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  1. Let me state from the beginning that not all women who are associated with the Feminist Movement are there to feminize and castrate men, but that element is there and has taken control of power. “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” [Genesis 3:16] Many Christians who claim that the entire bible is inspired of God reject this part of the word of God that command the man to rule over the woman. Are you offended in this command of the Lord? Before you reject the Word of God on this point, maybe we should try to get a better understanding of why God would demand that man should not allow the woman to rule him. If God commanded the man to rule over her, He must have had His reason for this. It was the woman who was so easily deceived by Lucifer into breaking God’s law: “And the man said, the woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.” [Genesis 3:12] “And the LORD God said unto the woman, what is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.” [Genesis 3:13] Look at the order of events; first evil entered the Garden of Eden in the form of Lucifer [Satan] from there this evil entered the woman, from that point she was the servant of Satan, and she served his purpose perfectly. So now these two conspired to cause the man’s fall, notice Adam did not blame Lucifer, but he blamed the woman for his fall. It seems God also blamed the woman, because he asked the woman, “what is this thou hast done?” Adam is not blameless in this, but the conspirators were Satan and the woman; the woman, the man’s weakness! Now the woman is God’s greatest gift to man, except for the Son of God, but she can also be his undoing. Kings have been knocked off their thrones because of weakness for women. The anointed King Solomon turned to devil worship and built temples to devils and angered the Lord who had appeared to his twice, all because of the women in his life. The anointed King David committed murder because of his lust for a woman, so he was not allowed to build the Temple of the Lord because of this sin. The power of a woman over a man is great, when Adam obeyed the voice of the woman instead of the voice of his God, that was an act of worship to the woman. Even in many men’s proposer of marriage to a woman he kneels before her, he’s either in a position of beggar or worshiper, anyway it goes he places himself below her or in a submissive position, from the start she rules over him. Whose voice one listen to and obey, that one becomes his or her master, so now the woman has gained mastery over the man, but God warned the man to rule over her. By Adam disobeying God he created a terrible thing; the worship of the woman. It would be this worship of the woman that would be man’s undoing in these end-times. Man sins against the woman; God intended that man should rule over her in love, but the sexual lust in man for her caused man to abuse her, but he’s in a pickle, he abuses her and yet he worships her. The woman, being the more conning of the two, though she in physically weaker than he, would use her [not all women] conning to in the end feminize and castrate him. Seeing as how she is the physically weaker of the two, she must make the man weak, she must soften his manhood, she must feminize him. We will get more into the feminization of man later, but for now, let’s return to the beginning. Let me again state that not all women are out to feminize the man and destroy his manhood, but there is the opposite of the feminized man which is the masculine woman. This masculine woman hates man because she is not man, this masculine woman is known as the lesbian. She is an abomination before God, she not only hates man, but she has even more hatred for the masculine God who created the man in his image and did not create her as a man. This hatred for man and God started long before God called Abraham out to father a people for himself. In fact, this is the very God hating goddess worshiping demonic religion that God called Abraham to separate himself from. Abraham was born and raised in Ur of the Chaldees, which is in modern Iraq, near Nasiriyah in the southeastern part of the country, Abraham and his father served other Gods. -Joshua 24 :2. In Ur, the goddess that Abraham and his father worshiped was Nanna, the moon god. There were great temples and monuments erected to this moon god Nanna, around 2100 B C Ur-Nammu built and dedicated the great Ziggurat to Nanna. Even today we are hearing more and more grand-children calling their grandmothers Nanna. There were many gods worshiped in Ur, but the goddess Nanna ruled supreme, the god above all gods, because she was seen as the source of fertility for herds and crops and the blessing of families. So, from the time Adam bowed to Eve and did an act of worship to her by obeying her voice instead of the voice of God, man has been worshiping the woman ever since, in the physical and in the spiritual as his goddess. Now I’m not saying that Adam continued to worship Eve, but that sin of Adam opened the door of worship of the woman, the woman God said he was to rule. This woman that the man has now become to worship is known by many names, but it’s the same demon that hates him and God. In different countries at different times in history she is known by different names. She is known as: Aphrodite [Greek] Arianrhod [Celtic] Bast [Egyptian] just a few names this file demon is known by. “In ancient Rome, the galli (galloi in Greek, Latin singular gallus), translated as both "cocks" and "Galatians," were castrated priests of Cybele, the Asian Mother Goddess, and of the Syrian goddess Atagartis. They were named after the river Gallus, whose waters supposedly drove people crazy but also helped purge them. The cult of Cybele was widespread, like that of Dionysus. People other than the galli, such as priestesses and musicians and other adherents, participated in the mystery rituals of the cult, which included role-playing and inducing states of ecstasy, but only the galli were officiants. The many-faceted literary evidence presents the galli as figures of unmanliness for having abdicated male cultural responsibility. As Craig Williams notes, "Castration is an extreme instance of a conceptual all-ornothing tendency that pervades Roman texts: softening a male constitutes a direct infringement upon his masculine identity." Moreover, since they adopted women's clothing and seemed to prefer the receptive role in anal intercourse (in violation of the rigid Roman gender system), the galli are an important factor in the history of gender and sexuality as well.” [Nikolai Endres] This Cybele, the Asian Mother Goddess is the very same Nanna the father of Abraham worshiped, she hates manly men and all men who completely submits to her, she will defile in the worst way. It is this same evil spirit that is worshiped in the Church of Rome to this day, now she is known as Mother Mary, queen of heaven. To this very day she castrates her priest and perverts them sexually. She tells her priest that it forbidden for them to ever have sexual relationships with women, they are not allowed to marry. Now she has many young priest, young men going years with a female sexual contact, something has got to give. This evil