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  1. Hi, How many of these things have you personally experienced? My guess is with the intention of everyone who reads this finding at least a few of these common effects being felt, making EVERYONE feel demonic or cursed? I only say so respectfully upon the fact you have ommited mention of anything resembling how to lift or even how to prevent these "curses" in Jesus name while knowing EVERYONE falls short of the glory of god. This reminds me of the info sheet of paper inside the box of pills, listing of side effects covering every eventuality to manage the risk of blame back onto the person who should be expected to gain at least some side effects. The Holy Spirit is a very powerful thing to be in posession of..... also the LAW covers all of this list and is to be obeyed thus giving you protection from lawlessness. Fear God! Not Demons...or yourself.
  2. Hi Gary. You confuse chaos as somehow only being orderly through government. LAW or works of the law make distiction between what is right and what is wrong. It is the ONLY guide for man and comes from the HIGHEST AUTHORITY. ie Theft is wrong. Paul does in fairness outline what this government IS that you are to submit too, he is wrong to make any commands to honor theft but his limitations haven't stopped most of this forum accepting something much lower in accordance to Paul's admission: people who are of God to lead those of God. He never got as far as saying if we are to submit to anyone lower than the highest authority...even at the cost of members calling my sanity, character etc into question. I dont care what people think of me. People are not my judge. People can and will accuse me or you of being satanic indirectly using scripture, or use scripture to scare me or you into conceding an arguement (many of the churches I visited used this method)... The joke is on them, now that anything written "isnt what is meant" or what is meant "was not scripture". The LAW is not about the vague. No I havent seen this until now and makes some sense from a historical point of view yes! But it is not based on scripture. For a contract to be valid it has to be entered into freely without coersion... That part and some of the history follows... However if you KNOW the governing authority ... they get your consent freely by your willing participation to use their market system and unit of currency. If you use the government system you are automatically ok with swaping your GOD given rights for government priviledges and benefits. You stop being man and are given a title (MR GARY LEE) for example.. You effectively choose government to replace GODS LAW with man made rules (acts statutes stipulations nuptials rituals the list is long...changes from season to season to suit Rome) You lose the protection of GODS LAW as you now have given consent to be policed by Rome.
  3. ....an answer that might satisfy you. Lol Just keep with the biblical truth.. Jesus taught the Torah. Also there were no 13 apostles in the vision of the lamb. Whats all this "esoteric" stuff for? A new age pagan ? It says property is theft (pillar of communism). It is not about having property being sinful (what about the tools of your trade?) it is about the theft of peoples property... peoples hard work being "taken" from them at source by modern day money changers (swet of your brow into tax credits). Paulanist = Roman socialism.. The religion of government, the belief it is an extension of God & thus holy by default (according to Paulanists) which condones the theft of peoples productive efforts from the working classes and must be obeyed even at the cost of breaking commanding law as faith cleanses the soul of all wrong doing....Let us prey... Hmmmmm NO.
  4. Are you a leader of truth now? Roman Law? Who could kill a perfect Jesus? A perfect government? Next you will be usi g scripture to show us Jesus worked for the Romans (civic duties). If you are not of the state (chattel or subject) you do not come under its Jurisdiction... but you knew that right?
  5. Im not talking about Jesus, he was indeed perfect. But your now confusing Jesus being deemed faultless by Pilate as somehow an endorsement for the same government that later killed him!
  6. Neighbor.. That is because you let a thief into the fold... Scripture warns you hiw it happened and who the thief is. None of you have much to say do you about your tribute. Lol The truth can easily defeat a lie. Or do you prefer censorship?
