Patrick Miron

Hi Patrick 10-03-18 needs reply Worthy Christians Forum/Indulgences [1] One of my degrees is a Bachelor's of Religion with an emphasis on NT studies. When you say "1,500 years": 1) The Reformation did not start with Luther, but much earlier [2] 2) Since Peter was told you are "Petrus, a little pebble, and I, Jesus Christ, am the ROCK," I place the Roman church as starting with Constantine and his mother [3] One logical possibility, since thousands of the sects you mentioned "all have different doctrines" but ALL never "found" Marian worship, Ex Cathedra, celibate priests and other heinous doctrines--respectfully--these are heinous doctrines to me--in the scriptures, either all of these are deviant, lost sects, that thousands of times started or schism-started based on their adherence to the Bible--or the RCC is wrong. [4] PS. Again, please don't get angry with me, but if it was "Rome's Bible" you can understand why I find it also heinous to persecute and kill people for daring to want to put Rome's Bible in the hands of Rome's thralls. [5] I have little problem with the many poor Catholic doctrines, frankly, my problem is they have the wrong gospel. Salvation is by faith, not works, and we can discuss that as brothers even if I'm not as deep in my Catholic studies as you--we're talking about a BIBLE STUDY. [6] Pushing tradition above BIBLE STUDY is upsetting to me. If you want to convict my conscience, let's go from the Bible, not Douay commentary. I never want to argue again with you the fact that I'm in the universal church without being in the Catholic "universal!" church. Can we talk Bible or not? Hi, and thanks for the POST. I have taken the liberty of numbering your points; which God willing I sj=hall reply to [1] Correct; I’m aware of that. Wycliffe, and to a lesser degree Has in the 14th Century were an early influence on 16th Century, Marin Luther {an apostate Catholic Monk} who is the recognized “Father” of the Protestant Revolution. And there were others as well. [2] I AM shocked to see that some seminaries are still teaching this unable to be substantiated claim: 1. Jesus Spoke Aramaic; not Greek. In THAT language the ONLY translation for Peter is “Rock.” John.1: 40 to 42 “One of the two who heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. He first found his brother Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which means Christ). He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas" (which means Peter). [WHICH MEANS ROCK] Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results {a decidedly Non-Catholic site} Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results Result of search for "Peter": 2786. Kephas kay-fas' of Chaldee origin (compare 3710); the Rock; Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:--Cephas. 4074. Petros pet'-ros apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than 3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle:--Peter, rock. Compare 2786 Result of search for "Cephas": 2786. Kephas kay-fas' of Chaldee origin (compare 3710); the Rock; Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:--Cephas. www.agapebiblestudy.com: "Cephas" is the Greek transliteration of Peter's Aramaic name "Rock" = Kepha, or perhaps in Galilean Aramaic "Qepha". Only John among the Gospels gives this form of Peter's name but it is also the preferred name that St. Paul uses when he writes about Peter.” Feed MY Sheep John 21:15-17 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." [16] A second time he said to him, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." [17] He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, "Do you love me?" And he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep I CAN provide a detailed list of 50 Peter Bible FIRST references if you’d care to see it? [3] If you actually care to discuss this plethora of seemingly unjustifiable issues one by one; we can do that. [4] Protestant TRICK #? When you don’t have an intelligent response; mock and attack {it’ll work some of the time}; BUT not with me. If you wish to discuss these issue individually; then let’s do so. BUT I expect to answer question you deem worthy to ask; and EXPECT the same curtesy in return. And name calling and accusations is just childish! Your highly educated; I’m just a high school graduate. Surely you were trained to do better than what you have exhibited in this POST? I noticed that I have yet to see the term “Truth” in your points. [5] Sure, I’m not on your level; but am still willing to discuss salvation history with you. Lead on, if that is what you wish to discuss? [6] No my new friend I will not let you tell ME what I can use as evidence. The Douay Bible, as I hope you would have discovered in your studies; pre dates the King James in Publication date. And The Douay is a English Translation of the 4th Century Latin Vulgate. This was of course the WORLDS Bible until the Douay and King James. The verbal is in your court friend. May Jesus guide our Life paths, Patrick