spirit so-called queen of heaven know its pretty much impossible for a man to go through life without having sexual desire, if he’s a man at some point he will desire a woman. Now she doesn’t mind him having sex, just not with a woman. They can have sex with each other or with little boys. Notice that just about all the cases of Catholic priest molesting children is with boys, and very few girls. So, throughout the history of the world, this file sexually pervert spirit has continued its assault on manhood, this evil spirit didn’t just inhabit men, it also inhabit women. It must inhabit women because it would use women [the lesbian movement] as its final assault on manhood, it would be the woman who would play the major role in feminizing the man. The goal of the Feminist Movement: In her book, Woman’s Guide: Reading Toward a Feminist Theology, Rosemary Radford Ruether states: “It is to the women that we look for salvation in the healing and restorative waters of Aquarius. It is to such a New Age that we look now with the hope as the present age of masculism succeed in destroying itself. It’s right that women should demand the right to be treated equal, I can understand their anger at being mistreated by their man, but they have no right to alter God’s creation in the name of revenge. God created the man to be masculine and the woman to be soft and feminine, to reverse the order is a terrible sin before God. Let’s look at how the feminist movement is going about this: The Diabolically Game of the Feminist Movement; the Plot! As stated earlier, in order for the feminist to overthrow the he-man, the she-man, the lesbian, the masculine woman, must soften the he-man, make him womanlier; role reversal. I told you she is the more conning of the two. The she-man has convinced the he-man that women desire a more sensitive man, a more feeling man, a man more in touch with his feminine side. And it’s working to perfection, have you ever notice how easily men breakdown and cry in this New Age of what they call, the Age of Aquarius? Many times, in times of adversity it’s the women who have to be strong for the men. As so beautifully stated in “inplainsite” website: “The tenth lie of feminism is that women would enjoy the feminization of men. Feminist believed that the only way to achieve equality of the sexes was to do away with role distinctions. Then they decided that that wasn’t enough: society had to do away with gender distinction, or at the very least blur the lines. Women embraced more masculine values, and men were encouraged to embrace more feminine characteristics. That was supposed to fix the problem.it didn’t. As men tried to be “good guys” and accommodate the feminist demands, the culture saw a new type of man emerge: sensitive, nurturing, warmly compassionate, yielding. The only problem was that this “soft man” wasn’t what women wanted. Women pushed men to be like women, and when they complied nobody respected them. Women, it turned out, wanted to be the soft ones—and wanted men to be strong and firm and courageous; they wanted a manly man. When men start taking on feminine characteristics, they are just wimpy and unmasculine, not pleasing themselves or the women who demanded the change. There is good reason that books and movies with strong, masculine heroes continue to appeal to such a large audience. Both men and women respond to men who fulfill God’s design for male leadership, protection, and strength.” [inplainsight.com] The she-man or wanna-be man knew this, because under that possessed spirit, she’s still a woman, but she has convinced the real woman that this will bring her equality. When in reality, she knows the women will come to despise that weak man, so now the she-man can move right in and take his place. I saw this play out on one of the investigative documentary on television. There was this young couple who were very much in love, they started having tough times financially, the husband could not find work, the wife did find a good job but in another city. But her new job still didn’t pay enough to pay for day care for the children, so until the father could find a decent job, it was decided that he would stay home and play Mr. mom, and take care of the children while the wife be the breadwinner. He had become feminized, he had become a he-she. Now there’s nothing wrong playing that role if circumstances dictates this for a time, but to fall in love with this unmanly role is not natural to manhood. The woman who had once love him so much now despise him because he had become the weaker of the two sexes. She despised him so much that she kicked him out of the house, she told him to not take anything out of that house, nothing! Well, when he did move out he took some mixing bowls, he saw these items as belonging to him since he did all the cooking. She got so angry when he took the bowls that she hired one of her employee to break into her husband’s apartment and steal the bowls and return them to her. She filed for divorce, in the settlement the judge ordered her to pay her husband alimony because she had afforded him a lifestyle he had become accustomed to. Well, if you think she got angry about the mixing bowls, just imagine how angry she got to have to pay alimony to one she so despises. She hired the same person she got to break into his house and steal the bowls to murder her husband, they took his body and placed it in a barrel, filled it with acid and hid it in a self-storage locker where his body was eaten up by the acid. In the end, his becoming weaker then the wife who once loved him so much led to the destruction of three lives and caused the children to have to live without parents. The feminist, Naomi Goldenberg, in her book Changing of the Gods, states: “the feminist movement in western culture is engaged in the slow execution of Christ and Yahweh…it is likely that as we watch Christ and Yahweh tumble to the ground, we will completely outgrow the need for an external God.” In the process of feminizing the man, one of the things necessary is to destroy his rule over his house, his home, and this is taking place before our very eyes. It's no secret that most homes, even those with the father there, it’s the woman or women who rules the home. As an example; I can’t believe most fathers are alright with their wives and daughters parading up and in front of men and young boys half naked. Skirts so short that they must sit in awkward positions to keep their private parts from being exposed to the world. His little princess and beloved wife raising sexual desire in the men and boys who watch them exposing their nakedness to the world. Dad sit there and say nothing and allow this to go on because he don’t want to offend his wife who now rule over him. Next, he sits silent as laws are enacted which allows grown men to have the right to use the same public restroom as his thirteen-year-old daughter. All of this is the result of Adam worshiping instead of ruling over his wife and home. This is all satanic, the expressed intended destruction of Christ and Yahweh and the obvious hatred for manhood, it’s all satanic. The Take Down! Because of man’s sin and disobedience to God and man’s abuse of the woman, he’s now paying for his sins, as we see the abusers, men in very