  7. The commandment (Exodus 20) "Thou shalt not steal" implies the right to private property, and this is everywhere assumed in Scripture (even in Acts 5). If princes had the unlimited right to tax, to any extent and for any purpose, there could be no private property. All would belong to the state, or to the prince personally. Since this is not so, there must be limit to the allowable extent and purpose of taxation "For, for this cause pay you tribute also; for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing." Here the apostle argues the duty of paying taxes, from this consideration that those who perform the duty of rulers, are continually attending upon the public welfare. But how does this argument conclude for paying taxes to such princes as are continually endeavoring to ruin the public? And especially when such payment would facilitate and promote this wicked design! "Render therefore to all their dues; tribute, to whom tribute is due; custom, to whom custom; fear, to whom fear; honor, to whom honor." Here the apostle sums up what he had been saying concerning the duty of subjects to rulers. And his argument stands thus—"Since magistrates who execute their office well, are common benefactors to society, and may, in that respect, be properly styled the ministers and ordinance of God; and since they are constantly employed in the service of the public, it becomes you to pay them tribute and custom; and to reverence, honor, and submit to them in the execution of their respective offices." This is apparently good reasoning. But does this argument conclude for the duty of paying tribute, custom, reverence, honor and obedience to such persons as (although they bear the title of rulers) use all their power to hurt and injure the public? Such as are not God's ministers, but Satan's? Such as do not take care of, and attend upon the public interest, but their own, to the ruin of the public? that is, in short, to such as have no natural and just claim at all to tribute, custom, reverence, honor and obedience? It is to be hoped that those who have any regard to the apostle's character as an inspired writer, or even as a man of common understanding, will not present him as reasoning in such a loose incoherent manner; and drawing conclusions which have not the least relation to his premises. For what can be more absurd than an argument thus framed? "Rulers are, by their office, bound to consult the public welfare and the good of society: therefore you are bound to pay them tribute, to honor, and submit to them, even when they destroy the public welfare, and are a common pest to society, by acting in direct contradiction to the nature and end of their office." Thus, upon a careful review of the apostle's reasoning in this passage, it appears that his arguments to enforce submission, are of such a nature, as to conclude only in favor of submission to such rulers as he himself describes; i.e. such as rule for the good of society, which is the only end of their institution. Common tyrants, and public oppressors, are not entitled to obedience from their subjects, by virtue of anything here laid down by the inspired apostle. Socialism is a system based on stealing. The whole point of socialism is for the government to seize control of private property, mainly involving the proceeds of peoples' work, in order to give it to others. (Note the compulsory aspect of socialism, which so differs from voluntary forms of communalism.) This activity is the very thing pronounced as evil by the 8th Commandment: "You shall not steal" (Ex. 20:15). ... While there is a legitimate basis for government taxation, the simple taking of one's possessions in order to give them to others is not one of them. Socialism is evil because it inherently involves stealing. Socialism is theft, as all taxation is theft. Yes, Christ told us to render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and because of that, people do… but that doesn’t negate the act of taxation being theft just like “if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” doesn’t negate the first slap from being assault. If I saw someone getting punched in the face, especially if they are a non-Christian, I wouldn’t tell him “That’s not assault, as Christ told you to turn your other cheek as well.” No, it’s assault and all taxation is theft. How are we to react? Just like Christ told us. But it doesn’t absolve the aggressor (Caesar or an abuser) of their sin. Are you seriously saying that taxation is not theft, simply because Christ told His followers to pay Caesar? What about our non-believing neighbors that abhor paying taxes? I understand that Christ’s words are binding on my soul, they compel me, but my non-Christian neighbor doesn’t feel that way. Is it theft for him? Who will stick up for him? So are taxes theft? Absolutely. We submit to paying those taxes only because the consequences of not paying them are worse. If you no or say the government has evil elements you force yourself to give tribute to Satan! This is no different than a highway bandit that positions himself at the beginning of a route and demands all passers-by pay a toll in exchange for “safe passage” along the road. Is the bandit a thief? Or a champion of wealth redistribution? You are splitting hairs.
  8. You cannot wriggle it. Either you are condoning giving tribute to evil, in the form of an earthly government run by Satan on earth, or All earthly governments are from GOD (mirror his commandments and are holy). You seem confused about differentiating between the two by saying a question is wrong. Can you really serve Satan AND God? Is that question wrong? It is not difficult to answer if you apply discernment to what a government does or expects a child of God to commit to.
  9. You have the same problem in your answer. You assume everyone owes caesar? You say Satan should be avoided, what about his evil earthly government? You leave that part out. Either what others say to us is commanded is holy or evil. Your answer assumes you can serve both at the same time (serve God while serving evil demi-god caesars).
  10. Marilyn. So just to clarify your answer is a yes or a no? Obviously during our wait for the return of Yeshua, the government Paul commands us to submit to is either holy or evil. God is the highest authority there is, hence I am so confused as to why Paul never commanded we submit to him (even after Yeshua says same).
  11. Hi Marilyn. So in the meantime (awaiting the return of Yeshua) are we being asked to give tribute to Satan and his earthly Government?
  12. Supposing the Sons DO WANT TO do their thing right.... blessed are good works.
  13. It is definately a concern my friend. Honor God and honor your parents etc etc but I don't see God at all commanding we honor satan anywhere in the bible. Do you not think it would be even slightly hypocritical to give any tribute to satan, no matter how small, if all of the law hangs on Jesus words: "you must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.'" (that could also read there is little left to give satan after giving the LORD everything you have).
  14. Hi enoob57. Are the governments Paul commanded everyone to submit to in the present dominion, giving tribute to Satan or God? I'm assuming it cannot be both.
