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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    Further details: The family environment Most nurture theories focus on the parent-child relationship. Male homosexuals often have a dominant, supportive mother and a weak, remote or hostile father.[46] Lesbians may have had a dysfunctional mother-daughter relationship. This view has been popularised by Elisabeth Moberly who believes that homosexual orientation is the result of unmet same sex-love needs in childhood.[47] Martin Hallett, Director and Counsellor at True Freedom Trust, has found that the majority of male homosexuals counselled identified very much with this lack of intimate bonding with the father or any other male role model.[48] The heterosexual identity is not established and the unaffirmed child later suffers from a lack of confidence and fear of failure in heterosexual contacts. He tries to meet his unmet same-sex needs through sexual relationships. Sara Lawton,[49] a Christian counsellor specialising in lesbianism and sex-abuse, sees the root of female homosexuality as an unmet need for mother love which becomes sexualised in the adult and may be compounded by repressed trauma such as adoption and sexual abuse. The parent-child relationship can also be disturbed through death or divorce. Saghir and Robins found that 18% of homosexual men and 35% of lesbians had lost their father through death or divorce by the age of ten. The figures for heterosexuals were 9% and 4% respectively.[50] Up to 70% of homosexual adults describe themselves as having been 'sissies' or 'tomboys' as children;[51] still, most adult homosexuals do not fit the effeminate male or masculine female stereotype. Source: https://www.cmf.org.uk/resources/publications/content/?context=article&id=630
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    I didn't "come up with a story". I reported that my findings matched that of a secular counselor, neither of us having a biased agenda. Obviously, you find this fact overwhelming/amazing because you can see the statistical significance involved. Sexual imprinting is true among humans and the animal kingdom. When a person's first sexual encounter is with a same sex abuser, pre-pubescent, the imprint is strong. And a lot of homosexuality is a curiosity/desire to know more about one's absent caregiver. There are other factors that tend toward homosexuality, including hormonal drive--studies have shown that more libidinous people (naturally) tend toward adultery outside marriage and/or homosexual expression--lust, naturally, drives to seek outlets. This makes homosexuality a heritable trait--people with genetic drives are more likely to--rather than "inherited". In other words, as always, the Bible is right--here where it teaches lust plus cultural acceptance of sinful norms lead to increased indulgence in sinful sexuality and sensuality. I do not have the reference handy for the statistic from the counselor, however, I do remember reading this and thinking "Ah!!!" and since that time, every person I've spoken with also has this factor(s) in their personal background. I've even counseled people who said they wanted counsel because a friend was dealing with homosexual desire and when I said, "same sex abuse and/or distant relationship with same sex parent", they said, "Oh! Okay! It's me, not my 'friend' and I've had that/those in my own life."
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    And my agenda for lying about this is...? Let's be Socratic. Talk to some gay people. Find out more. Prove me right or wrong. Then we can discuss the difference between heritable and inherited genetic traits and etc. Thanks.
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    Hi Thomas, I did back my assertion--I've testified that every person I've encountered, gay friends and family, and via witnessing, agrees--they had a distant same sex parent/guardian and/or were indoctrinated in their youth. Every person.
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    Grieving the Holy Spirit

    The relationship with me or with Jesus Christ? I don't understand.
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    sin

    Good point. Chastity is what straight, abstinent people pursue, there is no "I cannot help acting out sexually" excuse for straights or gays. We are humans in God's image, and not mere animals.
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    Grieving the Holy Spirit

    It may be time to consider salvation: 1) Are you sure you sincerely trusted in Christ, for salvation, telling God you cannot save yourself and receive Jesus's death and resurrection instead? 2) Have you remembered that God was silent to some of His greatest leaders, for decades at a time?
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    King Saul

    Saul was not a NT Christian, born again. Saul showed where he loved and trusted the Lord, though. Perhaps he was saved, perhaps not.
  9. In each of the four places in the NT where foreknowledge/predestination is mentioned, it is referring to believers. Here in Romans is the concept that Christians are predestined to become like Christ (at the Return/Rapture). The lost have free will, which is why John says, "You can pray about it, rejection of Christ leads to eternal death, but..."
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    Modest attire