high positions of power are now helpless as the abused rise to power to destroy him. Because of Adam’s disobedience to God to rule over her in love women in the USA is in the process of taking control of the government to truly rule over him. It is the feminist movement who is most responsible for the the sexually perverted woman’s rise to power, do you believe that once in full power they will not institute their stated goal; the destruction of Christ and Yahweh and manhood? The file sexually pervert spirit has even entered the pulpit of many churches: Mary Daly who claims to be Christians feminist says this about traditional Christianity: “To put it bluntly, I propose that Christianity itself should be castrated.” Who is Mary Daly? Mary Daly (October 16, 1928 – January 3, 2010 was an American radical feminist philosopher, academic, and theologian. Daly, who described herself as a “radical feminist lesbian” taught at Jesuit run Boston Collage for 33 years. Daly retired in 1999, after violating University policy by refusing to allow male students in her advanced women’s studied classes. She allowed male students in her introductory class and privately tutored those who wanted to take advanced classes.” [Wikipedia] This woman who had so much hatred for God and man was educated in the schools of the so-called queen of heaven; The College of Saint Rose, The Catholic University of America and Saint Mary’s College, and for 33 years she was allowed to spread this filth about Christ and Jehovah and the man in His image, just think of the many minds she has corrupted and caused to blaspheme God. These are the leaders of the Feminist Movement and their stated goal is the destruction of Christ, Jehovah and manhood. Christian sisters, are you sure you want to look to this file spirit for your salvation? Judith Christ of Nazareth, the Gospels of the Bible, Corrected to Reflect That Christ Was a Woman, E [the new bible] published by L B I (Law & Business Institute): “And Joseph went to Bethlehem. To be enrolled with Mary, his wife, who was then pregnant. And she brought forth her firstborn child. And her name was chosen to be Judith." [Luke 2: 4-5, 7, 21] “And She bearing her cross, went forth into a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha; There they crucified her, and two others with her, on either side one, and Judith in the midst.” [John 19:17-18] I’m not against women demanding their rights, no more than I, being a black man could be against the “Black Lives Matter” movement, but I can’t help noticing that an evil element had inserted itself into what is a righteous movement. This evil element has not entered only these two movement, but even the church itself, the black person who can’t call out the evil that has inserted itself into the “BLM” or the woman who can’t see the evil intent of the feminist movement or what it has become can claim to be Christians and love God, but their actions proves otherwise. Especially in the feminist movement where their stated goal is to castrate Christianity, even replacing the Father and the Son with women. We can’t love any movement more than we love God! Because of man’s worship of the women he’s even allowed himself to be publicly humiliated parading up and down in pink feminine colors to show support for the movement. Why can’t I support the woman’s right without wearing her clothes? Are white people to show up at “BLM” movements in “black face” to show support for the movement? No, that would be an insult to the movement, so for a man to wear women clothes to a women’s rally should be an even greater shame because it goes against his manhood. It just another part of the process of softening, feminizing and castrating the man who’s in God’s image. Now, for any Christian to get angry at me for exposing this evil element in the feminist movement, or attempting to explain this verse of scripture that even the church has come to despise “and he shall rule over thee” must ask yourself; how much do I love the word of God, which parts will I reject when it doesn’t fit with my worldview? Now, am I a bigot because I quote scripture that the world has come to hate? Or is this the Word of God? Love for God and His Word must take first place in our lives. Their stated goal is the destruction of Jesus and Jehovah and the castration and destruction of man. The Works of the New Age Movement!
  2. Royff

    Holy Trinity; Family of God!

    Let's go back and replay the tape and see where we are, how we got here and what progress have we made if any. I published this thread and you came here in a rage, you said I and all Christians who believe what I said in this thread are liars and not only that, but if the bible teaches it then its a lie also and needs to be thrown in the trash. One thing is sure, somebody is lying here. And since the bible clearly states that no liar shall inherit the kingdom, it's important that the liar is exposed so that he don’t continue to drag souls to hell. Let's look at the seriousness of this crime, because the Lord said not everyone who say, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, He says; depart from me. You may ask; how could someone spend their life preaching Jesus and the Lord tells them, I never knew you. Well, we are seeing it here displayed in real time. How can you say you know the Lord and the Lord sheep know His voice and follow Him only when you prove don’t know him from the 666 beast? When you direct others to worship the 3 demonic gods of Babylon, the counterfeit holy spirit, how can you claim to know God? How can you to expect the Lord to not say depart from me I never knew you? This is bordering on blaspheme, calling God Satan and Satan God. Now when true light shines from heaven and the true liar’s deeds comes to light they suddenly want to talk about everything but what was their stated purpose, to declare that anyone who believes that there is only one God is a liar. Now when they realize that anyone who is in a search for the truth can now see who the liar really is they now want to change the subject and move on to find other false gospels to defend. They show no remorse for the many souls they may be responsible sending to hell, to them it's just not that important. They should be trying to make things right, to undo the wrong they have done to their brothers and sisters in Christ; where is the Love? Now when confronted in this manner they claim, you don’t know my heart before God if I have repented of not. I say not, because you did not make this false claim in some conversation between you and the Lord alone, no they get on their platform and broadcast it to the world. So when God had enlighten you to the truth your needs the first thing to do is go on that same platform and undo what you did and is still doing by not repenting and not warning them who still believe that the 666 beast is God because you did not set the record straight when you had a chance. Since we both know you are not going to openly repent, lets just get back to exposing the false messiah that you promote. Please stop trying to change the subject and explain the three gods that you serve and where did they originate. How many times do I have to beg you to try to stay focused?
  3. Royff

    Holy Trinity; Family of God!

