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Thank you for that, Rev.Man- I am actually going to print out what you said (I'm weird like that, lol), and really look at it closely- I particularly like what you said here... I truly believe God will honor our willingness to trust in Him to show us what He wants us to know, and our reason (wisdom) for doing so. Thanks again

I appreciate the input and thoughts- I'm just concerned that there are so many ways to interpret everything, and it causes a lot of...confusion- simply because every interpretation is from the interpreter, and everyone believes their interpretation is the right one- there has to be a simpler way to understand these things, to make sense of them or to at least understand what is happening. It's sort of like a 'can't see the forest for the trees' type of thing, lol. I guess at the end of the day, we may have to see it from a sort of 'hindsight is 20/20' viewpoint, because I have to be honest, it's just a mystery to me and all I can do is read it, ask God for wisdom to understand at least some of it, and hope that He will. It's like Israel becoming a nation again, there were quite a few who studied prophecy back in the 1800's who insisted that the bible pointed towards Israel becoming a nation again, and people thought they were nuts to even imagine such a thing, but yet- My brain hurts, lol.

Revelation 7:9 It then moves on to one of the elders asking John if he knows who they are, and the elder saying they came out of the great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Not tribulation martyrs, but obviously something else. This comes after the opening of the scroll and the seven seals- I'm paraphrasing, here. Here's what I'm finding interesting about this particular part of Revelation- let's suppose for the sake of conjecture, we'll read it as it is written- it seems to be saying that after the opening of the sixth seal there is some sort of earthquake, sun turns black, moon turns red, the heavens 'receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.', and then kings, princes, generals, rich, mighty, everyone hid in caves and rocks and mountains begging to be hid from "the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?" Ok- so I'm wondering a couple of things, here: 1. Are those who are standing before the throne with palm branches those who have been raptured? Because it certainly would seem to be so, at first (or 20th) reading- they have 'washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb", which I'm thinking is salvation and not martyrdom? 2. Obviously, the 'great day of God's wrath' is coming, those who are begging for the rocks and mountains to fall on them, and hiding in the caves (and it's stating everyone, not just rich/generals/kings/princes...) knew exactly what was coming - In a previous verse (6:9-11), we have those who had been slain "because of God's word and the testimony they had maintained", but I would wonder if these are tribulation martyrs, or...? 3. Then, there is the seventh seal and silence in heaven for about half an hour-and then it continues with the angel throwing the censer filled with fire from the altar down to the earth, and the thunder, lightening, and earthquake that ensues followed by the seven trumpets. So! I guess my original question would be: do you think this is the rapture happening before the wrath of God, but after some pretty serious things have already begun on earth....like they seem to be doing these days? Secondly....it would seem when the sky rolled up, etc., that if this, indeed, was the rapture- that those on earth left knew exactly what was going down. Thoughts?

I keep thinking to myself that the men Jesus chose as His disciples were not learned men, they weren't the Pharisees of the day, or the noted speakers or book-wise....they were simple fishermen, although I believe...Matthew was a tax collector. And yet....these men 'wrote' what we now consider to be our...roadmap to the last days, the tribulation, the antichrist, all of it, literally. Of course not counting Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, the other 'end times' prophecy books. What made them different in the things that they wrote, is God was leading and speaking through them, making His plans known to mankind through these simple men. 2 Corinthians says, "My strength is made perfect in weakness"..... We don't have to be scholars, or anything else to understand the things that are coming upon the world. We don't have to dissect every single word to find hidden meaning, or veiled things, although that doesn't mean studying and learning is a bad thing unless it, for want of a better phrase, means we 'can't see the forest, for the trees'. God is perfectly capable of giving us the wisdom to understand these things- and that is what it says in Rev. " Let him who has wisdom..." - Not a Master's in theology, or dead languages, or anything else. Wisdom comes from above. We all have opinions and thoughts on what's what insofar as end times prophecy goes...it can be so confusing when there are so many different thoughts and ideas, it's hard to sort it all out and make sense out of it. My own thought is to pray, ask God for wisdom to understand, and to watch what happens with the various things that are coming our way. My humble two-cents, lol.