    By allowing for freedom where the Bible gives such--and specifics where it gives such: 1) Sensuality/arousal is meant for married couples 2) Wear clothing that avoid such BUT 3) Your faith and conscience are the guide
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    I don't know why she was removed from the thread, but I would encourage others in similar situation to stick to logic and scripture--and help brothers and sisters adhere more closely to God's Word.
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    We all try to cut people slack where we can--since we're born again. The Bible has not instance where it says, however, "This sin is okay with God, because there were circumstances..." Can you think of one?
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    I understand, but: 1) Justin's childhood is promoted by Justin only, Justin having an agenda. 2) I consider genetics, hormones, etc. Will you consider the psychologist who counseled 300 gay men, finding the same among 298, with no Christian agenda? 3) The Torah specifically says kings of Israel are not to be polygamous. David paid a heavy price for what he did. Likewise, the Bible records the sin of many persons, without saying "It's okay with God to sin."
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    Thanks for your response--I see you care--I care as well, as I have gay family and friends and also, people I counsel in the church with these issues. Here are some thoughts: 1) In the book, does Justin's father describe his own lifestyle? Are counselors' remarks included, people who have interviewed Justin and/or his father, or only Justin's? I've spoken to many people who told me, "I had a happy childhood" and then later, "My father was absent in my life" including children of preachers. 2) If Justin is a different case, how much weight should that have against a secular counselor who found two root causes for 298 of 300 men? Should we change our fundamental understanding for Justin, who makes it 3 in 300 men or 1% in a case study? 3) Exodus was accused of bringing all back to abuse or experimentation. Are you understanding it seems to be 1) abuse 2) distant relations with a same sex parent, since homosexuality is an exploration for a man of what a male is and for a woman, of what a woman is? Meaning, Exodus was working from half the root causes only, if I understand what you're saying is right. 4) Witchcraft and polygamy are not punished today via capital punishment. Are they horrific to us as born agains? Of course. Is homosexuality "okay" since it finds the same lists in both testaments as capital crimes? 5) Do I tell people, as you asked, in counseling, that "homosexuality is okay, because the commands relate to Adam and Noah, the two people told to multiply"? I do not. Homosexuality isn't discussed with Adam and Noah, apart from God's institution of Adam's marriage as with Eve. The Hebrews and NT saints are also warned against homosexuality. 6) I understand what you are saying regarding the Hebrew and paedophilia, however, you have statements like "if a man lies with a man, as he would a woman," not "if a man lies with a child, as he would a woman", one reason most scholars do not accept the "paedophilia, not homosexuality, is condemned" theory.
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    sin

    1) People who sin after salvation are still saved, yes. 2) Check this loved one's salvation, His new Father should be dealing with him holistically, including sexuality. 3) Christians who persist in homosexuality, suffer. Help your loved one to avoid suffering.
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    Our culture pressures people. When I was a child, it was the norm to think "girls have coodies" when prepubescent. Now young people who dislike the opposite gender are bombarded with "born gay" messages. Likewise, it's the norm for young men to idolize male athletes or role models, especially where Dad is passive. The deadly combination of same sex abuse and/or a distant parent comes up EVERY time I've counseled gay people in the church and EVERY time I've witnessed to gay persons. If I was counseling Justin Lee, we would discuss his relationship with his dad and his dad's behavior. Regarding the Law, Christians serve a higher law--the law says no adultery but we are not to even be emotionally involved outside marriage. The law condemns murder but we are to avoid even unrighteous anger. There are 18 Bible passages in both testaments regarding homosexuality. None are positive or laudatory in any way.
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    I'm sympathetic and not judgmental, however, a secular therapist reported that of 300 gay men he'd counseled, 298 either had same sex abuse or a bad relationship with their father early in life. Homosexual desire is not a choice, sexual activity is. "I can't help being gay" and "I cannot help being straight" aren't reasons to have sex before marriage.
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    USING GOD'S NAME IN VAIN

    Sure. Thank you.
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    ROMANS 14 and homosexuality

    Homosexual and heterosexual desire are not a choice; homosexual and heterosexual activity are of choice. A person who was abused by same sex abusers as a prepubescent teen may have a much harder time overcoming homosexual desire then someone who had a gay experience by choice in college or high school. I know several people in the church who have had a gay orientation/desire and are now hopeful for future heterosexual relationships. After counseling, word study and prayer they have had heterosexual desires also.
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    USING GOD'S NAME IN VAIN

    Certainly. I was just giving the context for the 14 centuries of law before Jesus said, "Don't take vows and swear."
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    possible awareness about a friend.....

    You are asking whether you can be friends with a Jewish person who has similar issues? I bet you can. Just don't get involved unless he converts!
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    USING GOD'S NAME IN VAIN

    When you swear an oath by God, when you consider the greatness of God's name, do not do so lightly. Don't overcomplicate things: 1) Make sure you've trusted Jesus, who is perfect, to pay for your imperfection via His cross and resurrection. 2) Receive freedom from Jesus Christ.
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    Distraction

    Here's a book that will help you: https://www.amazon.com/Laws-Attraction-Christian-Pickups-Relationships/dp/1499243286
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    John 6 and 20

    No--the Roman church came after John 6 and 20 and reinterpreted the scriptures to define Catholic communion. It's not a "prophecy" in the Bible.
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    Becoming a foster parent?

    You are giving much of your life to impact one life at a time. There will be trials--kids in foster homes suffer, many times, before you adopt--but blessings. Bless you!
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