    You are right it's a huge volume and can’t be understood overnight, but if when we read it we give it any meaning we desire then we will never consume it in truthfulness. You are right again, it's the power of God unto salvation, but twist it and it will become the power of damnation. One of the major things we had better not be wrong about is the identity of the counterfeit and unholy trinity because there are two trinities, the Holy Trinity and the unholy trinity. The unholy trinity claim that there are three gods in one, the Holy Trinity states that there is only one God but that one God manifest Himself in three persons but one God and that’s the Father from which everything proceeds. As I stated before, the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and is everywhere present, but the counterfeit, as you described it can be in only one place at a time simply because it's not the real bout the counterfeit, man seated in the place of God. The proof that the real can be in more then one place at a time is in your claim that God could not be in the earth at the same time Jesus walked the earth. Who ever that one God is scripture states that all of that God was in the man Jesus the Christ. Now I looked up the definition of “all.” I found that “all” includes everything and excludes nothings. If “all” of that one and only God filled the man Jesus then there was no room for any other god, where does this other god come from? So as you say, God was in heaven when Jesus walked the earth but how can he not be in the earth when all of Him was walking in the man, Jesus the Christ. So when scripture says there is only one God and you deny that how are you ever going to come to the truth? You had better know the real Holy Trinity from the counterfeit or you will worship the beast and his image. Many who bow before the counterfeit holy spirit [kundalini] can cause Christians to border on blaspheme, calling good evil and evil good. When people with just a basic bible knowledge hear a bible ot prophecy interpreter claim there are three gods, they know immediately to run form that prophet because if it's one thing that the bible teaches is that there is only one God. Now that basic bible student who know that there is only one God now rejects anything to do with the Trinity and calls it all a mark of the beast. Or others try to tell you its too complicated and you don’t need to be getting involved in that. Either way you are pulled away from the foundation on which everything is built; the Tribune God of the tribune universe. So this is no small thing, to say that there are more then one God is right out of the satanic playbook. Not only is the preacher of the three god theory leading himself to the worship of Lucifer, but just thing of the many others he may be leading to that same beast. The 666 unholy trinity is a mark of the beast, and to deny that the Holy Trinity is of God is are also a mark of the beast. So to lead others to reject the truth because it doesn’t fit with our theory can lead us down the road to hell. “Hear O Israel, our God is one Lord” [Duet 6:4] KJV
  4. Royff

    Holy Trinity; Family of God!

    Now go get that stuff and explain it, you know that that is not how this is done. You through all these verses of scripture up and not explain them? As we can plainly see, scripture doesn't mean the same for every body. So I need to see and understand your version of your verses of scripture, this wouldn't be necessary if everyone saw the something in the word of Go, since that's not possible I really need you to not just throw scripture verses up but take the time to explain.
  5. Royff

    Holy Trinity; Family of God!

    I never said that God was universal nothingness floating around nowhere, whatever that means, When did I say that God was universal mind and all that other stuff you have posted, I never said God was omni-body whatever that is, I said omnipresent, that’s scripture, the everywhere presence of God. Are you calling King David a liar? You are way out talking about the resurrected being called spirit I don’t see how any of this has anything to do with what we are talking about. All this is irrelevant, I asked you where did Jesus proceed from if not from the one God. In none of this first paragraph did you make any attempt to explain where did the two God’s originate. If Jesus is not the word of God wrapped in flesh, making Him all that the first being is, them who is he. He’s must be the original and one God or else he’s another God from where did this other God come. No one said that each in the Godhead doesn’t have its own body, with feelings and spirit attributes, this is just not what we are talking about. You are all over the place, you are talking about men having flesh and bone goodies and angels don’t What do that has to do with whether Jesus is The same being, the word of that one God wrapped in flesh making it all that one God is or is Jesus mixed with some other god. Now you try to compare man’s body with God’s body and what its made of as if you know. How could you possibly know what God’s body looks like and what its made of? You don’t even know what’s going on in your own body that why we go to the doctor, but you have convinced yourself that you know the unknown. Sir, you cannot possibly know these things. Are you really still going to go on and on about how God’s body look and what stuff it's made of. You are now saying that God is 5 foot 9 or something like that and you are doubling down on God being in only one place at a time. Though you may call yourself a Christian your beliefs are far from Christianity. So you believe that if God is in heaven then He can’t see what you are doing here in the earth because He can only be in one place at a time. Is that what you are saying? It seems your God is a mere man whose abilities and attributes are no higher than man’s. Who is this very limited God you are talking about? So, how tall is God, how much does He weight, Surely you know these thing. Of course Jesus is not everywhere in His physical body, but Jesus is more than physical body, but in that body dwells the fullness of the Godhead that is infinite in power. The body of finite man who in the end will be ate up by maggots, you are equating that file body of sinful man with the body of Christ? So you claim that Jesus cannot be in other places because He’s seated at the fight hand of God. Obviously Jesus didn’t take that seat and never went anywhere after taking that seat because Paul saw Him and St. Stephen saw His. When dealing with finite man the Lord appears in finite form that man is familiar with but there is no scripture evidence that the body of God is made up of or in anyway similar to man. I would go so far as to say that it's impossible for God and man to have the same body make up because man’s body is made up of sin, in fact it's called the body of sin. So how can you compare a body of sin with with the sinless body of God and claim they are the same? Now you talk about God could not be in the earth because Jesus was in the earth, God had to stay in heaven because Jesus was in the earth. I don’t know what brand of religion you are pushing but its not Christianity. Scripture is clear that when Jesus walked the earth He had the fullness of the Godhead in Him. All the was in the Father was in Him, that one God, whatever that one God is it was all the present in Christ. So that God was in heaven He still walked the earth in Christ. Even Jesus when on earth claim to be in heaven and at the same time: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.” [John 3:13] KJV When Jesus made this statement He was on earth, so how can Jesus be on earth and