BUT did you actually Learn what Jesus Taught: Seems not. John 20: [24] Now Thomas, one of the twelve, who is called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. [25]The other disciples therefore said to him: We have seen the Lord. But he said to them: Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe. [26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said: Peace be to you. [27] Then he saith to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing.[28] Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. [29] Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed. [30] Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book. [31] But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name. Friend, you don't seem to know what you're preaching Patrick

Actually IT IS; but you have it would seem, denied the grace to see it. {Its right next to the term "bible" Research the Origin of the Bible and HISTORY and origin of the Roman Catholic Church. Then maybe we can have an intelligent discussion. Mt. 28:16-20 [16] And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [17] And seeing him they adored: but some doubted. [18] And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [19] Going therefore, TEACH YOU ALL nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world. DOUAY BIBLE EXPLANATION [18] "All power": See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ's church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14." SO FRIEND IF THIS IS NOT PASSING ON CHRIST FAITH THROUGH HIS APOSTLES; PERHAPS YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH TO TRANSLATE THIS FOR US. God Bless you, Patrick

Friend, do yourself and your Soul a huge favor. Google the history of 1. The Bible 2. The Roman Catholic Church The Bible was exclusively a CATHOLIC Book for 1,500 years BEFORE the Protestant revolution. Once you complete YOU'RE research, we MIGHT have something to discuss God Bless you, Patrick

And YOU know this exactly How? The Bible is a Catholic Book my friend. Do some research actual research on the origin of the Bible. Your understanding is SHOCKINGLY ignorant {uniformed} God Bless you, Patrick

[1]The Disciples weren't and are not priests, Done let the Catholics con you with there erroneous beliefs. Eph 4: 11 says Jesus gave. Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers... Where is the priest? where is the pope??. Nowhere in the Biblical New Testament Church [2]Jesus said EVERY believer will do the same works that Jesus did. Jn 14: 12, and EVERY believer shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mk 16: 17--18. [3]I have explained what Jn 20: 23 means, and how you CAN'T take ONE out of context verse to build a doctrine on. There is no such Biblical thing as the sacrament of penance. It's one of the erroneous teachings that the Catholics made up. [4]Forget Lev 5, It isn't in the New Testament Church age. Friend your looking to argue about things you seem not to know anything about. I have neither the time nor the energy anymore to do so. I'm a teacher, not a debater these days God Bless you Patrick

OH! Who picks who gets saved and others sent to hell? Really? 1. So for at least 1,500 YEARS before the Reformation, we Catholics got it "all wrong."? And then for 500 more years we still haven't embraced Protestant theology; choosing to rather keep the OLD "Tried and True" Original set of Faith beliefs of Jesus Himself passed on to Us Catholics.... Go figure. 2. Point #2 is the Bible my friend s a Catholic Book. It was the early Catholic Fathers who guided by the HS selected amidst much debate the 46 OT books to be included; and Catholic men {including 5 Apostles} who AUTHORED the ENTIRE NT.... Does it not seem strange to YOU that Protestants with literally thousands of differing sets of Faith beliefs {each and every "church" is self-identified by its OWN freely chosen set of faith-beliefs} are attempting to tell the Catholics with ONE set of 2,000 year Old Faith beliefs what the ITS OWN Bible is teaching? 2 Peter 1: [16] For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. [17] For when he received honor and glory from God the Father and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased," [18] we heard this voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. [19] And we have the prophetic word made more sure. You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. [20] First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, [21] because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. Douay Bible explanation 20 "No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation"... This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. 21 For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost. End Quotes 2nd. Peter 3: 14-18 “ [15] And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. [17] You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness. [18] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and unto the day of eternity. Amen. Then if the above is not grasped in its significance to you; please consider the following. Duet. 4: 2 “ [2] You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Duet 12:32 [32] What I command thee, that only do thouto the Lord: neither add any thing, nor diminish. Rev. 22:19 “ [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book. In addition to textual changes to accommodate their NEWLY invented religions; Luther {a Apostate Catholic Monk; and Calvin an Apostate Catholic deleted 7 entire books from the bible as they somehow conflicted with what THEY wanted to teach; and you my friend are going to lecture me about not rightly understanding OUR Bible.?.... Go figure. Psalm 30:24-25 "[24] O love the Lord, all ye his saints: for the Lord will require truth, and will repay them abundantly that act proudly. [25] Do ye manfully, and let your heart be strengthened, all ye that hope in the Lord. May Jesus guide our life path’s, God Bless you, Patrick