  15. Earthly treasure. Dead end....move along now....this road leads you away from the kingdom.
  16. That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.” 10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” 11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.13 This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’[a] 16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. 18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
  17. Your post reminded me of the Jubilees that brothers are meant to still honor. The 7 year Jubilee for personal debts and bond servants, plus the 7th year of the resting soil that after 6 years of hard toil gets to recoupe its energy and become nourished by the sabbath. Good things are around the corner (some will and do say things will have to get worse before they can get good again...) The LORD is ever patient to his children: Righteous are You, O Lord, that I would plead my case with You; Indeed I would discuss matters of justice with You: Why has the way of the wicked prospered? Why are all those who deal in treachery at ease? 2 You have planted them, they have also taken root; They grow, they have even produced fruit. You are near [a]to their lips But far from their [b]mind. 3 But You know me, O Lord; You see me; And You examine my heart’s attitudetoward You. Drag them off like sheep for the slaughter And [c]set them apart for a day of carnage! 4 How long is the land to mourn And the vegetation of the countryside to wither? For the wickedness of those who dwell in it, Animals and birds have been snatched away, Because men have said, “He will not see our latter ending.” 5 “If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? If you fall down in a land of peace, How will you do in the [d]thicket of the Jordan? 6 “For even your brothers and the household of your father, Even they have dealt treacherously with you, Even they have cried aloud after you. Do not believe them, although they may say nice things to you.” God’s Answer 7 “I have forsaken My house, I have abandoned My inheritance; I have given the beloved of My soul Into the hand of her enemies. 8 “My inheritance has become to Me Like a lion in the forest; She has [e]roared against Me; Therefore I have come to hate her. 9 “Is My inheritance like a speckled bird of prey to Me? Are the birds of prey against her on every side? Go, gather all the beasts of the field, Bring them to devour! 10 “Many shepherds have ruined Myvineyard, They have trampled down My field; They have made My pleasant field A desolate wilderness. 11 “[f]It has been made a desolation, Desolate, it mourns [g]before Me; The whole land has been made desolate, Because no man lays it to heart. 12 “On all the [h]bare heights in the wilderness Destroyers have come, For a sword of the Lord is devouring From one end of the land even to the[i]other; There is no peace for [j]anyone. 13 “They have sown wheat and have reaped thorns, They have strained themselves [k]to no profit. But be ashamed of your [l]harvest Because of the fierce anger of theLord.”
  18. Yes. You are right. Team work. And it isn't limited to man either... Two draft horses pulling together cannot pull twice as much as one. They can actually pull three times as much. The two draft horses that can each pull 8,000 pounds alone can pull24,000 pounds working together.
  19. The authorities always have a plan: Pay farmers not to erm...farm, using tax payers money to store surplus and let it rot or become rodent food! The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era designed to boost agricultural prices by reducing surpluses. The Government bought livestock for slaughter and paid farmers subsidies not to plant part of their land. While over the pond we have this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-farming-subsidies-billionaires-high-uk-rich-list-recipients-brexit-james-dyson-earl-rosebery-cap-a7815871.html
  20. Now your thinking positively. I have tried this before and it eas a success, until he died and I had to leave due to his land being given to someone else and he was quite old too. Really miss that family. They let me have free reign on that plot. I have had allotments in the past and found some good some bad, but ultimately you are trapped. Made to spend money to acquire it from the local authority and then annually to the government who bought the land with the communities money (?) who then restrict your freedom to do what you want with it, no buildings on it, no animals on some while you can on others no fires on some blah blah and you are indirectly held to ransom by a water company in the process, which kinda goes against all the things you want the land for ...to unburden. I am still looking (looking into farming). Great idea btw!
  21. Thats right pay your taxes.... Obviously if you owe them pay them... I get that part. But what about land itself? Who put a price tag on it?God tells us to dress the land (grow and farm). Fruit trees, keeping animals, water, whatever grows naturally out of the earth ...does not require that much swet when communities take the same duty (many hands make light of work etc). If we all expect someone to feed us (supermarkets) that must mean the majority are relying on "less" people (minority). An office worker who does a cracking job or a mind numbing job still needs to eat, but produces very little in food for himself, which means someone else carries his burden or as you quite rightly put it "swet off the brow" is given to someone else. I grow as much food as I can but land restriction is a bugbear for me...havent got the 4 acres mentioned in the earlier post...my plot is a postage stamp size lol I have to forage even though I see vacant land everywhere I look, that could feed AND give rewarding job to others (promoting community agriculture also takes the pressure off the few farmers doing all the work AND means a lessened burden on peoples beloved government who have to come up with ways of procuring food more expensively by raising taxes for more foreign imported food.
  22. Have a good ponder brother Yowm. Eternity is a very long time. Thanks for the input.
  23. I am sincerely happy for you Yowm. To know in advance your one of 144,000 out of nearly 9billion must feel great. Does that avatar resemble me or anyone you know or have ever met lol
  24. Good point, get what you pay for? Whatever your government chooses to spend the tax tribute on is effectively yours. Why would you resist that much. Quite right. Good value for money unless you knew in advance you didnt want it.
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