in heaven at the same time if He can be in only one place at a time as you claim. You are confusing physical matter with spiritual matter, and now holy spiritual master and equates it evil fallen sinful matter. No physical matter can be in two different places at a time, but spirit is different. One thing we know about spirit is that it can’t be held captive by matter. When our spirit that is wrapped in these meat and bones bodies says it's time to depart, there’s nothing matter can do to stop its departure; proving its superior to matter and can do things that matter cannot do. So no, Jesus could not have been in heaven and earth in His physical body, but the Spirit of God that indwells Him, that Spirit is infinite in all things. The best description of the Spirit God was one that was told to me as a kid; it like the air we breathe, it's everywhere present. We don’t have to call our friend in New York if we are in California and ask if there’s air over there because we know it's everywhere present. This the wind can do, but the creator of that wind cannot be as everywhere present as the wind, you are saying that this God that created all is limited to some container off in some corner of the universe. According to you, even the wind is more powerful than your God, at least it can be in more than one place at a time. Now here you really go off, I have no idea of what you are talking about: “Presence is governed by relationship, not by bodily sight. When the body of anyone is not literally present, one cannot say that it is present. The presence of two persons may be felt though thousands of miles may separate them bodily. I such a case presence consists of union, relationship, memory, acquaintance, and association to the same end in life. The closer tow persons are to each other in any relationship, the more they feel each others presence in the thought life. So it is with God. God dwells in Heaven and persons on Earth that know Him and are in union with Him is spirit can feel His presence in their lives regardless of where they are on the Earth. This is what is meant by statements men use to prove that God personally fills the whole of space and matter. In Ps. 139:7 the paslmist said ,"whither shall I go from the spirit? Or whither shall I fell from they presence?" God said to Jeremiah, "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" (Jer. 23:23-24). Paul said, "In Him we live, and move, and have our being" (Acts 17:27-28).” Here you stumble all over yourself: “We must understand all like passages, as teaching the omnipresence of God, but not omnibody of God. While I write I feel the presence of my wife and children who are many mile away at this time. They are alwaysin my thoughts, my plans, my life, and all that I do. I do nothing without them, yet they are far away. I am designing a new home for them to move into. I plan for them. I see them in their new home. I experience the thrill of having them with me. They are here with me in spirit and presence, planning with me, and we are working together to the same end in life. This presence is constant, though distance separates bodily at times. I don't feel the presence of other families I have never met and to which there is no union what so ever.” Here you seems to be saying feeling the presence of the Lord is only imaginary, to feel the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in just in the imagination. The Holy Spirit that the Lord said He would send was not to a presence at certain times, but to be always with you. The Spirit I’m talking about is to be not just with you but in you. Well, if that spirit can be in only one place at a time, how could it be in me and all these other people at the same time. You claim that this Spirit is God, well if God can hear my prayer in one State and hear you prayer in another state, then that proves that He’s in more than one location at a time. You claim to know all about the Holy Spirit but you are having problems understanding just the basics of the spiritual nature and how its difference from matter. What a weak God who don't know what's going on in His creation unless someone brings Him the news because He can be only one place at a time. They could be scheming to overthrow His kingdom, even though the scheming it just up the street taking place He can know nothing of it because He's stuck over here in this other place, This God whose works are perfect is going to create spiritual laws that locks Him out of His own creation; it just doesn't make sense.
  6. Royff

    Holy Trinity; Family of God!

    “If God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are "one God" in one body, all the Scriptures mentioned above are lies, and if they are lies then the whole Bible cannot be believed.” “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” [Duet 6:4] There cannot be three individual Gods, there can be only one God in three different manifestations. It is clear from Duet 6:4 that there cannot be three different Lords. In the beginning was God, everything proceed from that one God, God the Father. There is no other God but that one God, the Holy Spirit can only proceed from that one God and must be all that that one God is, this is simply the Holy Spirit of God, you can’t divide or separate the Two because the two are one and the same; its God. How can this Holy Spirit be anything but that one God that it proceeded from. If this is not the case then you have this God and that other God, any God that is not that one God is a god outside of the one God. If God can indwell Millions of people through the Holy Spirit then if it's God that indwells people through the Holy Spirit then it must be that same original God or else where did this other God come from? If God is a Spirit then it just stand to reason that it would be called “the Holy Spirit” not only could God send out His Holy Spirit [Himself] out into the World in different proportion to different individuals, but can also take His world and wrap it in flesh, give it personality and send it out on a mission. Now what part of that word made flesh is not that original one God? It's His word that comes directly from God’s being, or that other God made flesh is another God and there are two different Gods. “Hear O Israel, our God is one Lord” [Duet 6:4] KJV You cannot separate God from that Spirit that he is and claim it's another, there is no other but that one God, and you can’t separate God from His word and claim its different and distinct from the God that it is. Throughout the New Testament all three of the Trinity are said to be God, either they are all some aspect of the one God or there are at least three different Gods. Now if you add the twelve flames that that indwell the apostles that would bring it number of God’s that’s different from the one God to fifteen. Now if we think of all the different people that this Spirit is said to indwell, now it comes to billions of people that indwells these people and those gods are different from the one original one God. Jesus said I and my Father are one, so what part of Jesus was not apart and essence of God, of the one God or what part of Jesus is of another God and please identify that other god and explain its essence since Jesus is another and distinct God from from whom did it proceed. Now please explain where your other two gods come from if they are not the one God. We read in scripture where it states that He [Jesus] was in the form of God and equal with God, now if that being is equal with God and is God then it means that there are two different Gods here unless that second being is all that the first being He proceeded from It. You can’t separate the Father and because