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Just read back at that verse in Matthew 19, Jesus told them that it was man's idea for divorcement. Jesus isn't supporting divorcement, but rather against it.

You obviously don't understand God or scripture. You're claiming we need to do things for ourselves because of whatever issues or selfish desires we have involving in our marriages. God cares what is right in all things, just as He sees the value of sin being equal to every other sin. If you committed one sin then you committed the other. But you seem to say God doesn't care about 2 people more than he does 1 individual, as in, God would rather you disobey him and sin by divorcing not on Biblical grounds, then rather stay with an abusive spouse who sins. Can you find scripture to stand on that which says God suggests or commands or wants you to divorce rather than stay with an abusive spouse? Again, just because someone abuses you does not require a divorcement. You can move away and hopefully one day come back together in love where you won't live like that anymore. If not, you can live your life married until death just as you vowed to them before God creating a covenant. Whenever ANYONE wants a divorcement, you are listening to your selfish, hardened heart, just as scripture says from the very own lips of Jesus Christ!! He told us that is why people want a divorcement and God let them do so with Moses, but God never wanted divorcement. Have you not read or understand this common scripture? Read it for yourself and pray for understanding. Recognize what God has done for you in your marriage with Him! Should he not just divorce you and forsaken you because you treat Him badly when you sin? "In all things, do it for the glory of God"- how is breaking a holy covenant before God ever something to glorify God? Hm? I cannot see it, but I see there are at least 1 or 2 selfish sinful people caring more about themselves than rather the one they gave their lives to vowing to be together for better or for worse until death. If we are to be an example of Christ, are we then to do what Christ does by breaking covenants and forsaken the ones we said we would be together with until death? Like I said, there is never a truly good reason for divorcement other than to give up and be selfish and listen to your hardened hearts when you want that, it goes to show you care about yourself more than someone else, which clearly shows, you lied when you made your vows, you are doing the opposite of what God wants and what He would have done and wanted you to do. You cannot find anywhere in scripture that the Lord likes or wants or commands for divorcement. But you will find Him supporting marriages and how to live in them well in many ways. It was never God's plan, and what is not God's plan, is not God's will. Divorcement, is "Man's will," just like many other times, God let them have that. Which will you support or follow?

There is also this quiz, about being ready for marriage, on a godly perspective mostly but of course there also needs to be worldly things involved for a marriage in the world. https://www.quotev.com/quiz/11231515/Are-you-Ready-To-Be-Wed-Married

i see. but that to the world, including Christians, they would simply call it communion and see it as something holy and to not be silly, having fun, laughing and running around, etc- but rather a time to be as mature than ever and take it seriously. People see these other things as celebrations because its like a party. Communion isn't a party. So its not even the same thing I am talking about. Though I get your view, I support communion, it serves a godly purpose. But colored eggs, chocolate, bunnies, trees, santa, trucks filled with candy, etc. all that is a party to celebrate to them without God on their mind, but rather the physical pleasure. If you care about communion, it obviously would not be that you are doing it for fun and pleasure, but rather you believe and care about the Lord or at least you want to make your people in the Church think that you care.

i just replied to the other person if you read it above/below.

People rarely talk to me in the way you're talking. Are you saying I am personally pointing fingers? If you didn't know, we are all evil. People hate the Bible because its right from Genesis that it shows God pointing His finger at as that we have sinned and now we suffer the consequences, starting with Lucifer, Adam and Eve. So we all fall into this category from the time we are born. To say we remain that way where we want to be that way shows it's an unbeliever. But we all still are stuck with an evil flesh. So it's not like I am claiming I am better than anyone or that anyone is better than anyone else. That would be taking my words out of context, assuming what I mean and making it a lie.

heh its free on Quotev.com. I know its packed with young adults but mostly teens who really need the Lord there. You likely have to make a quick account to take it, maybe. Here's one about How Well Do You Know God (but this doesnt mean even if you get all questions correct that you know all about or even half about God, but its just to see if you got the wrong idea or the right idea about God) https://www.quotev.com/quiz/11821436/How-Well-Do-You-Understand-God This is how well do you understand Christianity, basic things about the Bible, but not the stories. It's more if you understand it, not if you remember it. https://www.quotev.com/quiz/10391027/How-Well-Do-You-Know-Christianity-The-Truth And this is a kind of for fun quiz about what is your role/position in the Church/chapel https://www.quotev.com/quiz/10377893/What-Is-Your-Role-In-The-Church Some of these are quizzes but some are tests.

