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  1. *[[Mat 24:42]] KJV* Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. *[[Mat 24:43]] KJV* But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. *[[Mat 24:44]] KJV* Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. These verses contain an obvious truth that pre-tribbers miss. And a not-so-obvious truth that many others (non-pretribbers) miss. We are told in these verses to BOTH watch AND be ready. There is a difference. We are commanded to WATCH, because we don't know when Jesus is coming back. I think most pre-tribbers get this part. After all, that is their central point - you don't know when he is coming. Steve has correctly pointed out that they are watching for his return, but they are not ready for what is coming. Great persecution to be followed by great tribulation[to be followed by great peace]. They think they are ready, but far too many are not. A great falling away is in the offing. What is the OBVIOUS truth found here? It's found in verse 43. If the world (represented individually by the Goodman of the house) KNEW when Jesus is coming, [again, the central point of pretrib is that we don't know] our churches would be full, just prior to that time, expecting the any moment return of our Lord. And we don't know. This brings us to the not so obvious point. If we understood or even believe that we understand the signs of his return [some do! ] that means that we KNOW that his return is absolutely not imminent. In other words, you could say confidently that Jesus is not coming in an imminent, any moment fashion. And so, if the church were to proclaim that Jesus's return was not imminent, THE CHURCHES WOULD BE, BY AND LARGE, EMPTY, because they "knew" that his return was not imminent, and because the world[ that does not believe], [is lost] lives by this motto: eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die, They are without hope. If Christians had hope only in this life... If the world knew that the return of Jesus was not imminent, they would throw a big party. "Knowing", or even believing this, by "the church", manifests the desires of one's heart. Many would, [and will] fall away if they knew, or believed that, to be true. Thus, we have Jesus saying "to be ready ALSO". Why??? Jesus tells us why. *[[Mat 24:44]] KJV* Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour AS YE THINK NOT the Son of man cometh. Jesus is going to come for those WHO ARE READY. Those who serve him regardless of the circumstances and situation going on in the world and around them. Regardless of how much, or how great persecution or tribulation they face; regardless of how great or how how little the world views the likelihood of his return. Now read the rest of Matt 24: *[[Mat 24:48]] KJV* But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord DELAYS his coming; *[[Mat 24:49]] KJV* And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; *[[Mat 24:50]] KJV* The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is NOT AWARE OF, Two points here. 1. The word "delays" his coming, is the word translated as "tarry" in other places, meaning that, "he is being held up and is not coming now". This will be the mood of "Christendom" in those days. After that tribulation. Circumstances will dictate to the world, at that time, that Jesus is not coming [at this time]. This is the same ideology as the "not so obvious point" of the Goodman of the house: Jesus is not coming now, eat drink and be merry. V.50 again: 2. "Not aware" means to be not looking, or expecting him to come. *[[Mat 24:50]] KJV* The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he [IS NOT LOOKING] looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, HOPEFULLY, you can now see why Jesus said to: "be ye ALSO ready", because he is truly going to come when the (church)world, stops expecting him to come. When looking at things from this side (before) the great persecution and tribulation, comes, is hard to visualize how the circumstances could dictate that his return WOULD NOT be imminent in the future, but it will be true. The best way that i could describe the church today[not just pretrib] is that people are serving God out of fear of what is coming, and not out of a real love for God and righteousness, that comes from a personal experience of salvation where Christ truly dwells in their heart. He knows them, because they know him. *[[Mat 7:22]] KJV* Many will say to me in THAT DAY, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? *[[Mat 7:23]] KJV* And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Blessings Da Puppers
  2. Lucifers creation and rebellion.