the two are one, that same one God. If the Holy Spirit is not that one God please explain the origins of the Holy Spirit and from whom or what it preceded. “If God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are "one God" in one body, all the Scriptures mentioned above are lies, and if they are lies then the whole Bible cannot be believed.” The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in unity, but without the Father the other two would not exist because the both proceeds from the Father. “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.” [John 17:21-22] KJV It does not say that they may be three because as we are three, no, it says that they might one as we are one. Throughout the New Testaments the three are presented as one, of one and the same essences from one original source, the Father and one and only God that send His Spirit [the Holy Spirit] and His Word, and it's all still the one God out into the world to do His bidden. “If God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are "one God" Here you blatantly deny Duet 6:4” “O hear O Israel our God is one Lod” You are saying that anyone who claims that there is only one God are liars. What bible are you reading, worshiping more than one God is fight out of Babylon. The fact that Jesus took upon Himself a flesh and bone body and that He was resurrected and STILL HAS His flesh and bone body and sits at the Fathers right hand in Heaven in it, (Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), is proved by His statement to His disciples; "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39); and to Thomas Jesus said; "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing" (John 20:27). And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord AND my God" (John 21:28).” You are right on when it comes to the physical Jesus, His physical body but you neglect to address the Spirit that indwells Him. That is the same exact Spirit that God is and they cannot be separated or is there more than one Spirit of God? Yes Jesus ascended into heaven in a physical body, but He did not ascend in the physical without the Spirit that indwells Him, That part is the Original one God that the flesh of Jesus proceeded from, that connection can never be broken or caused to separate. In scripture it is stated that God shed His blood at Calvary, it says the blood of the one God that was shed at Carvery, not part God’s blood and the blood of another. Now let's look at just where your confusion is: “In John 1:1 we have the statement, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word became flesh and dwelt among us in John 1:14. We know the Word God took upon Himself a flesh and bone body and became Jesus. We must ask ourselves which God was the Word with in the beginning in John 1:1? He was with the Father for in (1 Cor. 3:23; 11:3) Paul said that "Christ was God's and God was "the head of Christ." Jesus dwelt among us whilst the Father remained in Heaven.” Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t scripture states that God is in all places at all times, king David said that even if he make in hell God’s Spirit is even there. So I don’t understand how you could say that the Father was in Heaven and not in the earth. So according to you God is not omnipresent, he can’t be in more than one place at a time. You know that’s not scriptural. So it seems you are saying is that the Father, the original one God can be in only one place at a time while the two that proceed from his being is omnipresent. “The word Trinity means the union of the three persons in the Godhead, each who IS called God and Lord in various Scriptures throughout the Bible, and who are "Self-existent" and "Eternal." In Psalm 110:1; Matt. 22:44; Zech. 2:10-11 we have the Father and the Son both called "Lord," and when we read Ex. 16:7 with Heb. 3:7-8 and Isa. 6:8-9 with Acts 28:25 and Ex. 17:7 with Heb. 3:7-9, and Jer. 31:31-34 with Heb. 10:15-16 these Scriptures prove that the Holy Spirit is also called "Lord." The Holy Spirit is distinctly called God in Acts 5:3-4. Here Peter here askes Ananias, why he kept back part of the price . . . why Ananias let Satan fill his heart to lie to the Holy Ghost . . . and Peter goes on to say Ananias had not lied to men but to God." Now let's look at the last part of that statement, I’ll quote it again: why Ananias let Satan fill his heart to lie to the Holy Ghost . . . and Peter goes on to say Ananias had not lied to men but to God." You states here that the Holy Spirit is God, that same one God, the Holy Spirit is God. It all comes down to the Father who is the beginning of all thing. In the beginning was the Word, the word is in the Father and the Father spoke it and it became flesh, that flesh that dwelt among us is God among us; Emanuel! There is no other God but this God, Jesus is simply the word of God made flesh. When the word of God saw made flesh and sent out into the world it lost nothing of the essence of the one it proceeded from, it the one flame, the original flame that sparked the other two. “Hear O’ Israel our God is one Lord.” [Duet 6:4] KJV
  7. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    I understand that you would want to clear the air because I would want to clear the air. But I think we can say we have come to an understanding on that. As far as I’m concerned I don’t see that being a problem with us going forward. We must not lose focus on our objective and maybe we’ll both learn something if we focus on the truth. And if we can’t find that truth in God’s word where do we find it. The truth of God’s word we are looking at in the words of David to his son Solomon. “If you forsake God He will reject you forever” or did David mis speak or did David mean something else. This is important because it sheds light on many different teachings from “eternal security” to the rapture. One, it shows Solomon being associated with the number “666” when he accepted the 666 talent of gold. Because of this millions around the world await the return of their messiah; ting Solomon. Solomon became a god unto himself, many believe it will be the resurrection of Solomon himself that is resurrected as the Antichrist. Whether or not that’s true I don’t know, but Solomon saw mixed up in some really bad stuff. I believe you are doing what I was going and that’s comparing his sins to my sins, but his sins are at the very least boarding on blaspheme. That’s why I said we need to take a look at that word blaspheme. The one main thing we know about it is once committed you can’t be forgiven for it. So this sin is different from all other sins, so above all other sins I need to know for sure what this sin is because I dare not come close it, much less to touch it. So anytime a prophet of God tells his son Solomon that he can lose his salvation and I mind, I had better listen closely to what he said and not allow anyone to determine what he said, there’s too much at stake here. So the description we get of this unforgivable sin is it slander the Holy Spirit, to bring reproach upon it. What could be more defiling to the Spirit than a priest in that altar, in fact the builder of that altar, removes the king and enthrone the goddess of sexual lust on that throne. So when I hear the words of David and the actions of Solomon I must heed David’s words and make sure I stay clear. I guess the bottom line is we either accept the words of David or we change them to change the outcome. But to change anything here is tempering with Holy Spirit power so I’ll be safe and interpret it just the way David said it. It's just too dangerous to do otherwise. It appears to me that David was right, Solomon may have committed blaspheme.