It was all about another false god, a bunch of worldly stuff for worldly pleasures, etc. I wouldn't want to say I'm celebrating the death of Jesus Christ if it was named "Lucifester" naming it after Satan/Lucifer, and start decorating things symbolizing Satan but the decorations are so colorful and pretty and the activities are fun but claim i am celebrating it for Jesus, but I'm spending my time doing what Satanists do. Same thing, just with Paganism. Christians who do this Easter stuff are doing it for themselves, they enjoy worldly things, for there is no glory in God about this bunny, chocolate and egg stuff. That's simply worldly entertainment with history hundreds of years ago for a false god. It's even celebrated on a day named after the Sun god, Sunday. The last chapel I went to understand this, but they say they need to have easter stuff to attract people to hear the Gospel. But when you put out stuff to attract people with things that give pleasure to even unbelievers, then all you're going to do is attract unbelievers who will keep being unbelievers who are just there for the fun and pleasure, then they will leave until you have another Easter, Christmas, party, event, famous band, plays, camping trip, etc. If people are interested in truth, the Gospel, and Jesus, God will draw them there without needing any Easter, holiday, party, revival, etc. Saying "you need" to do something to get people saved, is simply saying "Christ isn't enough." We stay away from all holidays for their meanings behind them. If I was to care so much that I needed or wanted to celebrate Jesus' birth and death, then I'd throw a celebration every single day of my life. Literally. But I simply remember and thank the Lord every day for what He's done and who He is. People mostly like celebrations for the fun and pleasure, they dont do it for the Lord. That's very rare.

I tell Atheist the Gospel, the truth, and I have no other belief or effort into changing their mind in the end other than letting the Lord to convince them. Knowledge and wisdom won't get you to believe, being gullible to listen to it because you'll believe almost anything won't make that true belief, it takes faith, and this faith won't come from any sinner and their evil hearts. Faith isn't a thing of the brain. So if I have done all I can to witness to them and they still don't, the rest is between them and the Lord. But when I do witness, I don't just shove a bunch of information and scripture in their face. Instead, I get to know them a bit, I ask them what they believe, I ask them why the believe what they believe, I ask them what have Christians been telling them who God and Christ is, and also what is their view of the Lord- that gives me the answer to see their reasons for denying Christ. Atheist don't usually deny Christ because they don't have the knowledge, but it can be that they were raped, child abused, poor, cheated on, everything in life is just going terrible, their children died, their parents are suffering in cancer, etc- a list of countless things, and when they hear about this caring and loving God who can do anything, and that God made everything, then God isn't doing anything about these bad things that have happened and still happen, they feel anger towards God and blame Him for it. So, then they may just be making up lies and try to think of ways to say they can prove the Bible is a lie, but the truth is, they really just hate the Lord for personal issues in their lives. I see many of them have already heard the truth, and they just keep arguing with Christian's about it, but what they usually need, is love. They need a godly example of Christ's love in you, and showing that even though you understand their evilness and that they are wrong, you are still there to help them and love them and why you have faith in Christ. They may need to see an example of Christ through you and not just words alone. But God saves people through different experiences. Yet, i find a lot of atheist say they deny Christ, simply because they have been hearing about a fake Jesus Christ and the fake God from this world of fake Christians. They think that Jesus is the real Jesus, but it's not. I tell them, you probably claim you hate or don't believe in Him, because that's not the Jesus I know who saved me. Now, I can share with you about the Jesus I know and show you in scripture why. Atheist have questioned again and started to open a bit more after that because now they have met a Christian who isn't like every other Christian they have met, this one is different, more loving, caring, calm, understands what they're talking about, always has scripture for backup and not opinions or just thoughts, who is concerned about the Atheist and not just telling them how to live or they're going to Hell, etc. I'm doing this again with an Atheist this week. They are quite stubborn, but I gave them a quiz test about how well do they even know the Lord and scripture, and they got every single answer wrong in 20 questions. I told them, this may be the issue why you don't believe. Who you've told me God is to the world and to you, is completely NOT who God is. Maybe if you had the opposite view and understanding of God, then maybe you would believe. Maybe you say you deny Him, because it's the fake God and not the real one. Overall, the Lord draws people to Jesus, the Lord gives them the faith they need, not us and not themselves. We are called to spread the Gospel and share the word and witness, but we aren't called to change their minds and hearts. That's God's job for His glory.