Thank you so much. Salvation is a lifetime TEST. {Isa. 43: 7 & 21} Other than Christian Baptism, I can think of no other single act; single belief that by itself can {or does} have the power or authority to insure one’s {anyone’s} salvation. {The Sacrament of Final Anointing; similar to Baptism, includes as the NORM, Sacramental Confession; and like Baptism does also removes ALL Temporal Punishment as well is actually several actions inter connected.} Sacred Tradition Does not so much “Trump” Scripture as act as confirmation of it. That said though the Catholic Church is a Church Of the Bible. There ought not to be contradictions when both are rightly understood. An Imprimatur in and of itself does not make a book “OFFICIAL” Catholic Doctrine. Rather it is assurance that what it teaches and contains conforms with the Catholic Ordinary Magisterium. God Bless you friend, Patrick

Dear friend, I TRULY am grateful for your thoughtful reply. PLEASE do yourself a favor and look up the lengthy and evidenced response I made on this topic eariler. I'm 74 and not in great health, and have neither the energy of the time to keep repeating myself. May Jesus guide our life paths, Patrick

Okee-Dokee, if you say so God Bless you friend Patrick

SORRY, I don't understand how that happened God Bless you, Patrick

Thanks friend for sharing you're thoughts Patrick

My friend, that is an "ignorant" {uninformed} statement. The many investigated Catholic Saints {capitol "S"] were perfect which is how and WHY they are saints. Then there are the multitude of investigated "saints" {small "s", who too are saints}☺️ This is largely possible by the Sacrament of the "Last Rites" {James 5:14} " [14] Is any man sick among you? Let him bring inthe priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him." Similar to Sacramental Baptism; this Sacrament too {which as the NORM /with exceptions] includes Sacramental Confession; removes ALL sins as well as the Temporal Punishment attached to all sins; hence a Soul is literally "made Perfect" and should that persona die before sinning again; that Soul would ascend directly init heaven. God Bless you, Patrick

Indeed Salvation is an OFFERED Gift from God; only NOT in the manner believed by you and most Protestants. Salvation is a process and Life itself is Thee God Test. {Isaiah 43: 7 & 21} I respectfully remind you again the we Catholics were being Saved Christ way for fifteen centuries before Luther's' lead Protestant reformation {which BTW is found exactly where in the bible?} God Bless you Patrick

OK, I'll bite {even though I KNOW what your going to say}; so YOU prove it. God Bless you, Patrick

Your kidding right? John 20: 19-23 [19] Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples {NOW TERMED PRIEST...SEE MT 10:1-4} were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to THEM: Peace be to YOU [20] And when he had said this, he shewed THEM his hands and his side. The disciples {PRIEST} therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord. [21] He said therefore TO THEM again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent ME I also send YOU. {WITH SOME OF MY GODLY POWERS AND AUTHORITY...AGAIN SEE MT 10:1-8 [22] When he had said this, he breathed ON THEM and he said to them: Receive YOU the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins YOU shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins YOU shall retain, they are retained. Friend even without the benefit of God's grace; even a second grader could rightly translate this passage. Mt.10: 1-4 ;/2 "[1] And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. [2] And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, [3] James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, [4] Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. [5] These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go YOU..... The term disciple and Apostle are often interchangeable. One prudently must be able to discern to WHOM Jesus is speaking to [1] directly [2] precisely & [3] exclusively including their successors {Mt 10:1-8 compared to Mt 28:18-20.} you'll find the term priest {S IN CATHOLIC-PRIEST] right next to the term "bible" in the Bible Repentance is ONLY the 1st necessary step: Jesus wan't inventing the wheel here: He was following OT practices; and perfecting them in and through HIS Catholic Priest. Lev. 5: [5] Let him do penance for his sin, [6] And offer of the flocks an ewe lamb, or a she goat, and the priest shall pray for him and for his sin: [16] And he shall make good the damage itself which he hath done, and shall add the fifth part besides, delivering it to the priest, who shall pray for him, offering the ram, and it shall be forgiven him Friend the OT leads to the NT which is fulfilled and even Perfected by Jesus. So a question: IF as you indicate, John 20:19-23 is NOT Jesus instituting the Sacrament of Penance {known SIN forgiveness} why then do you suppose this is in the Holy Spirit Inspired Bible? And secondly; just how is you feel empowered to teach Christ Church; the birthers of the bible; what it means? ...We HAD the bible for at least 1,500 years before your Protestant faith came along. ... May the Holy Spirit lead our life paths, Patrick

