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    You are reading a little too much into the passage. Its not the rapture/parousia/ coming, per se, that destroys the man of sin, but it's the BRIGHTNESS of his coming. The word for brightness is epiphaneia. Paul, and only Paul uses this word in reference to the appearance of Christ. Verse list: 2Th 2:8 KJV And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the BRIGHTNESS of his coming: 1Ti 6:14 KJV That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the APPEARING of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2Ti 4:1 KJV I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his APPEARING and his kingdom; 2Ti 4:8 KJV Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his APPEARING. Tit 2:13 KJV Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious APPEARING of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; In 2 Thess 2:8 Paul equates the timing of the rapture to the appearance of Christ. While we wait for the blessed hope, we serve the Lord Jesus by faith, who is the mystery of godliness: 1Ti 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the MYSTERY of GODLINESS: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Notice the last part of that verse. We (who are now in the world) believe on him, who has been, and currently IS received up into glory. When Christ shall appear, the epiphaneia, at the rapture, the glory of Christ, and the mystery of his godly life, will no longer be a mystery to the world. While Christ is residing in heaven (before the rapture) true godliness (absolute, unequivocal holiness) remains a mystery to the world. And if the elements of godliness are a mystery, so are the elements of iniquity. Said another way: if there is no one in the world that portrays the same holiness of Christ [there is none righteous, no not one], then no one can define/demonstrate what true holiness is, and in essence what constitutes iniquity. The appearance of Christ, with the glory of the Father and the holy angels, will remove the veil (the mystery) of godliness to the world. And if the veil of godliness is removed (by Christ's appearance) then so the veil of iniquity is also removed. In essence, Paul says, until Christ appears, the world will continue to abide in the shadows and mystery of iniquity. The appearance of Christ will make the choice between good and evil, an unmistakeable one. Be Blessed The PuP
  2. Neither "his coming" [which IS the rapture, NOR the gathering together, IS HIS COMING at Armageddon. The gathering together takes place shortly after the rapture and is the same gathering of the elect from the utmost parts of heaven and earh, Mar 13:27. It initiates the reign of the man of sin and the kingdom of the beast for the final 42 months. Both the rapture [ the gathering of the elect of the church] AND the gathering of the elect of Israel, one by one, from the east to the west, from the 4 corners of the planet, BOTH will be preceded by falling away that must come first. Let me explain. Many use Luke 21:36, "pray that you may be worthy to STAND/histemi before the Son of man". Luk 21:36 KJV WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. FOR TO SAY, that some, via the rapture, will escape the trouble of the last days. Is there a "worthiness " that is apart from the gift of salvation? What does it mean to be accounted worthy? Let's look at Ephesians 6. Eph 6:13 KJV Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. What makes up the parts of the armor of God? Truth, righteousness, gospel, faith, salvation and the word. All of these and more [praying, watching, perseverance and bold utterance] are what Paul exhorts the Christian to take unto himself so that he may withstand IN THE EVIL DAY, and afterwards to continue to stand/ histemi. Putting on the whole armor is not for the sake of the outpouring of the wrath of God, but it is to stand/histemi against the wiles of the devil and to quench the fiery darts of the wicked one and to stand/ histemi in the evil day. All of these things are needed to stand/ enistemi in the evil day and against the devil's wiles. So, what happens if we are absent of these things when the evil day comes? We will not be found standing. We will not withstand. We will be aphistemi, standing off from our faith. The "evil day" will cause many to stand off from their faith. What we found as a common denominator of Luke 21;36 and Eph 6:13ff is the command to be watchful and in much prayer. Eph 6 could be worded like this: "Put on the whole armor of God, lest you be found standing off (aphistemi) from the faith. Eph 6:18 KJV PRAYING always with all PRAYER and supplication in the Spirit, and WATCHING thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; Luk 21:36 KJV WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Romans 2 says that day is the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, coming upon Jews and Gentiles alike. It says THAT DAY will manifest the secrets of men's hearts, v.16. It also says that it will come upon those who (truly) are seeking for "glory, honor and immortality" by means of patient continuance WITH ETERNAL LIFE. By this we can see that "That Day " precedes the reward of eternal life. He also says that it will come upon both Jews and Gentiles alike, verses 9-12, [9,10- "Jew first, also the Gentile" v.11, no respect of persons; v.12, those without law and those in the law]. Paul also classified people another way. Those who have patient continuance versus those who are contentious. They are alike, but different in the following way. The contentious "seek for glory and honor" for themselves. Contentious is defined as : 1. electioneering or intriguing for office, 2. partisanship, or fractious/divisive spirit. Those who have patient continuance also "seek for glory and honor", but not for themselves, but by putting