Hebrews 4:12-16 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

I personally think it is some sort of actual, identifying 'mark' that will either be...applied on, or in, like a chip or something of some sort. I say that because of the whole 'no man can buy or sell without the mark or the number of his name (?)'.... Because how has anyone ever, anywhere (as a whole) 'bought or sold' anything at all without some sort of system of...cash, payment, barter, etc.? There has always been some sort of exchange, as it were- my own thoughts on it, and again, these are MY thoughts- is that we can look at this, and look at this, and look at it some more- and come up with as many ideas as there are people looking, no two the same, and on it goes. Or...we can look at it and take it, simply, at face value and understand that it means pretty much what it says it means- that without this particular mark, or the number of the beast's name, people will be unable to buy, sell, or pretty much navigate around in society at all. And to take this number or name will identify a person as having given allegiance to the antichrist, not only here in this life but in the afterlife as well, and ending a person's chance of salvation. I believe it will be a knowledgeable choice that is made, but I don't think it's something that isn't....real, and physically tangible- sort of like our credit cards, etc.- just because we don't completely understand how this would be implemented, doesn't mean that it couldn't go down that way- sort of like..the Nephilim, I sure don't get that one at all, but just because I don't understand it sure doesn't mean it isn't the way things were, lol. It just means...I can't see the big picture, and I can't understand the way that I wish I could...which causes faith to come into play. Sorta the same deal here- we come up with various things that make 'sense' to us, because it's sort of a...comfort thing, we want to understand- we're uncomfortable when we don't- therefore, we constantly try to come up with things that sort of 'jibe' with what we think- hey, I'm just as guilty as the next person, lol~ It would seem that our biggest problem, is not knowing exactly what sort of 'form' this mark is going to take- microchip, tattoo-type, who knows- it would seem to be an identifying system, a total control system where everyone- EVERYone, is accounted for ('all people)- Rev. 13, 16-18 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. Sometimes, the answer is much simpler than we think, and sometimes we're unable to see it because of that. I'm not saying that this is one of those times, but it could be. But that's just me, lol.

I've been watching this and I'm surprised a lot of others aren't as well- Schwab created, pretty much, the world econ. forum, the whole situation in Davos, etc.- I went to the website to see what it was all about, and I was stunned. Literally. The enormity, the...steadfastness to the agenda purported, the vastness, power, and financial...massiveness of their 'partners'... and these are not people who are like Keystone Kops, running around in circles, smacking into each other, no- they are on it. Seriously. It has to do with...in a tiny, tiny nutshell, a new sort of capitalism where 'they' own it, and we 'rent it'....and I mean everything. On the site, they spoke of what has been done in the past regarding a couple of types of capitalism...one being state owned, the second being like the U.S....and now, this new one- My 'thoughts' are that this is huge. Massive in its possibilities, frightening in its being honed with nothing left undone. Go to the site. You'll freak. I freaked. Everyone can say, 'ohhhh, it's nothing, no big deal, nothing to see here, nothing like hasn't been tried before, blah blah blah...'....but I don't think that's what this is, not at all. I just recently saw something regarding flights and a few well known airlines, I can't recall which ones, but they are set up now where you have to show that you either rec'd the vaccine, or you're tested before, after, in between, whatever...or you can't fly. And there was also something in there about spanning out to various other things such as...sporting events, concerts, etc....there was something about an app that was already in play to cover the entire situation, and I remember thinking, "wow, this is sorta spreading out world-wide, they are taking into consideration those who don't have access to smart phones, lost paperwork proof that one has taken the vaccine/tested...this could quickly turn into a massive control issue..."....and then, 3/4 of the way down the story, I see world econ. forum and a couple of other 'partners' were behind and initiating it. Go check out the website. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see this turn into what we all have been watching and waiting for in regard to the One World the antichrist will step in and take over from. Like I said, it's vast, just...huge. And it's like a well-oiled and finely tuned machine. Signs of the Times, people.... We've never seen things fall into place for a situation such as this to actually be able to come into being, since this world-wide pandemic has landed, and things such as technology, knowledge, just...the world and the way it is now,are just ripe for it this time.

