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Joulre2abba

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  1. I haven't ever heard that the flood waters suddenly disappeared. As I pointed to, there is the Biblical content that the waters receded over time. If you'd read that, then your post to me of someone else claiming a sudden disappearance should be addressed to them. I'll respond to the other that you address to me on a separate post.
  2. On a particular level.. yes He does need us. The way that He needed the prophets of old to hear Him and thus get His word into the Earth where it could benefit people in need. We are here to hear Him, and to share His word with others and get it to the people in need. I take it that your mother is not saved.. for that reason she doesn't understand anything that she might hear about the Bible, she hears others who have an animosity against God. I suppose that you've tried to tell her that Paul isn't "anti-women". His message is that there's no difference between men and women.. but grace from God.. and freedom from bondage. It's only ungodly people who say that, while the Bible says that through the word of God believers can have a sound mind. There were those of Jesus' own family who thought that he was an overzealous fanatic. The same happened with my family. They scoffed and gave their opinions. I endured because I sought refuge in God through His word and prayer. And, letting it roll off like water off a duck's back. A number of years have gone by.. now, they are civil and even courteous at times. I still pray for them that their eyes be opened, their heart be receptive so that they come to the knowledge of the truth.
  3. In response to the last part that I highlighted: There is no Biblical evidence that those Gentiles believed that because we don't have any of their handwritten epistles where they claim that.
  4. It's interesting that you use the word "disappear" because there is the natural case of water evaporating. But I'd say that the majority reason is due ot underground pockets where the water went.. as big as they may be, it's feasible that there are very large pockets of water underground. Since I'm speaking in general here, to get the numbered calculations.. you can consult on the wide web. Due to the violence of the water, yes. Noah had 120 years to make the ark and grow food as well as store it on the ark. The practicality of it unfortunately is not detailed in the Bible so anything said beyond that is speculation. Here's mine. They had seed and animal fertilizer so they could have built dedicated bins and packed them with dirt to grow food. As for "after the flood" there's the detail in the Bible of Moses releasing a bird .. it flew about but returned. He did that several times until the bird brought back a twig with sprouted leaves on it. I'd venture to say that during that time, they ate from the produce of their ark-bins garden. This is from a website: "Despite the common belief that vegetation is responsible for the presence of oxygen in the atmosphere, this is not stoichiometrically sound. There is simply not enough reduced carbon in the vegetation on the planet to balance out the vast amount of oxygen in the air. Put simply, the life cycle of plants is a part of the carbon cycle, but they are really dependent upon the atmosphere rather than the other way around. Burning off (oxidizing) all the plant life on earth would use up only a small fraction of all the oxygen in the atmosphere - less than 1%." Read more: Where does Earth's oxygen come from? http://www.strangequestions.com/question/208/Where-does-Earths-oxygen-come-from.html#ixzz5nG3p6Ycv My personal response is: If oxygen comes only from plants.. how does anyone survive in Alaska? Before the flood the temperature was evenly distributed due to the firmament that surrounded the Earth, creating a terrarium effect. The collapse of the firmament, and subsequent flood changed the temperature world-wide in that there were the poles that were cold, while the lands of the Equator were warm. If you think that they would admit something that supports the Biblical record, then provide the website article. If you think a Christian is being mean about it, then why come to Christians for the information when according to you it would be readily available at any atheistic scientific study about the Biblical account of Noah's flood. In that case you would respect the studies that Christians have done about Noah's flood. Men like Faulkner, Brown, Baugh that I know of.. plus others out there too. - - - Leyla said: Ill check out drl carl baugh and your comment about the receeding waterlines on the Grand Canyon Just in case you didn't know.. dark green makes the words in black difficult to read. - - - Leyla said: I think noone tries to actively disprove the bible, Excuse me?.. have you read some of the opposing opinions that have been posted to me? - - - Leyla said the evidence just points to the opposite of what the bible tells us. The evidence that you speak of comes from the atheistic community. Which proves my point. - - - Leyla said: I could not find a single scientific peer reviewed paper ( that was well received), that supports Noahs Flood yet, but I will check out your references thank you. Walter Brown was formerly an Atheist, and now a Christian, so you might especially want to read his findings. The fact that he made his studies after he became a Christian proves again my point that the Atheists don't provide the information that supports the Bible. (my responses end here) [EDIT: I will also check out the links the others gave me but it will take some time until Im done with it] Edited 16 hours ago by Leyla