  8. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    I don’t know I saw something somewhere but I wouldn’t know where to begin to look. But since I got you wrong on that one I apologize. Thank God you are not trapped by that false gospel. But you didn’t respond to what I said about king Solomon and your definition of blaspheme. And how you are rewriting the would of God to try to prove that Solomon was saved when is father he would be forever rejected by God for whatever your reasons. How is placing a whore on the throne of God not blaspheme, how claiming she is God and the creator not attributing the works of God to Satan when you yourself has defined it as blaspheme. I will pump the brakes but lets not turn the car and go in another direction, I believe if we stay here for a minute I believe we can get some clarity on this issue.
  9. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    Ecc 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. I don’t understand how you can say there’s hope when his father just told his what would happen if he forsake God, all hope is gone forever. Now watch how you twist scripture because you must twist it to make if fit. Forsaking God for a season is different than forsaking Him and staying in an attitude of heart of rejecting God. David told Solomon that that if he forsake that God would reject him forever, since you can’t accept the word of God because it doesn’t fit with your OSAS doctrine, you now must add to and change to the word of God. The word says nothing about a season, you added that. The attitude of the heart and all of that you added this. Where does David state all this, what you have done is to take a scripture verse and completely change the meaning of it from God will reject you forever to God will never reject you. You have just rewritten the word of God. Do you see what you are doing to the word of God? You are now denying what you just Stated as fact that the unforgivable sin is attributing the works of God to Satan. So are you saying that Solomon can commit blaspheme and then change is mind and return unto the Lord. you can do that with other sins, commit a sin and repent and God will forgive you. The Lord warned that this sin is different from all other sins, you can’t commit this sin and return unto the Lord and ask for forgiveness you are rejected forever. You can’t put a whore in the seat of God and defile that Holy Throne with whoredom and decides to change your mind later. Lets look at more of the passage of the warning David gave his son: 1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever. You said nothing different here just repeating scripture 1Ch 28:10 Take heed now; for the LORD hath chosen thee to build an house for the sanctuary: be strong, and do it. Again just repeating scripture 1Ch 28:11 Then David gave to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of the houses thereof, and of the treasuries thereof, and of the upper chambers thereof, and of the inner parlours thereof, and of the place of the mercy seat, I don’t see how any of this has anything to do with David telling his son that God will reject him forever. Here David is not talking about the chamber seat but about eternal destruction. more of this conversation shows David is not telling Solomon if he goes the wrong way thats it you are doomed. Solomon did go the wrong way and God was angry Solomon, God was so angry at Solomon that God ripped the kingdom apart. Do you understand that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is. You said it yourself, it attributing the works of God to Satan. How is placing the whoring goddess on the throne of God as God, the God who works created everything, saying that this whore is the God that created all. How is this not attributing to the works of God to Satan? This is your definition of blasphemy. more of this conversation shows David telling his son God has chosen you to build all this. He is telling him dont take doing these things lightly and just go your own way as king and do what you want... David was told by God he was not to build the temple because he had shed much blood but instead his son would. David knew it was important to God. Just because we mess up God is not going to cast us off forever... but we do need to repent and live Holy. Just think about this, God told Abraham to sacrifice his son and then stopped him and said God does not approve of human sacrifice... But God spared not His own son. If we stay in sin, If we stay unrepentant then we die... its then the rejection of God is total. But how many times in the old testament and the new does God plead and command for people to turn from their sin and turn to Him? God wants to have a relationship with us. He isnt just waiting around for you to sin to write you a bill of divorcement. We should not take His grace and mercy as a way to sin a little here and a little there and "get away with it" we should take His commands serious. We are even to fear and tremble at His word. But God isnt out to get you. He does expect us to live Holy, but in all things and in all ways he wants and does whats good for you. If God was just casting people off forever every time they messed up very very few if any would make it. I believe what David said too. But even David messed up, real bad. He was even given a choice famine or pestilence? Did God cast Him off forever? So, since David sinned like all men has done so now we can reject everything he says, what prophet of God that did not sin, they were all sinners because all men are sinners. Johna sinned a great sin before God, did God stop using him, no because he had not blasphemed against the Holy Spirit, but they all sinned, repented and were forgiven and put back to word for the Lord because that had not placed a whore in the temple, on the throne of God, in the seat of God as God; that’s blasphemy against the Holy Spirit for which there is no forgiveness but to be forever rejected by God’ Your definition of Blaspheme!