others before themselves. These people resign themselves to serving the needs of others ahead of themselves. This is exemplified in the phrase, respect of persons. The scriptures repeatedly condemn this attitude of partiality. We have seen how this EVIL DAY will come upon ALL the world, Christians (and Jews) everywhere, that will cause many (Gentiles) to fall away, to stand off from the Christian faith, i.e. aphistemi, the feminine expressive of apostasy, a falling away. But since this will come upon Jews and Gentiles alike, how can unbelieving Jews be found to fall away from the faith? The answer lies in Romans 11. Rom 11:26 KJV And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: The Deliverer shall "turn away" ungodliness from Jacob. The word for "turn away" is the word apostrepheo, from which we get the word apostrophe, meaning to leave out, or remove something, e.g. can't. in the case of the Jews, as a whole, they are already devoid of faith in Christ. What will be removed from them will be their ungodly ways. This is not saying that they will then be justified by the works of the law, but they will put away their ungodliness in their attempt to fulfill the righteousness which is of the law. There are essentially two types of Jews. 1. Those who keep the law for the sake of pleasing men, justification by works, AND 2. Those who keep the law to please God, i.e. a justification by faith. Thus we have the falling away, apostrepheo, of the Jews from ungodliness. The EVIL DAY will remove ungodliness from Jacob, and from the church simultaneously: apo' strepheo (from the Jews). apo' histemi (from the church). There are others who reject an early (I'm not pretrib) removal of the church, ignoring the words of the apostle Paul: 1Th 5:9 KJV For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, The wrath of God, via the man of sin, will come upon the whole world for rejecting the gospel of the grace of God. It's not simply a matter of God protecting them while dwelling on this planet. But once the church has shone its light during that evil day, during the wrath of the evil one, she will be removed and presented to God the Father as those who are found worthy, standing (histemi) before [the judgment seat of] Christ, for to receive his kingdom. Luk 21:36 KJV Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. THAT DAY will cause a separation to come from within the church and from within the ranks of Judaism. Essentially it will separate out those that seek to please God (THRU FAITH) from those who seek to please God (THRU WORKS). At that point, the church will then be taken to be presented to the Father (because they believed the gospel) 1Th 3:13 KJV To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. 2Th 1:7-10 KJVAnd to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in THAT DAY. 2Th 2:3 KJV Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Be Blessed The PuP
  3. Dan 9:2 KJV In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. Daniels reference to this prophecy made by Jeremiah, is not just "the word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah", concerning the desolations of Jerusalem. But, as Daniel tells us, it is a near word for word reiteration from the law of Moses. 2Ch 36:21 KJV To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years. Lev 26:34 KJV Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. The terms and conditions of God's quarrel in this covenant involve being "in your enemies land". When Cyrus issued his decree, it stopped the counting of years that the children of Israel owes to God for failure to keep the Sabbath years. This is clearly reiterated by Daniel, Jeremiah and Leviticus. The covenant concerning the land promised to Abraham, is repeatedly emphasized in Leviticus. The 70 years of desolation is directly connected to the 490 years of the kingdom stretching from Saul to Zedekiah. It does not refer to the period of the judges because there it is repeatedly stated, "... and the land had rest...". A crucial point to Daniel 9 is their failure to repent. To which Gabriel comes forth with haste of God's commandment to now explain how the mosaic covenant will be implemented in accordance with a sevenfold punishment to finish the transgression. To believe that the desolations of Jerusalem extended beyond the time of the Cyrus decree, means that God, the Lord their God, has broken the covenant that he made with them, abhors them and has cast them off. To believe that the 70 week prophecy, which concerns the desolaions of Jerusalem did not begin until many years later is for God to violate the terms of his covenant that he has made with them. God cannot remember a covenant that he has made, if he has already broken it. Lev 26:42-46 KJV Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD. These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses. The laws of the covenant given to Moses, are unbreakable (by God) and are eternal. This includes all laws pertaining to wherever they may dwell in their wanderings [The books of Leviticus and Numbers] and whenever they dwell in the land and having a place where God has chosen to place his name there as per the book of Deuteronomy. Lev 3:17 KJV It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood. Deu 12:11 KJV Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD: Be Blessed The PuP
  4. Eze 12:21-25 KJV And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD. Did the 70 week prophecy begin at the time Gabriel came to Daniel or later? Not only that, but this passage from Ezekiel declares that when God "speaks" to the people thru a prophet, that this is indeed a "vision", khawzone. And he said that this was true for the past (this is long before Daniel 9) but not in the future, meaning you can't disavow applying this to the word of the Lord that was spoken to Jeremiah.