  5. The subsequent posts from me on the topic will answer your too-quick-to-make-a-judgement-before-knowing-all.. post.
  6. It seems to always be, that those who advise others.. also give their own opinion on the topic while they tell someone else to stay silent. And also when using someone else's statements.. also tell that person that they want them to stay out of it too. Regarding your opinions and use of my post in an attempt to make some point. You speak as if you thought that your opinions had scientific bases.. but from what..? Yours is merely a lack of common knowledge. However what I gave (though said in my own words) has scientific basis from two sources, Faukner and Brown, that anyone can find on the internet if they do the research.
  7. I have already answered regarding Rms.9:24-33 and Rms.10:12. I will not bother to restate what I already have on that. It is pointless for you to continue to make it a part of the discussion any further. Rms.10:19 has it's scriptural connection with 1 Pet.2:9-10. The following is addressing both Jew and Gentile believers concerning what God said to the Jews of the old testament concerning the Gentiles. Romans 10:19 "Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, "I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding." The following is addressing both Jew and Gentile believers. 1 Pet.2:9-10 "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Additionally, in Rms.10:20-21 "And Isaiah says boldly: I was found by those who were not looking for Me; I revealed Myself to those who were not asking for Me. But to Israel he says: All day long I have spread out My hands to a disobedient and defiant people." The Jews are to be envious because God gave to converted Gentiles what He gave to the Jews.. if they'd only accept it. However, even with God giving those gifts and callings to the Gentiles.. the scriptures still do not call the Gentiles "Jews", nor "Israel". But the Gentiles are still called "Gentiles". It is said of the Gentiles that they bear the fruit. It would not make the Jews jealous if the Gentiles were called "Jews", or "Israel". I'll say it another way.. If the Gentiles were called "Jews" in the new testament and using those gifts and callings.. why would the Jewish-born be jealous if (we)"Jews" and "Israel" had them? But no. We keep our Gentile identity. And God uses it to make the Jewish-born jealous. We should none of us Gentile Christians seek to theologically, or doctrinally take that purpose of dealing with the Jewish-born away from God.
  8. Your words are according to what teaching you heard and accepted as God's truth. However, it's not God's truth. If it were, then all church denominations would be preaching it. The entire chapter 17 in 2 Kings does not mention any sabbath-breaking as a reason why God punished them. What it does mention is that they worshiped the pagan gods, sacrificed their children to them, built idols in the groves, etc. The new testament says that all gentiles (nations) are now accepted by God if they believe in His Son whom He sent as the Lamb of God that takes away all their sin which they committed while sinners. The doing what is right occurs after salvation, Jms.2:17. The experience of salvation, nor the doing what is right.. does not change a gentile into an Israelite. The phrase "spiritual Israel" has no support in scripture. The only claim for the gentiles is that of a wild branch grafted into the Olive tree. It is always the case that a wild branch could just as well not be compatible with the host tree. Thus Peter thought that what God gave to the Jews was not for the gentiles.. But only God made it possible. The gentiles share in the same spiritual means of salvation through Christ that the first disciples, apostles and all Jews experienced. The gentiles also share in the callings. But the gentiles do not have share in being called Israel. The gentile Christians will always be gentiles.. even as Messianic Jews do not become gentile Christians. You cannot possibly think that you are explaining to me what the word of God says. You are simply explaining to me what you believe.
  9. Jesus was at a wedding.. a typical place for there to be wine and for it run out. Jesus did it because his mother urged him to. Not the Father. But, an obedient son will obey his parents.