REPLY to #1 of 4 keep It’s NOT a matter of Faith, so much as it IS a matter of Faith combined with WORKS: James Chapter Two: 11] For he that said, Thou shalt not commit adultery, said also, Thou shalt not kill. Now if thou do not commit adultery, but shalt kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. [12] So speak ye, and so do, as being to be judged by the law of liberty. [13]For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment. [14] What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? [15] And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food: [16] And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? [17] So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. [18] But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. [19] Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. [20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? [21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. [24] Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? [25]And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way? [26] For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.” This is my reply to your #1 God Bless, Patrick

God in order to BE God in an absolute sense MUST create a place; a situation where Souls not worthy of eternal Hell, yet not literally Perfect; as ALL Souls must be to enter into heaven {whether you choose to believe it or not to still become "perfect" in order to enter into heaven.} I HAVE in an eariler POST evidenced the existence of Purgatory in depth and detail; even proving its teaching from the bible. I simply do not have either the time nor the energy to repeat it again. PLEASE look for it, and if you then have questions; I'll gladly discuss them with you. God Bless you, Patrick

The point is the charge was made that the church was, the church,( your church) was doing this practice. The whole idea that one had to do anything to satisfy the church for any wrong doing as act of penance was not biblical. David in Psalm 53 said it well. Lord you do not want sacrifice lest I would give it, but a broken and contrite heart thou will not despise. The problem is that your church took apon itself the authority to do at will whatever it wanted assuming they had power to do so. That is the point. No, incorrect as written. REMOVE and change "had to" and replace it could OPTION t do and you'd be closer to the truth. Indulgences themselves are OPTIONS; not MANDATES Further your understanding of the Absolute need {now or in Purgatory} stems from a dual misunderstanding: The full- nature of Sin The Divine Nature as to how it MUST relate to sin, which I'm to tired to night to get into {its profound and lengthy}, but if you'd like to discuss it let me know. Further, the bible itself teaches that not everything can be, ought to be, and was even desired to be in the bible {also a separate topic we can discuss} God Bless you NEW friend, Patrick

No, of course not! That too is and WAS s sad part of our 2,000 year history. Its been abrogated LONG AGO.... and your point is? God Bless you, Patrick

1. Yes; but by different standards Eph. 2:8 2. No: John the Baptist was a Christian; hence his Baptisms although theologically incomplete; were nevertheless Valid even if not licit. Salvation for THEM would have been accounted for in a similar manner as OT salvation was possible by a Just God. Of NOTE: These Baptisms were prior to John 3:5 and Mt 28: 19 These souls could then be rebaptized with the new Commanded manner of Mt 28:19 3. Salvation is a lifetime PROCESS, so they were in the process of being "saved." God Bless you, Patrick