    HAZARD, In regards to this: V. 5, For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: V. 6, Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: V. 7, But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. I have to laugh every time I read this scripture because I hear the words of Kent Hovind say, '"willingly ignorant" is just another way of saying, "dumb on purpose"'. I have heard you countless times challenge people to explain those verses, only to see no one riseup to three challenge. I hope you were serious and not just using that as a mock defense when i explain to you what Peter is saying there. I will stay away from the beaten dead horse argument a about a pre Adamite race, because that is not what this is about. But to explain what's there you need to go back to verse 3. *[[2Pe 3:3]] KJV* Knowing this first, that there shall come in the LAST DAYS scoffers, walking after their own lusts, *[[2Pe 3:4]] KJV* And saying, Where is the promise of his COMING? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. *[[2Pe 3:5]] KJV* For this they ARE DUMB ON PURPOSE, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: *[[2Pe 3:6]] KJV* Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: *[[2Pe 3:7]] KJV* But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. There are 3 important points. It concerns the use of the words, "last days", "coming/ parousia", and "by the word of God". Concerning the last days, he says that men will walk after their own lusts. What does that mean? He is talking about when the veil of the mystery of iniquity has been removed [2 Thess 2]. After the man of sin has been revealed. I.e., after the rapture. How so? What Paul is explaining in: *[[2Th 2:1]] KJV* Now we beseech you, brethren, by the COMING/parousia of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our GATHERING TOGETHER unto him, The rapture is the parousia. But what 2 Thess 2 is about is when the gathering together takes place. The gathering together is found in Matt 24:31 [shortly after the rapture] : The rapture is found in verse 30 where it says "the coming on the Son with power and great glory. Then, afterwards the gathering of the elect will take place: *[[Mat 24:31]] KJV* And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Back to 2 Thess 2. It is the brightness of his coming... His parousia... The rapture... when every eye shall see him... clothed in the glory, the holiness of his Father, that will manifest the wicked thoughts of mankind. Until that time the mystery of iniquity will be at work, and Christ will remain to be seen as the mystery of godliness: *[[1Ti 3:16]] KJV* And without controversy great is the MYSTERY OF GODLINESS: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. When the rapture takes place the whole world will have seen the glory of God, in Christ. And they will know the way of salvation. The choices will be clear. Holiness or ungodliness. So when Peter says that they will walk after their own lusts, he is telling us anout those days. There will no longer be any doubts about what constitutes the way of righteousness/ holiness, and what constitutes iniquity. Right & wrong will be as clear as black & white. There won't be any grey areas. So this all takes place after the rapture... After the great tribulation... after heaven and earth passes away. But Peter says that he looks for a new heaven and new earth...WHEREIN DWELLS RIGHTEOUSNESS. He goes onto to say, "what manner of persons you ought to be, seeing that these things shall pass away with fervent heat". So, what is he saying? There will be people that survives, on earth, these horrific times when the earth undergoes its "baptism of fire". But when will that be? AFTER the rapture, but BEFORE the 2nd advent. They will say, "where is the promise of his coming?". We survived [in an unrepentant state of mind!] "But we look for NHNE wherein dwelleth righteousness". All things continue as from the beginning of the creation. When he talks about "standing out of the water, and in the water", he is most certainly talking about thee flood. Notice the words of Peter, "by the word of God...". They KNOW what the word says. Noah's flood is a very clear and detailed account of what happened. Recorded in God's word. No one, especially the vast majority of professing Christendom, knows anything about a Luciferian flood, a pre-Adamite flood, because its not found in the word of God. These last days scoffers KNOW about the flood... Noah's flood! because its written down. "BY THE WORD OF GOD!" And they walk after their own lusts, walking in the manifest path of iniquity. This may not completely quell your notion of a pre-Adamite world, but it should remove the subject of 2 Peter3 from a supporting position. There is only one flood mentioned in scripture for a reason. Blessings Da Puppers
  3. The Measuring of the Temple

    When the sacrifices resume on temple mount, how will you view that? [I am not looking for a cop out answer and say that it isn't going to happen, what will be your response, if they do? ] Da Puppers
  4. The Last Trumpet

    Do you think nobody died while Jesus lived upon earth during his ministry? It does not say this was a great mass of people, which is what you have if this was based on him going to the realm of the dead and proclaiming victory. Rev. 11 bears witness to the prophets and saints still awaiting their judgment. Hearing the gospel while dead? Sounds like some form of purgatory to me. As I said earlier, the proclamation that Jesus made [1 Peter 3] was directed only at those from those living during the preparations of the ark. The longsufferring of God. I never said nor believed that these people didn't believe in Jesus. Those are your ideas not mine. At least you agree that these people are the firstfruits of the resurrection of life, and reject the idea of an en masse only resurrecting of the righteous. I don't ascribe to any kind of empty compartment no longer occupied. I didn't quote Enoch. I just showed how the scriptures agreed with what is there, identifying them in scriptures [paradise, death, hell, perdition]. Enoch did not identify them by name. Our bible does that. He states that 3 are for the wicked, 1 for the righteous. If someone gave you a vision of the afterlife, would you believe them? Hopefully you would compare it with scripture. That's what i did and found no contradiction. As far as "death and hell" and the 4th beast goes. This is just a reiterating of how the harvest takes shape. The tares, the children of the wicked one, are removed out of the kingdom first, then the wheat is gathered. Eze 5,7,14,37,38,39; Jer 25; Joel 2,3;Amos 1,2; Isa 2,10,13,27,34; and other scriptures show that the 4 seals of Rev. 6 are directed at Jerusalem, removing from the kingdom, those things that offend, FIRST! Destinations: Death & Hell! Da Puppers
  5. The Last Trumpet