I wish people would have thought about this and still about this for those who want to justify and see divorcement as a good thing or believing divorcement is God's will for some people. But if all the answers were yes to your questions, then it would show God wouldn't want people to marry who wouldn't be like that and would likely want or end in a divorcement, but for no to those answers, it's much better off never to marry. I never planned a woman to be a certain age and I didn't care, because I was counting on God to either lead me to or bring the woman to me that He had planned for me to marry at whatever age He wants of any kind of woman He wants me to marry. I waited and it was clear who to marry when the time came. All I needed to know was that it was obvious it was the person the Lord had planned for me to marry. All this stuff about looking for someone specifically, is like a selfish way of hunting for your favorite type of meat that may not be the healthiest kind for you to eat either. Rather, I knew if I set God's will before mine in everything, then if it is His will for me to marry, one day that lady will be added to my life. Matthew 6;33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. The Lord wasn't lying or even using a metaphor when He said this. It is true. I can live a complete life of faith when I keep this in mind about pretty much everything, that if the Lord's kingdom and what is righteous is what I am seeking, then all other things will be added. Basically, if you're pursuing the will of God, then He will somehow add you to a marriage with the person He has planned for you to marry.

leaving isn't an issue, as if you need safety or have difficulty living with each other- but that doesn't require you to divorce. But for the verses where I find it's not the will of God EVER that you divorce; Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” I believe when it says let no man separate, I believe that includes the couple themselves not to separate. And do you understand the very chapter you brought up in that tells couples not to divorce. That chapter actually would recommend for a couple to stay together, which i will bring up a little later here. Matthew 19:8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so." This verse tells us simply by the Lord, that people wanted divorcements for the evilness of their hearts, and so Moses allowed them to divorce since they wouldn't get over it and constantly keep bringing it up and making such a big deal about it. But it says in the beginning, God didn't want that, it wasn't supposed to be like that. But if God is going to allow it, he only does under a certain condition, that is if one or the other or both have committed sexual immorality, basically cheating. What people really go wrong is what scripture clearly commands what to do and not to do if you choose to divorce. Even Jesus brought this point up to the Pharisees in chapter 19 of Matthew. Matthew 19:3-9 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” ... Mark 10:12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” I mean, wow. That was hardcore wasn't it? Do you have any clue how many Christians alone even disobey God's word here? So many Christian women I have met have divorced even twice and keep jumping to another man. Here says they have committed adultery if they have divorced and married someone else. Matthew 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.” Same thing, but here you see where the Lord says "except." Here's a very clear verse not to marry someone else or divorce, unless you divorce and remarry who you were first married to, and this is right before the part you were talking about in Chapter 7 of 1st Corinthians. It says they are to remain unmarried to anyone unless they remarry who they have divorced. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife. And I point out the aspect of someone's love, their godly love, when they claim they want or they were not wrong for divorcing, that here it shows you don't love who you married if you divorce them, simply divorcing shows your selfish, evil, sinful heart; Malachi 2:13-16 13 Another thing you do: You flood the Lord’s altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer looks with favor on your offerings or accepts them with pleasure from your hands.But you say, “Why does he not?” Because the Lord was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and let none of you be faithless to the wife of your youth. “For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the Lord, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the Lord of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.” This tells us clearly, it bothers the Lord that we want a divorcement. The only places I find where it says someone is free to marry someone else and not be guilty of sin, is when their spouse has died. Verses like this; Romans 7:3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Corinthians 7;15 says you can let someone "leave," that doesn't have to mean divorce. Even so, Paul still told us just before this, 1 Corinthians 7:12-13 12 "To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him." That being said, even if they are an unbeliever, it shouldn't be the Christian's desire to ever leave, but if the unbeliever wants to leave, then it's okay to let them leave. Especially if you study other languages like Greek, it doesn't implicate that it means they should or need to divorce. Not at all. Separation, as in, living elsewhere or going somewhere separately, does not mean a couple is divorced. Still, we must not ignore all these other countless scriptures about divorcement. We should never assume in our own understanding that God is "okay" with our reasons for wanting to divorce. We should take Him at His word in scripture and obey it. We are not simply dealing with a piece of candy being stolen, or even simply a crime, though they are both sin and deserving Hell, we are dealing with the symbol of Christ's marriage with us, the Church! Our physical marriages in flesh are a symbol of our spiritual marriage with Christ. As if man was Christ being the groom, and wife was the Church being the bride. We are taking the symbol of what God has made to show how He wants us to view how we should love someone as God loves us. That no matter what happens and until the end of everything, we are there for each other in love, forgiving and staying together through everything, that we are even sacrificing and even surrendering our lives for someone else. When you keep in mind for any reason that you would want a divorce, you are showing you are putting yourself before the one you married, and that you have set certain conditions they must follow or else you are breaking your covenant you made with them, you even went against such vows as "for better or for worse-" we constantly see that being broken, because when times comes to the worst, it's over and they lied about their vows. If the Lord had set conditions for our marriage with Him, we'd all be doomed for Hell. That isn't how Christ wants us to love our spouses. What also to keep in mind, is not once to we ever see God literally tells us, or anyone, that we SHOULD or MUST divorce, but rather it says in the beginning divorcement wasn't the plan, if you can then stay married, if you divorce then remarry if you can, let no man separate what couple God has joined together, etc- verse after verse telling us to stay committed to that person. And only under 1 condition will God "allow" someone to divorce and not be guilty of sin. Divorcement is NEVER glory to God, but rather a disgrace and dishonor to the symbol of His marriage with the Church, His bride. Remember, Jesus told us that Moses had made a law that we could divorce because of the hardness of our hearts. Anyone thinking about divorcement, dwell on these scriptures, and pray, and ask yourself "Do I want a divorce for my will, or God's will? How can I give glory to God through breaking a covenant unlike the covenant God still hasn't broken with me? Is my heart hardened that I desire a divorcement through my fleshly desires, or is it the Holy Spirit giving me a desire to divorce?" In everything we do, we are to do it for the glory of God. And I cannot find any glory or a good reason to praise God for a divorcement. I never see that as an option in our marriage with my wife, even if she cheated. Because like God chose to love me despite my sin, I want to do the same for my wife and love her and be with her till the very end of my days no matter what she does. I want to love how the Lord loves His Church. God has never forsaken any of those whom He saved, so I don't believe we should forsake our spouses. And surely, we have done much worse before God and to God than our spouses could do to us in a lifetime.