  10. Which Gentiles? .. I'm surprised that you think that there's a difference. If you think that there is a difference, then you are reading something into it that isn't there in the scriptures. Rms.9:24-26 is applied to both the Messianic Jews and the Gentiles... likewise is 1 Cor.12:27; Eph.5:30. .. for all in Christ are the children of God, and therefore all are in and of the body of Christ. Rms.10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." If you are thinking that what I post is because my position is that the Church is Israel.. I do not believe that. The Bible states that the gentiles have share in the inheritance of the saints (the Jews). That share does not make the gentiles "Israel". The Bible says that we gentiles are a wild branch grafted in to the Olive tree. So in that we share in the callings that God gave to the Jews. Such as being a priesthood under the leadership of The High Priest.
  11. Hosea 2:23 referred to the Jews that God had divorced because they had played the harlot. They broke covenant with Him. However, the gentile unbelievers have also been in the same position in not being the people of God. Then through Christ had become the people of God. Even as the number of Jews had accepted Yeshua HaMashiach and once again became the people of God. In the unsaved state, there is no difference between the unfaithful Jew walking in darkness and the unbelieving Gentile walking in darkness. Rm.9:24-26 "Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles…I will call them my people, which were not my people; …And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, [Hosea 1:10], Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God." (See also Hosea 2:23). So, while the words first applied to the actual Children of Israel, or Israelites, Peter now applies them to both Jewish-born and gentile Christians who make up “spiritual Israel”, or “the Israel of God”! Peter could not have made himself any more clear! [concerning Rm.9 and contents, quoted from article "To whom do Peter's words apply?"]
  12. Brown said in so many words other than "splashing floodwater". Read again. I have a book by Walt Brown who theorized much as Danny Faulkner. Brown adds that the fountains of the great deep launched the solar system asteroids and comets. Faulkner stated that there were meteors flying around at the time of Noah's flood, but he didn't say as much as Brown did. He (Brown) theorized that the debris from the Earth caused the crater impacts on the moon.
  13. If you feel that you need improvement before you could be worthy of heaven.. then just think of the thief on the cross. Jesus said to him "Today you will be with Me in paradise." It says in John 6:37 "To those who come to Me, I will in no wise cast them out." Yes, we want to be as polished as we can be.. but our being a new creature in Christ Jesus assures our entrance into heaven. Our striving for improvements has to do with what level of rewards we get at the Bema Seat.
  14. While writing my post I'd planned on adding more before submitting but got called away, then when I returned I forgot to add the rest of it. So here it is now. I have a book by Walt Brown who theorized much as Danny Faulkner. Brown adds that the fountains of the great deep launched the solar system asteroids and comets. Faulkner stated that there were meteors flying around at the time of Noah's flood, but he didn't say as much as Brown did. He theorized that the debris from the Earth caused the crater impacts on the moon. The Noah's flood waters escaping the earth's atmosphere theory would explain to me why there are watery (plus other elements) comets orbiting around the solar system.
  15. I was using the article from the answers in Genesis website. The article was written by Dr. Danny R. Faulkner called "The Biblically Based Cratering Theory". His bio in part states that he holds an MS in Physics from Clemson University and an MA and PhD in Astronomy. Perhaps it would seem less like a child's story if you go and read the article yourself.
  16. I agree with your use of Exod. to show that the Jewish people have a great calling in future... however, your conclusion to limit it only to the children of Israel is in contradiction with what the apostle Peter wrote in his first epistle to all believers that they/we are "a chosen race and a royal priesthood and a holy nation. For you once were not a people but now you are a people of God." unto these Peter also wrote ".. a people for God's own possession; that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness and into His marvelous light." It is much the same as what the apostle Paul said "you have share in the inheritance of the saints in light for you were delivered out of darkness and translated, transferred into the kingdom of God's dear son in whom is redemption and forgiveness of all sin."