[1] How can we prove that the Eucharist is the body of Christ? [2] Is it cannibalism to say it’s Jesus flesh and blood? I know it isn’t myself but that’s the question my mum asked Allow me to answer the second part first: No it is not cannibalism; although that is precisely what some of the followers of Jesus was teaching thought, and therefore abandoned him as being a lunatic. John 6:47-57 “[47] Amen, amen {MEANS: TRULY; TRULY} I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove {argued} among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. [56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.” {Which is precisely what does take place in Catholic Holy Communion…. So mum’s question is a good one.} ….. 1 For God time does not exist; past, present and future are ALL present to God all of time. 2 The Jesus we receive Catholic Holy Communion is the NOW GLORIFIED Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus {NOT the corporal Body, and Blood} It is nevertheless the Real Jesus; Body; Blood; Soul and Divinity {the ENTIRE Christ.} 3 This article gives a brief and lucid explanation which I will expand greatly upon. 4 Now let’s skip to enf and the REST of the story. John 6: 67-70 “ [67] After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him. {Deserted; abandoned Him} [68] Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? [69] And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. [70] And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God. 5 So now we can see that the necessary ingredient,{missing from those who LEFT Jesus; is} “Faith” which comes from accepting Gods free OFFER of grace necessary to believe that which is not logically comprehensible; which is NOT to say that it cannot be proven. The Eucharist {Real Presence} is actually two back to back miracles and a Mystery which I will explain. “FAITH. The acceptance of the word of another, trusting that one knows what the other is saying and is honest in telling the truth. The basic motive of all faith is the authority (or right to be believed) of someone who is speaking. This authority is an adequate knowledge of what he or she is talking about, and integrity in not wanting to deceive. It is called divine faith when the one believed is God, and human faith when the persons believed are human beings. (Etym. Latin fides, belief; habit of faith; object of faith.)”…From Father John A. Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary Rosemarie, do you know what Divine Providence is? Divine Providence “Traditional theism {belief in just one God} holds that God is the creator of heaven and earth, and that all that occurs in the universe takes place under Divine Providence — that is, under God’s sovereign guidance and control. According to believers, God governs creation as a loving father, working all things for good. Moreover, it is said, God is an absolutely perfect being. He is, first of all, omniscient or all-knowing: he knows of all truths that they are true, and of all falsehoods that they are false, whether they pertain to past, present or future. And God’s knowledge does not change. Nothing is learned or forgotten with him; what he knows, he knows from eternity and infallibly. Second, God is omnipotent or all-powerful: anything that is logically possible, he can do. Finally, God is perfectly good: in all circumstances he acts for the best, intending the best possible outcome”” My personal definition is a bit different. God is on our side so anytime He can be of assistance He just jumps right in. {I have personally experienced this often in my Ministry.} Below is an example; I just now sat down to begin my reply to you, and discovered that I had just received a new e-mail. I’m sharing it with you because it is ONE of the proofs that we can put forward. {Hence: Divine Providence} Choose: Liar, Lunatic, or Lord Readings for August 19, 2018 Proverbs 9:1-6 Psalm 34 Ephesians 5:15-20 John 6:51-58 “Christ either deceived mankind by conscious fraud, or He was Himself deluded and self-deceived, or He was Divine. There is no getting out of this trilemma. It is inexorable.” -Mark Hopkins, Lectures on the Evidences of Christianity, 1844 This threefold choice of Jesus’ divinity, later advanced in the writings of CS Lewis (and, more recently for the podcast viewing public, Fr. Mike Schmitz), says we must choose whether Jesus is a liar, lunatic, or Lord. Because he lays claim to being the Son of God, and because he asserts authority to forgive sins, and because he offers himself as “true food,” he cannot simply be a good teacher, a kind and loving religious leader, or an ecclesial role model. In this Sunday’s Gospel passage from John, Jesus says “I am the Bread of Life,” which seemed an acceptable enough analogy after thousands of Jews were fed with a few barley loaves. But Jesus becomes more pointed, saying “the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world … my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.” Wait … what? Jesus crosses the line from a happy metaphor about bread and delves into a bit of … lunacy, right? I mean, it sounds a bit like cannibalism. Did he mean what he said? Apparently, he did. “As a result of this [teaching], many of his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.” (John 6:66) And when the disciples left, there is no scriptural reference to Jesus calling everyone back, saying “hold on, hold on. What I meant to say was …” And that is why I, as a Catholic view the Eucharist not only as a symbol or an analogy, but as Jesus’ true food containing the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. Given the threefold choice between liar, lunatic, or Lord, the disciples who stopped following Jesus chose “lunatic.” The religious leaders of his day chose “liar.” To them, claiming to be the Son of God and claiming to have the power to forgive sins was blasphemy. I choose “Lord.” Whether touched by wisdom or, conversely, accepting of my simplicity, I know and believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Lord, the Son of the living God sent by the Father in expiation for my sins. I