    To answer your last question first. There are 4 places reserved for the spirits of dead men. Paradise, death, hell, and perdition, also known as the bottomless pit. The righteous go to paradise, also identified as the sea of glass, the crystal sea, found, in the realm of the spirit, nearest and beneath the throne of God. *[[Rev 4:6]] KJV* And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. Beyond that is a great gulf fixed where the wicked reside. *[[Luk 16:26]] KJV* And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. There are two compartments here called death and hell. *[[Rev 6:8]] KJV* And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. The 4th place is perdition, a place called destruction. Pharaoh, the king of Tyre, Judas, the man of sin, have reservations there, amongst several other multitudes of people listed in Ezekiel 26-32. These 4 compartments are identified in the book of Enoch and are confirmed in scripture. The only place i am concerned with going is paradise. Why do you keep bringing up Matt? These people came out of the graves, after his resurrection as the firstfruits of the resurrection. They were not raised by Jesus in the likeness as Lazarus. It does not say that they died again. So what's the problem? Paradise is beneath the altar that is before the throne. *[[Rev 6:9]] KJV* And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: *[[Rev 6:11]] KJV* And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. *[[Rev 7:9]] KJV* After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with WHITE ROBES , and palms in their hands; *[[Rev 15:2]] KJV* And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Contrary to what most people think, white robes are not indicative of immortality. But they do indicate righteousness. The should under the altar in Rev. 6 proves that. The great multitude in Rev. 7, likewise, have not been raptured [they have white robes too]. Neither are the ones in Rev. 15 possessors of immortality. They are standing ON the sea of glass, paradise. Solomon, or someone who knew, knew about the sea of glass, when he created the brazen sea that sat beneath the cherubims. He knew where the righteous dwelt in waiting after death. This same sea is the sea that will be no more when death is abolished and death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. Did you get that? Death and Hell. The abodes of the wicked. Cast into the lake of fire. These Harpers, standing on the sea of glass will be resurrected too. And it's an identifiable event in The Book, if you know what to look for. I give you a big hint. The mighty angel in Rev 10 is standing with one foot on the earth and one foot on the sea of glass, bridging the gap of the great gulf fixed, so that the righteous prophets and saints, can be reunited with their earthly bodies at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. I take it that you don't understand the physics of a resurrection event. Billions of pounds of force exerted simultaneously on the surface of earth will produce an earthquake >10.0 in magnitude. The earthquake of Ezekiel 37 is not just a symbolic earthquake. It is the same one found in Rev. 11. *[[Eze 37:7]] KJV* So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, [ra'ash, an earthquake] and the bones came together, bone to his bone. Original: רעשׁ Transliteration: ra‛ash Phonetic: rah'-ash BDB Definition: quaking, rattling, shaking earthquake quaking, trembling (of person) shaking, quivering (of dart) Origin: from H7493 TWOT entry: 2195a Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine Strong's Definition: From H7493; vibration, bounding, uproar: -commotion, confused noise, earthquake, fierceness, quaking, rattling, rushing, shaking. Blessings Da Puppers
  6. The Last Trumpet

    You haven't proven anything. 1 Peter 3 is about Jesus preaching to the souls of men who's thoughts were evil continually. It says "in the days when the ark was preparing". *[[Gen 6:5]] KJV* And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. *[[1Pe 3:20]] KJV* Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God WAITED in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. God gave them undeserved mercy. He could have destroyed them like the men of Sodom. But God waited on them. They spurned God's certain judgment, while the ark was building. Christ was not bound by the chains of death, being made alive in the spirit. Their judgment was made certain, [their rebellion in the flesh], by Christs victory over sin, all sin. They were nor freed. But his appearance to therm quelled all hopes they had of not being judged as men in the flesh, i.e., having the flesh as an excuse for their sin. *[[1Pe 3:22]] KJV* Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. Secondly, Christ didn't give gifts because he descended, but because he ASCENDED, as a man, to the Father. He ascended "upon high" means to the Father. Jesus said it himself. "No man hath ascended to the Father, but the SON of man". No man had attained to the righteousness to stand, AS A MAN, before the Father, and live. It was his sinless life, as a man, that enabled him to ascend to the Father, as a man, that brings about the gifts of the spirit in our fleshly bodies, because it is his spirit, God's presence, in his body, that now dwells in our bodies, teaching us of the things of the spirit realm. The things that we as men, have not seen, can now be known, because he has given us of his spirit. *[[1Co 2:9]] KJV* But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. *[[1Co 2:10]] KJV* But God HATH REVEALED them unto us By HIS SPIRIT: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. AGAIN, it's not his descending that he gave these gifts, [ and he is talking about living as a man in human flesh upon this earth, descending to the lower parts, THE EARTH], but his afterwards ascending to the Father, as a man, that we have been given gifts. Leading captivity captive has nothing to do with the transporting of souls to heaven, but is the removing of the veil, from not knowing, to knowing, that we have eternal life, [men were all their lives, subject unto the fear of death] the life that is in the SON, dweliing in us. David, knowing that Christ did not suffer the corruption of sin in his body, now knows, with certainty, that his soul will not be left in hell, because of the life of God's son that he lived. Blessings Da Puppers
  7. I believe i heard this from Kent Hovind. There is/ was a ridge that runs perpendicular to the canyon gorge having the same rock striations on both sides that is 1500 feet higher than where the Colorado river enters the canyon. This resulted in the formation of Grand lake. The canyon was formed when the water broke thru, in a short amount of time. Da Puppers
  8. The Last Trumpet