“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28. OP, reading your original post just made me tear up- I have so been there, and so done that...and been so looked down upon and judged by members of my church at the time due to the Big D. I felt guilt and shame and everything else, and God knew and He saw in my heart of hearts, He knew where I was at with all of it, deep, deep down where no one but God could see. And He knows your heart as well, and He understands every, single facet of what you and they went through- I always wonder why people can be so horrifically judgmental about divorce, and I think it's because...in part...it's something that is public, and can't necessarily be hidden away like so many people will and can hide other things away. I won't say it is 'sin', because again....God knows what we all did, and why we did it- better than anyone looking at the situation from the outside. I was the one many years ago who left my ex- God knew my reasons for it, and let me tell you....I agonized over what I was doing because I felt such guilt due to bible verses on divorce, etc.- to make a very long story short, I literally threw myself on God's mercy, begged Him for forgiveness...and just opened up my heart about all of it to Him, because nobody knew my story or my reasons for doing what I did better than He did. And although I can't imagine how I ever deserved such a blessing from God, I have been married to the kindest, most wonderful man for the last 14 years- my ex passed away last year, and we were all on very good terms. And that's all I will say about all of that, lol. What I do want to say, in closing is....never think that you are 'less than' for being divorced. Let people think and say and do what they will think and say and do....but God knows your heart, He understands your reasons..and He loves you and He will work a beautiful thing in your life, I'm sure of it

I agree with this assessment, but I also think that there comes a point in time in order for prophecy to be fulfilled, that things have to continue moving in the direction they are destined to move in- and I definitely agree that as morally vacant as our country has become, we are still an impediment to the NWO, and they, whoever 'they' are, are determined to change that. In my lifetime as well, I have never seen things start to move as quickly and in such a huge and radical way as they are now- and by that, I mean moving toward the obvious conclusion of a NWO, and it will just snowball from there, i believe- when prophetic things that are to happen begin to happen, is it just me, or do they seem to just...start, and then WHOOOOOSH! ? Lol. I had to drop a tiny bit of humor in there. A tiny bit, lol.

Sometimes, we can study and dissect verses and words to the point that we can come up with several meanings, which cause confusion a lot of the time. I'm not saying that careful contemplation is wrong or anything, but we all have to admit that sometimes? We are looking so hard, that we 'can't see the forest for the trees', you know? I'm always reminded of Isaiah 66:8 - Unless there is an argument about what this verse means or who it is pertaining to (and we all know there will be, lol), I've always understood it to be the nation of Israel, and their rebirth in later history after they had pretty well disappeared from the worldly...well, been scattered so far and wide that the idea they could come back and into their own land was somewhat of a 'pipe dream', the 'next year, in Jerusalem' idea. And yet, it happened and literally, in a day- with the Balfour Declaration and bam, there it was! No sooner was Zion in labor than she gave birth to her children...in their own land, never to leave again I believe. The incidents leading up to Israel becoming a nation once again were horrific, but yet they did become a nation again, in a day, just as was prophesied. A mark on the right hand or forehead, no buying or selling without the mark or the 'number of his name', etc.- we can say, 'no, this has already happened in the past', or 'a mark on the hand/forehead is purely symbolic!', but let's just say for the sake of conjecture...that it hasn't already happened, and it isn't symbolic....that leaves us with a very real situation on our hand(s), no pun intended... I think that we need to watch, prayerfully, and ask the Lord to open our eyes to what is going on, to give us wisdom and the ability to understand what we are seeing happening, instead of what we decide the 'reality' is...we can all read the 'facts', but people are going to decipher those facts in different ways- it's like that old story about the 5 (4? 6? Whatever, lol) blind men all touching the elephant and describing what they were 'seeing', and each one of them came up with a different description as to what the elephant 'looked like', in relation to whatever part of the elephant they happened to be touching- and yet, it was all the same elephant. Another example would be something I've always believed in, or did for a very long time, and that would be a pre-trib rapture. I was raised on it, I believed it for the majority of my life, and then later on as I read, contemplated, asked the Lord to open my eyes in regards to it, etc.- I leaned more toward a possible mid-trib rapture. At this point in my life, I'm not sure if I am leaning toward pre or mid- but this much I do know: that I don't know for sure, lol- But! The Lord most definitely does~ and whether it is pre-trib rapture (which would be awesome), or mid-trib, I want to be hidden away in the Lord to be ready for either eventuality. And I think it's definitely the same with this: we need to consider that it could possibly be symbolic, etc.- or that it could most possibly be coming down the road right at us, and literal in every sense. To assume it isn't literal is to be completely unprepared for what could happen if it is literal. Just my opinion