God NEVER wants anyone to divorce for any reason, even cheating. The Bible does say God will allow people to divorce for cheating/sexual immorality, but he didn't say he wanted them to divorce, more that they begged and wanted a divorcement, so God allowed it only under that one reason that it would be acceptable to God and not be a sin to divorce. If you divorce, you break a covenant God made with you two. The Bible says let no man separate what God has joined together, and I view that even the couple themselves should not separate themselves. Your situation isn't clear as others are saying. Btu I've never seen a divorcement make things better, maybe there is less arguing, but overall in other ways, life gets much worse for you, especially for people who follow God. Whether your kids are minors or adults, it will bother them their entire life even years after you're dead and gone. Grandchildren who dont even exist now may feel bad about it later. My wife's grandmother got a divorce for her husband having a second wife. Wowzers! Not just cheating, but he left the country and came back married to a random woman in just a short time. That happened nearly 30 years ago, and till this day, its left her heartbroken and even made it very hard on her children's lives, and even grandchildrens lives. SO even as far as sexual cheating and even another husband or wife, it isn't going to end up being better in every way to divorce, and it is never God's plan according to his word. Rather we should love and be married as Christ is married to the church. No matter what happens between us and God, He never forsakens us, never breaks his vows, never leaves us even though He may at times be unhappy with what we have done, we are still his bride. Marriage on earth is a symbol of our eternal spiritual marriage with the Lord. We Christians are the bride of Christ. We should do the same for our groom and bride here on earth in our short term temporary marriage until we die.

Thoughts, as if, an idea or imagination without desire- no, that's not sin. But desiring and wanting to kill yourself, is wanting something for yourself for a selfish reason that would make you want to commit suicide, and that would be a sin. I've committed suicide, I have contemplated it, and sometimes i just think about it, but the desire isn't really there anymore, i see now that's my flesh talking, and I remembered God stopped me from dying all those times i tried to kill myself and ended up in the hospital, that i know I am no longer my own, I am God's, and it is not right for me to end what is not mine to decide when my life here ends. It would not only be a sin to murder myself, but to also take authority over what is not mine. My body and all of me belongs to the Lord, He will decide how I die.

Thank you, but I'm no longer suicidal or struggling with that. All that is in the past. It's more that I have a happy, positive view of dying is why I want it, not that I am so miserable I want to die. But simply, people always say "who wants to die? No one!" But that isn't true when you compare this imperfect temporary life to a perfect eternal life. I ask, "who doesn't want to leave this sinful world and their flesh and be made perfect in a perfect place?" If I'm going there anyway, I'd rather go there now. Paul the Apostle agreed he wanted to leave this world as well, but at the same time, he finds a reason why he also wants to stay. I see myself carrying out a mission for the Lord's will, then when my fight is over and I have fought the good fight, then the Lord will call me home when He decides when my fight is over. But thank you for your encouragement.

You have much to learn about people's feelings if that is what you believe about suicide. In fact, you've got a lot of it backwards, to be honest. Take some more time to get to know people who are suicidal before you go judging such things. You obviously weren't suicidal yourself, so you can only speak from mental understanding. I've lived the experience, so I know, and you're wrong.