  5. I watched the videos and here are my observations. 1. The 2 witnesses are not slain "in the city of Jerusalem", but rather in the "street of the city (where our Lord was crucified". It is indeed a reference to Jerusalem, but it is only part of the equation. Isa 11:16 KJV And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt. Isa 35:8 KJV And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein. Because we are near the very end (just before the return of Jesus), we can't rule out the existence of this highway to Jerusalem at this time. 2. Scripture says that the battle will take place outside of the city. Rev 14:20 KJV And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. 3. Where I do agree with DrMH is that Jerusalem IS the reason for the battle of Armageddon. The culmination of the principles and plans of God are manifested in the 7 vials. It is Not just the vials that bring out this holy hatred of all things good and holy, but also the course of events leading up to that day. The culminating event of the 70th week is "to anoint the most holy". I believe that this is referring to the city of Jerusalem AND/ OR the glorious messianic temple that will occupy the city of Jerusalem at his return. Whether the city and/ or temple is arrayed with glory that "will exceed the former temple (of Solomon)" exists AT THE TIME of the return of Jesus, I am not certain. But I do feel that this attempt to destroy Jerusalem at this time is a definite attempt by the forces of the dragon (3 unclean spirits) to prevent or thwart the rule of God on planet earth. And I am ardently supportive of the scriptures that say that this battle takes place "without the city", meaning outside of it. Be Blessed The PuP
  6. If I understand you right, then you are saying that, ... The reason that Gabriel is come to interpret the vision (of Daniel 8) is because the "word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah, Dan 9:2" is not a "vision" and therefore needs no interpretation. Good luck with that. The PuP
  7. Concerning a claim that remains without support, nothing. Your deflection is noted. It's not that i think that the church will be raptured into the presence of Satan's angels. Your belief that the church will be raptured before he is removed that I have a problem with. If the church is to be raptured to a place where he is not, then prove it. You believe that Satan does not have access to heaven, Because you believe in pretrib. You are using the doctrine of pretrib to prove (without any scripture to support) the doctrine that says that satan doesn't have access to the third heaven. Without any scripture to verify the conclusion (3rd heaven) your premise is baseless and contradictory to God's promise to those who are to inherit salvation. Be Blessed The PuP
  8. No one is denying the 3 heavens. I have asked you to provide your evidence of scripture that Satan does not have access to the third heaven. Actually the question is now bigger than that. Let's just suppose that your premise is true, and that Satan is restricted to only the 1st two heavens. QUESTION: What about the angels that will follow him when Rev 12 takes place. Are they currently restricted too? I ask this because it says the angels OF HEAVEN. It could have simply said angels. I think that you are going to have to deny them the same access because the raptured church would be keeping company with "Satan's angels" before they too are expelled from the 3rd heaven. What is your response? Be Blessed The PuP
  9. Jer 26:8-24 KJV Now it came to pass, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the LORD had commanded him to speak unto all the people, that the priests and the prophets and all the people took him, saying, THOU SHALT SURELY DIE. Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the LORD. When the princes of Judah heard these things, then they came up from the king's house unto the house of the LORD, and sat down in the entry of the new gate of the LORD'S house. Then spake the priests and the prophets unto the princes and to all the people, saying, THIS MAN is WORTHY TO DIE; for he hath prophesied against this city, as ye have heard with your ears. Then spake Jeremiah unto all the princes and to all the people, saying, The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that ye have heard. Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you. As for me, behold, I am in your hand: do with me as seemeth good and meet unto you. But know ye for certain, that if ye put me to death, ye shall surely bring innocent blood upon yourselves, and upon this city, and upon the inhabitants thereof: for of a truth the LORD hath sent me unto you to speak all these words in your ears. Then said the princes and all the people unto the priests and to the prophets; THIS MAN is NOT WORTHY to DIE: for he hath spoken to us in the name of the LORD our God. Then rose up certain of the elders of the land, and spake to all the assembly of the people, saying, Micah the Morasthite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and spake to all the people of Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Zion shall be plowed like a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of a forest. Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls. And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of the LORD, Urijah the son of Shemaiah of Kirjathjearim, who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words of Jeremiah: And when Jehoiakim the king, with all his mighty men, and all the princes, heard his words, the king sought to put him to death: but when Urijah heard it, he was afraid, and fled, and went into Egypt; And Jehoiakim the king sent men into Egypt, namely, Elnathan the son of Achbor, and certain men with him into Egypt. And they fetched forth Urijah out of Egypt, and brought him unto Jehoiakim the king; who SLEW HIM with the sword, and cast his dead body into the graves of the common people. Nevertheless the hand of Ahikam the son of Shaphan was with Jeremiah, that they should not give him into the hand of the people to put him to death. If we are among those who are called to live in that time, we will determine our fate. Be Blessed The PuP
  10. You bring out a point, which actually brings out a second point. In verse 4, it says that his tail, [drew] swept [out] a third of the stars of heaven. The origination of events doesn't start with a war in heaven between Satan and Michael, but with the appearance of a woman expectant in child birth. And so [God hatches his plan to "draw"] Satan from his heavenly abode, vacates his place, for the explicit purpose of devouring the child. An evil scheme is Satan's response...And it manifests his hearts desire... And the desires of those who would follow his lead... devour the child. There is just one hitch. He must leave the "comfy" confines of heaven to prevent the world from believing (in) this sign from heaven. [By the way, this sign of the woman giving birth, is the 'sign of the son of man IN heaven ']. And "his angels" follow him (are drawn out after him). And [THEN] there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels VERSUS Satan and his angels. This sign has elucidated the evil desires of the "wicked" angels...to follow Satan...to leave heavens abode. And now that THEIR evil desires have been manifested, Michael stands up to prevent their return. They can no longer return to the former abode. So, you are right. The war in heaven didn't begin until the woman gives birth. By the way... The woman is not Mary... nor is she (the people of) Israel. Isaiah 66 repeatedly says that she (the woman) is Zion, the city of the great king, aka Jerusalem. This is her anointing. The declaration to all the world. Jerusalem is Jesus's capital from where he will reign. 1260 days later [just like Solomon was anointed a second time before he sat on the throne of his father David, 1Chr 29:22,23], Jesus will then sit upon the throne of David. So what is the second point? It is this: One third OF THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN. One third of the WHOLE. One third of the whole part of the angels. What ONE place is the abode of ALL of the angels? "... Of Heaven." Do we have the right to ask, "which heaven, 1st,2nd or 3rd?" The angels have only one abode. Heaven! The abode of God almighty. Be Blessed The PuP
  11. You put forth the (scriptural) notion that "Satan does not inhabit the heaven that is the final home of the saints..." So now you want me to hearken to the teachings of men, over the scriptures? Be Blessed The PuP
  12. Those are good scripture showing the 3rd heaven, where God abides. But two problems still exist. The third heaven is still called the third ouranos... same word. And it does not say that Satan cannot be found there. Can you show me some sort of spatial limitation to where he is limited to? Or perhaps an event in the past that brought about those limitations. In 1 Tim 5:21 Paul makes reference to the elect angels who submit to other authorities without partiality. If there are elect angels, then there must be non-elect angels... angels that show partiality. The word elect infers a chosenness. The inherent nature of a chosen angel is to not be a respector of persons. This means that they serve God out of love for him rather than out of fear of him. The non-elect