    And Paul is clearly speaking only of the resurrection OF LIFE to them who are "in Christ". Nowhere does her speak of the resurrecting of damnation. And he clearly shows that it is not en masse. If you weren't so opposed to multiple resurrection events (of the righteous!), it would not come as such a surprise that John actually tells us of, not one or two events, but three of them(the three that i mentioned earlier) in the book of Revelation. Da Puppers
  9. The Last Trumpet

    I didnt add the "s" to firstfruit. It is there in KJV. IF I say that there is fruit on the table, does that preclude there being more than one? No, it does not. "Fruit" is obviously in the singular tense, but can refer to the plural without the added "s". Let us take a fruit break would clarify that more than one is meant. We have to rely on the context sometimes to give clarity. In this case we have two clarifiers. The plural "them" and "slept" as referring to someone more than Christ who "was" in the grave. The translators added the "s" for clarity, not confusion. The PuP
  10. The Last Trumpet

    Is it a minor details that are being ignored in 1 Cor 15? *[[1Co 15:19]] KJV* If in this life only we have hope IN CHRIST, we are of all men most miserable. WHO is the focus of this verse and those that immediately follow? THOSE who are IN CHRIST. THOSE who have believed in him. Read on. *[[1Co 15:20]] KJV* But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the FIRSTFRUITS of THEM that slept. Here we have the identity of those who rose from the dead at the time of Christ's resurrection. Calling them the firstfruits, saying that these are "THEM THAT SLEPT", past tense AND PLURAL "them", and not just Christ himself, them being IN CHRIST. Read some more. *[[1Co 15:21]] KJV* For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so IN CHRIST shall all be made alive. DO you see who is being referred to here? THOSE who are IN CHRIST. Read some more. *[[1Co 15:23]] KJV* But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. We havealready identified who the firstfruits are [past tense]. Then we have "afterward", as in talking place in their order. You see, first resurrection is about the order in which they who are "in Christ" are resurrected. And not as in being en masse, IN CHRIST. 1. Firstly- Christ & firstfruits. 2. Secondly- those who are HIS "at his coming". 3. Thirdly , *[[1Co 15:24]] KJV* Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Who are those that participate in the FIRST RESURRECTION? Those that do not fire the second death being cast into the lake of fire after the GWTJ. There will be some, according to Paul in 1 Cor 15 and John in Rev 20 that will be found in the book of life. So, verse 24 is about those who will be found to be "in Christ" after the 1000 years. So, I will repeat. The "first" resurrection is not about being the first of two resurrection events, but concerns those who will receive the resurrection of life because they are "in Christ." Blessings The PuP
  11. The Last Trumpet

    It is a mistake to say that the trumpet of the rapture and the last trumpet are one and the same. But the last trumpet of 1 Cor 15, concerns the time to inherit the kingdom of God, the promise made to Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob. And it is the 7th, or last trumpet of Rev. 11. For it says, that the kingdom's of this world are become the kingdoms of our God and HIS CHRIST. But nobody is taken to heaven at that time. It is the time (of Jacobs trouble) when the children of the kingdom shall experience weeping and gnashing of teeth when they see: *[[Mat 8:11]] KJV* And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. *[[Mat 8:12]] KJV* But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The rapture trumpet will precede the last trumpet. And then there will be a great trumpet as per: *[[Isa 27:13]] KJV* And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem. *[[Mat 24:31]] KJV* And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The great trumpet odds neither the rapture trumpet, nor the last trumpet, but is the jubilee trumpet blown on the day of atonement and will be the one that the lord himself shall blow. The day of vengeance and the acceptable year of the Lord occurs in the same year. *[[Isa 61:2]] KJV* To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; *[[Isa 61:3]] KJV* To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. *[[Isa 61:4]] KJV* And they shall BUILD the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the DESOLATIONS of many GENERATIONS. The first trumpet involves Michael, the last (2nd) one involves Abraham et al, and the Great one involves the Lord. *[[Rom 11:26]] KJV* And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Da Puppers
  12. how to post

    Thanks wingnut. I enjoy reading others thoughts. And sometimes commenting. Puppers
  13. how to post

    Yes, i do. Thank you for the help. Puppers
  14. how to post

    I was browsing different threads but did not see a button for replying. Does that come up after i make 3 posts "here"? Da Puppers