  10. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    “Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is accrediting the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.” As for that part I said that from the beginning, in those exact words. So there’s no argument here, but how do we truly define “Blaspheme?” Everybody loves David, the apple of God's eye, yea’ if David said you can believe it. But when David tells his son that if he forsake God God would reject him forever, his words don’t seem to carry a lot of weight.This is king David we’ll talking about, would he deceive his son with his last words? He will reject you forever! We can’t forget that that’s the point of focus. We still have the problem of that word “Blaspheme” whatever it is it's the most terrible thing a person can do. It's the defilement of all that’s Holy and Pure so we really need to get this one right. Very simply put; its corructing purity. This purity that is the Holy Spirit demands that it remains that way. To bring any file thoughts in in worship or service to this Spirit any deception, any ignoring clearly stated words of scripture as the wise king warning his son what would cause his permanent and total destruction is forbidden. To be casted of, be rejected by God, forever; total destruction and we should run pass that as if its not there? How much of God’s word is truth and how much is not or how much will is accept and how much will I reject. David tell his son that he, even though he’ll be the anointed king that he can be permanently cut off from God. For how long; forever. So we have a serious problem here either David proves that if he Solomon forsake God that God would reject Solomon forever that though one who was anointed with the Holy Spirit can be cut off. On the other hand, it would disprove my theory of OSAS. [not my theory] There the battlelines are drawn, sometimes on both sides there comes a time when each sides must deny the clearly written word of God to promote al long held belief or some denominational belief. This is one of those times, if I can’t depend on what King David says here, how can I believe what he say on anything else, and something so terrible as eternal separation from God. I can’t stop those words from ringing in my ears; if you forsake God He will reject you forever! Should I ignore this warning from David or pretend it's not there and quietly move on to something else in hopes of forgetting its there. So now I must twist David’s words or pretend that they weren’t very important or he never said it the way it sounds. But it can’t be explained away, if I claim that the bible is the word of God I can’t reject the parts I don’t like and believe the ones I do like. If David is a prophet of God then him telling his son that he can be forever cut off from the Lord, how could Solomon have taken it lighty. Here starts the twisting of God’s word, a big mistake, both sides are guilty of this. But I’m going to stick to believing what the word of God says. If the King of God tells me that I could be forever rejected by God, I don’t care what man says because if I can trust David elsewhere in scripture I must trust him here also. If he says I could lose my salvation I believe him!
  11. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    I think I understand what you're saying and thank God you were restored, so you can testify as to His undeserved kindness. But I think the time periods doesn’t matter as much as this was his father’s last words on how to rule God’s kingdom. See, we are talking about a kingdom, in fact the kingdom of heaven. We are talking of a man who saw God face to face, twice, so he knew God. God gave Solomon grave gifts and love. Gave him wisdom above all men, and wealth and he was probably a handsome man. On top of that God chose him to be king of God’s throne on earth, and priest in the temple of the Holy God of all. What love had been shown to Solomon, no one could have loved him more. All God asked of Solomon is to love Him in return and have no others god before Him. What more could God have done for Solomon. To think that Solomon would fall in love with the enemy that’s out to destroy his Father’s kingdom is hard to believe. See, we don’t know how close to perfection Solomon was as he met the perfect light face to face, some of that perfect light must have shine deep into Solomon’s soul. So Solomon stood in the presence of love and betrayed love to the lover who would murder his father and King. We are talking about real life here of spilling Holy blood, turning the temple and throne over to Lucifer aka Satan. The Word says blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, that’s goes for Solomon also. How could it be so for Judas and not for Solomon? Solomon is more responsible because in Solomon dwelled the Holy Spirit of God, he’s the enlightened one, kind of like Lucifer. So it's not like something without that deceived Solomon, his was a willful act. He fell in love with the gods of lust. It's almost like a wife killing her husband to be with another lover. Solomon brought whoring goddess into the temple and seated on the throne of the temple, that’s blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of that throne. If what Solomon did was not blaspheme I’m very confused as to what the word “blaspheme” could possibly mean. So I could understand your joy at restoration because I feel that same joy and thankfulness, but what Solomon did was much deeper. It would appear that he committed blasphemy. So his father David warned him that this would be the result if he forsake God that God would reject Solomon forever, to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. This is David’s prophecy fulfilled; if you forsake God he will reject you forever. How could God not reject Solomon if Solomon blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
  12. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    “And Solomon, my son, learn to know the God of your ancestors intimately. Worship and serve him with your whole heart and a willing mind. For the Lord sees every heart and knows every plan and thought. If you seek him, you will find him. But if you forsake him, he will reject you forever. 10 So take this seriously. The Lord has chosen you to build a Temple as his sanctuary. Be strong, and do the work.” According to David Solomon has been rejected forever because Solomon had truly forsaken God and went whoring with other gods. Now this is not a verse of scripture we that we must work hard to understand, it clearly stated by David what would happen if Solomon depart from God. Solomon was rejected forever, if we can't accept this clearly stated word of God then the word of God has no power in our lives and we can just apply any meaning to any scripture as we desire as many do in these forums by piling scripture on top of scripture that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. It clearly states that Solomon was rejected forever.
  13. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    OK I read it again and this is a man who says he hates life, Maybe I missed something but I didn't see where there's anything when it even suggest anything bout repentance but a man that's depressed and looking back over his messed up life, there's no joy but complete sadness as if there's nothing good that awaits him. That's What I saw over 45 years ago when I first read it. That's even before I knew anything about him being a devil worshiper. He just sound like a man who has lost all hope, to as he said, he hates liked. Isn't that a slap in the face of God who gave him life to tell God he hates the beautiful gift.
  14. Royff

    Once Saved Always Saved Is It Scriptural

    Qoute it here Quote it here and explain it so I can have a better understanding of where you are coming from, it may be truth but I need you to post it so as you explain it we can look at it together.
  15. Royff

    What Really Is the Mark of the Beast

    I'm not being defensive, the problem is that too many people try to pile everything into one paragraph and many time you have to try to read between because they don't use enough space to truly explain themselves, I still don't understand your reasoning when we are always talking about the Holy Spirit in this forum. But I'm not going to drive you on that, but I just don't understand it. But we can leave it along but I just thought you may wan't to see if I knew anything about the Holy Spirit or the Holy Trinity. May be I got you wrong but I believe with just a couple of more strokes of the keyboard you can make yourself clear.
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