  17. What you are ascribing to the soul is actually the spirit of man. The spirit of man is the inner man, the hidden man of the spirit being that is the person. That is the part of the believer that makes contact with God.. in prayer.. and by His word that is spirit. And is addressed first to the spirit man.. although it can be and is of benefit to the soul and body as well. The heart (spirit man) believes. The word of God is like a seed that is sown in the heart. The soul is to meditate on that word that was sown in the heart. And out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.. without even prior thinking of what to say. That way the answer of the tongue is from the Lord. When a person (consisting of spirit, soul and body) is dead, it is because the spirit has left the body. The soul is the intellect, the thinking area of man. The soul is where dreams are. The soul is where emotions come from. The soul remembers. The body connects with the world by the 5 senses. The spirit man is where the Spirit of God resides in the believer. God does not reside in the soul. God does not reside in the body. The body eats food that sustains the body. The soul feeds on intellectual food, or amusements, or meditates on God's word. The spirit feeds on God's word to grow thereby. (Peter said "desire the sincere milk of the word to grow thereby".. Jesus said "man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God".. Jeremiah said "I found your word and ate it and it was to me a delight of my heart.".. Paul said "I delight in the law of God according to my inner man.") The higher functions of the soul can not attain to or understand the spiritual things of God. They must be revealed by the Spirit of God to the spirit man. (1 Cor.2:9-10) The Bible says of God "Surely You desire truth in the inmost being; You teach me wisdom in the inmost place." Abstract thought and intellect are what the ungodly use therefore that cannot be spirit. To the ungodly God said "My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts are higher than your thoughts." And therefore the thoughts and intellect cannot be spirit for the believer either. God said to the believers "Lean not to your own understanding but trust in the Lord with all your heart."
  18. When we all get to heaven what a day of rejoicing that will be! When we all see Jesus we'll sing and shout the victory!
  19. It is true that Jews and Christians have no distinction because all are in Christ. However, according to what I have written in my posts, I'm speaking in regard to the apostles.. if they meant to convey that all Jews & Christians.. are Israel, then the apostles would have used the word "Israel" at anytime that they were speaking of all believers in Christ. But, the apostles don't do that. They always refer to the Jews and Christians as "the church". It is always the church., not ever Israel. In order to distinguish between the non-Messianic Jews who alone are called Israel. That is why I used the scripture verse in 1 Cor.10:32 .. that verse makes distinction between Jews, Christians and the nations.
  20. I said "The Messianic Jews, and the Gentile Christians are not Israel. They are the Church." What we become by adoption is heirs of Christ. If God doesn't make distinctions, then we are not to give ourselves the distinction of being Israel.
  21. The unsaved have Satan as their foster-father and landlord. We once did too, but we have been delivered out of the authority of darkness and translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son. Satan is the god of this world, but make Jesus your landLord.
  22. The apostle Paul states that we are of the wild branch that is engrafted into the original olive tree. (Rm.11:17-24) We are partakers of the saints in light. (Col.1:12) The saints in that context referring to the Jews whom God has called to be the light of the world, God having chosen them to be in covenant with Him.. Abraham being the first, he is the father of faith to us all. The apostle Paul was first a Jew outwardly, then He became a Jew inwardly.. a Messianic Jew.. an apostle of God's light unto the Gentiles (Rm.11:13). The Messianic Jews, and the Gentile Christians are not Israel. They are the Church. The Church does not become Israel. We are engrafted into the Olive Tree, we do not become the Tree. The Church does not replace Israel. There are three.. The Jews- Israel. The Church- the Body of Christ. The Gentiles- the nations. (1 Cor.10:32)
  23. Am I mistaken or that sounds like you are separating the two. The apostle Paul said to pray without ceasing. So stay in contact with the Lord by conversing in prayer fellowship all the time. Another way to be aware of His presence is to praise the Lord throughout the day.. whenever you're not talking to anyone else. Praise Him for His grace in your salvation.. praise Him because He is good and His mercy endures forever. Look up scriptures of praise and quote them to God. Locate scripture verses that talk about God's presence and begin to make them your confessions of His awareness. Or select a scripture to think about throughout the day. Fellowship with God over it. Ask questions about it, even though you might not hear any answer from God that time. He could still lead you to the answer when you read your Bible next time. If He doesn't.. don't quit. Christianity is about relationship, so cultivate one with God.
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