perfect. This verse speaks of O.T people and for that matter, it applies to the N.T. people as well. The same thing goes for all others who passed away since.

Rev 22:20- He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. AMEN

Jesus gave His life to redeem all people. He will also redeem Earth. Rev 21:5- And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isa 34:4- And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. Isa 34:5- For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. Isa 34:6- The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. Isa 34:8- For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. Isa 34:9- And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. Isa 34:10- It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever. Edom is where we are told now is in what would be Solomon's Mines. Deposits of copper ore show signs of mineing and sulfer is in that area as well. Streams turning to pitch would then pertain to the shae oil recently located in Israel and Jordan nearby. The fluids and more tar-like substance are usually found together. The electromagnetic "band" I referred to earlier at Jerusalem doesn't stop there. (see the plasmoid structure pic) It will continue southward and encounter this metal strewn pocket. Like electric stove tops the metalic content will be heated. Induction heating is is achieved by "vibrating" a magnetic field through metal. (this is probably what the real source of the heating in the core of the Earth) This will be the location of the Lake of Fire! A stat That is saw sometime in the last few years said that right now if every human on Earth stood shoulder to shoulder they would all fit in an area equal to the Los Angeles. God has plenty of room to make it in any size. Rev 20:15- And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.