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Brace yourself? I honestly wouldn't have a clue as to how I would go about 'bracing myself' for something that terrifying. I don't know who this pastor is, but it surprises me that prayer wasn't part of that dream-but then, that's just me- and who am I, you know? If this dream is a true word from God, it will happen. If not, it won't.

George Soros? He's, like....150 years old, hateful, there is nothing in this man or about him that would attract people to him enough to want to worship him, lol. I will agree, though, that there are others behind the scenes who run pretty much everything but stay far out of the limelight while they do their nefarious works. If I had to take a guess and read the 'signs of the times', as it were, I would say that we are literally hurtling into the end times at a faster pace than I've ever seen before in all of my life- I've been around for a good long time, I won't say just how long, lol- but it's been quite a while- and in my lifetime I have never seen things in the shape they are today- it's frightening, unprecedented (at least in my life), and it's like a big, huge train wreck you pass by...you don't want to look, but you just can't help yourself...

I had actually read something some years ago about wanting to make Mary coredemptrix, which was just....wow, out there.

I've heard about the whole recombinant DNA as well, I first heard about it in a youtube video from Doug Hamp, he was doing a sermon at a church somewhere in California, I think- I had also heard about it (and Doug Hamp, in fact, who was being questioned in this particular film) in a documentary about new age, channeling, etc. (Christian view) by a guy named Gonz Shimura- he had mentioned the book of Jasher and Enoch as well- these, of course, are not in the bible so one sees them more as commentaries as opposed to actual scripture- but the whole idea of DNA splicing with other...species (?) is definitely something to give one pause- I think of the various experiments going on in the world with cloning, and adding various attributes' to animals from other species of animal in order that they have different, or possibly superior attributes than they had naturally- I keep thinking of some...fish? Frog? I honestly can't recall what I was reading about a while back, where they gave them the ability to 'glow' a certain color in the dark, it was just...nuts. Or another about a goat, or something (I honestly don't remember at all) that had some sort of attribute of a spider added to it because of the strength of its web material, I just don't recall what it was- I could possibly have the goat wrong, but I definitely don't have the spider part wrong because I remember thinking at the time how absolutely creepy it was to even think about (the mixing of the two in any way, shape, or form)--- The Iron and Clay reference in Daniel- maybe it pertains to both a weakness as well as the merging of man and machine, or man and...something else- but one thing I definitely agree wholeheartedly with you on, 100%, is the fact that, yes- we are in dire, dire straits these days with no clue where we are heading, and in my own opinion I feel that this is a time to really get close to the Lord, deep into the Word of God, and hang on for dear life- because there won't be anything more solid than Him to hang on to in the coming whenever. Wow...I bum myself out, sometimes with this stuff- LOL