know and believe this because I see the workings of Christ’s Gospel every day. I know and believe this because I see his love, undeserved, poured out before me. And I know and believe this because I count myself as blessed to “taste and see the goodness of the Lord” even in this broken world (or, rather, especially in this broken world.) As a believer, I would be both a lunatic and a liar to go back to my former way of life. Jesus is Lord and I want to live as he taught because I crave the living bread he offers me. I choose to accompany him on this earth so that I can be in full communion with him in glory. Join with me. “Glorify the Lord with me, let us together extol his name.” Jesus, I know and believe you are the Christ, my Lord and savior. I accept the bread you offer and will drink of the cup so that I can be with you in paradise. In thanksgiving for your mercy on me, a sinner, I will forever sing your praise. Amen END QUOTES This IS my favorite topic; and I have written extensively on it. So I can offer you a few options. Would you like the short course of the Lengthy course? {You’re call.} In answer to mum’s great question; here are some basics 1. God in order to BE God cannot lie 2. Five different and separate authors of the New Testament give their personal testimony and then three of them witnessed it with their very Life. {Matthew, Paul and John whom they tried to BOIL in Oil which Jesus saved him from}, and Mark and Luke. 3. It is important to know that the Entire Christ is PRESENT in both the Consecrated Host alone, and OR the Consecrated Cup of Wine/Blood, and in ANY, even the tiniest part of each. 4. The original term for the Eucharist was: “Breaking of the Bread” and the Bible evidences that the Early RC Church which was at first called “The Way” fully accepted, believed and practiced this Faith-Belief; many too who gave their lives as martyrs, which GREATY spurred the growth of the early Church: If so many were willing to GIVE their life as testimony; then it MUST BE TRUE. ACTS 2:41-43 “[41] They therefore that received his word, were baptized; and there were added in that day about three thousand souls. [42] And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers.[43] And fear came upon every soul: many wonders also and signs were done by the apostles in Jerusalem, and there was great fear in all.” Acts.9: [2] “and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem” Acts.24: [14] “But this I admit to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets” 5. Here are the five Bible passages: Matt.26 Verses 26 to 28 [26] Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." [27] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; [28] for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Mk. 14: 22-24 “[22] And as they were eating, he took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take; this is my body." [23] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. [24] And he said to them, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many. Lk. 22:19-20 “Luke.22 Verses 19 to 20 [19] And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me." [20] And likewise the cup after supper, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood” John 6:47-57 “[47] Amen, amen {MEANS: TRULY; TRULY} I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove {argued} among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. [56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.” Paul 1st. Cor, 11:23-30 “[23] For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, [24] and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." [25] In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." [26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. [27] Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. [28] Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. [29] For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. [30] That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.” {Spiritually: self- condemned to HELL} 6. A sixth evidence is Eucharistic Miracles: Check out this site. 7. The Eucharist is: 8. FROM the Father OF the Son BY the Holy Spirit The process is termed either the Consecration and or Traunsbstanuation: There are two consecutive miracles that take place before OUR VERY EYES {of faith}. At the very Instant of the change {1} the priest is turned into “Alter Christus” {literally, another Christ} by the Holy Spirit; then it is the PRIEST empowered by God who actually changes with THESE WORDS, what WAS bread in the Entire Jesus {“This Is MY Body”}; then again the cup of what WAS wine {“This Is MY Blood”} into the very Blood of Jesus. If one doubts this READ Matthew 10: 1-8 It is to be noted that by Christ intent, not everything commanded to be believed is logically or scientifically provable. THE PRACTICE OF RELIGIONS is commonly termed “ones “Faith”; precisely because “faith” in our God is the very ROOT of our religion. 9. This belief is the very FOUNDATION of Catholicism {and no Catholicism + no Christianity}. From Our Catechism: I. The Eucharist - Source and Summit of Ecclesial Life 1324 The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life."134 "The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch." {sacrifice} 1327 In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: "Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking." 10.ADDING TO THIS MYSTERY Even Jesus/ God can only die one time: therefore Christ Original Sacrifice is what is celebrated and RE-presented {NOT “represented}; Re- presented. What are we saying here? We are saying that mysteriously and miraculously at every Mass though out the World; it is the original Sacrifice on Calvary that is made PRESENT in our midst; time and time again in time immortal. ….What an AWESOME God we have! If this information is in any way insufficient; please let me know. I have written very much on this topic and don’t wish to overwhelm you or mum so early in our friendship. But God and I ARE on your side. God Bless you both; I LOVE questions, Patrick

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