angels picture God as wielding a big stick. When they are within the realm of what they think is the range of his big stick, ala heaven, they behave. This is what it means when it says that Satan can transform himself into an angel of light...into a "good" angel. Until you can biblically/scripturally define the when or why or how, of his expulsion, this dogma is baseless. Consider this. What do we know about an archangel? There is only one that we know of...His name is Michael. What does he do? He stands up for the children of Israel, Dan 12, Rev 12. He is also found in the book of Jude, keeping his mouth shut. And 1 other place. His shout will precede the rapture of the church (with the voice of The archangel). To make preparation for her holy entrance, Michael will remove Satan from heaven, in preparation for the church. Be Blessed The PuP
  13. I would like to see some scriptural justification for believing this. Cause this is not what I find. E.g., Verse list: Rev 21:2-3 KJV And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of HEAVEN, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of HEAVEN saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Is this the same heaven as this: Rev 12:4 KJV And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. It's the same Greek word, ouranos. It appears that you are you using an otherwise unsubstantiated (by the scriptures) doctrinal position to interpret what a particular scripture means. Please provide a basis for this belief about how heaven is defined. Be Blessed The PuP
  14. That is not what I'm asking. Do you think that God is going to take us, the raptured church, to be with him in heaven, as well as being along side of Satan? [Any Christians that are still on earth, would not have received their glorified bodies. If he can convince angels who have dwelt in God's very presence to sin, what chance would you have? .] Be Blessed The PuP
  15. Your view stems from an incomplete understanding of the use of the word "vision". There are actually two different words that are translated as vision. In Dan 9:23, it is the word, mar-eh', H4758. And in Dan 9:21, it is the word khaw-zone', H2377. [In Dan 9:21] H2377 refers to the raw, uninterpreted vision, as per the symbols seen. Whereas, [Dan 9:23],H4758, refers to the interpretation/ understanding of what was seen, actually means. In Dan 9:21, It is just saying that, I (Gabriel), am the same angel that you seen in an earlier vision/khawzone...namely in chapter 8. And it is there, in ch.8 that Gabriel gives the interpretation, mareh, to Daniel, to which Daniel confesses "no one 'understands' the interpretation/ mareh. This refutes your notion that Gabriel is coming again to interpret what he had already interpreted. What he is coming for, is to interpret the words of Jeremiah concerning the 70 years desolations of Jerusalem. Because a new king, who is not a son of Nebuchadnezzar, Darius, Daniel understands that he doesn't understand how the 70 years are going to be fulfilled. But he does understand that God is going to expand the judgment from failing to keep the land Sabbath for 70 years to 490 years because the children of Israel has failed to repent of her sins, Dan 9:13 KJV As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. It is the law of Moses that specified the punishment for the 70 sabbaths that were not kept. And it is the law of Moses that specifies the sevenfold punishment for the iniquity of not repenting. Daniel understood this part. But Gabriel is now coming to give Daniel "mareh" as to how it will be implemented...aka the 70 sevens. That was not given to Jeremiah. The interpretation WAS given to Daniel. A translation called T4T, translation for translators says just that: Dan 9:21-23 T4T [While I was praying, Gabriel, the angel/one whom I had seen in the vision previously, came flying rapidly to me, at the time in the evening when the priests offered sacrifices. He said to me, 'Daniel, I have come to you to enable you to understand [DOU] clearly the message that God gave to Jeremiah. When you began to plead with God, he gave me a message to pass on to you . He loves you very much, so he has sent me to tell you what he said to me. So now ◄pay attention/listen carefully► in order that you may understand the meaning of what he revealed to Jeremiah.'] To not be mistaken, not only are both words used in Daniel, both words are used and translated as "vision" in the same verse. Dan 8:26 KJV And the vision [interpretation]of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision[what you saw] ; for it shall be for many days. Be Blessed The PuP
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