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  1. adhidw

    Explain this if you can

    I’ll try to answer the questions above, by explaining first the roles of : God the Father, God the Holy spirit , God the Son That they are actually God Him self ( in eternal realm/heaven) who is intending to teach us /His people about Him and His Plan while we are sojourning in this perishable realm. So finally we surely understand well, then able to bring Glory to Him ( the purpose of creation Isa 43:7 ). The realm in which we live is a temporal realm, it means that this realm has a period of its existence at a time when it is surpassed that it must no longer exist in its place. Almighty God is an immortal being unlimited by the dimension of space and time, and He is also the alpha and omega, meaning that even if the earth we live in has been over God still remains. If the earth we live in is a temporary realm, then the creatures that exist on this earth are also temporary (only when this temporal existence exists), if God is eternal then the man He created living on this earth also is not for His ultimate purpose but only for a while wandering or sojourning then surely move to the eternal world (where God is), But how could this temporal being be in eternal realm that is not bound by space and time limitation?, surely they not fit to live in this eternal realm?. The conclusion is the spirit of man that will come eternally and this human spirit surely is not a natural product of this perishable realm , means that the human spirit must be the eternal realm product which was placed by God to exist in the physical body of man to temporarily wander / sojourn in This perishable earth for a particular purpose of God which had been planned since before this perishable world was formed. Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. Ecc12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it Jer1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations Then what is His particular purpose for His people while sojourning this perishable earth? If we learn from the Bible that eternal realm is not limited by time, it means that whenever its existence will remain flat its graph / no change / its inhabitant does not get older or more and more clever or more stupid / steady, but not for this perishable realm there is birth there is death there is young there is old there is clever there is fool, so His particular purpose for His people while sojourning in this perishable earth is Growth for growth does not exist in eternal realm. Rom8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope 1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Heb5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat 2Pet3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen If God's particular purpose for His people is growth (obviously, humans prior did not know the difference between good and evil), then what is God's ultimate goal for His creation? Glorifying God: the human mouth and heart say that “the glory is for God alone”. Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him Eph1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love If the ultimate goal (glorifying God) can be achieved simply without passing into the perishable realm, God surely chose this simplest way, but it turn out that sojourning through this perishable realm is the only way that the ultimate goal can be achieved . Since man can glorify God, man must come to understand that the salvation (living in eternal realm with God) is the grace of God alone. Salvation= grace of God alone, then the men must understand and agree that they will never be able to achieve the salvation through their own efforts what ever those sound good. Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us Then for the sake of : to lead His people comprehend well about the premise “ salvation is by God’s Grace alone “ God surely need to communicate to His people while they are sojourning here . Then start gradually God teaches His people through His word which is written from Genesis to Revelation, and His people verify they themselves. In the premise of "Salvation = the grace of God alone" there must be the Chosen people which means the spirit beings/ vessel of mercy (Rom9:23) who were sent by God from the eternal Realm to the perishable realm while it is in the process of development / purification until finally win / understood ( vessel of mercy abode in to the vessel unto honors ( Rom9:23 , 9:21 ), or only those whose names were written in the book of life Since before the creation of the world, or surely the devil can not partake even though he also exists in the temporal realm( vessels of wrath Rom9:22) and also dwells in the natural human body / earth dust Gen3: 14 /born of flesh ( vessels unto dishonor Rom9:21), then here appears It is clear that there is a difference between those who are the chosen people, and those who are born of flesh where these very people are possible to become the camp of the devil ----- > the chosen = born of God (in the physical body there is a human spirit which God sent to wander/sojourn On earth /vessels of mercy Rom9:23 abide in to vessels unto honor Rom9:21), relating to this then God is the Father of this chosen people, there is also the man of the world = the dust = born of flesh = possible to be the devil’s camp= possible the devil surely will be the father of these men (John 8:44 ,Mat 3:7, Mat23:33 , swine Mark5:12 ). Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. So it is clear: in order to His people/the chosen understood that “salvation = the grace of God alone” then; God must introduce Himself as the Father of His people ----> God the Father. Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting. Mat23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven It must also be taught to them/His people/the chosen that while they are sojourning/wandering in this perishable earth they surely will be kept by God Himself as a guide, entertainer, helper, that they surely will not be a meal of the devil, here: God must introduce Himself as the Holy Spirit ----> God the Holy spirit. Luke11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first Isa44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen. Isa51:12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass; Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you Finally His people also should be compelled to witnessing the manifestation of the God Grace that was demonstrated by the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savior through crucifixion and resurrection ( because naturally they will never grasp and admit about it , proven : no one realized that they were all vanity creatures they still enthusiastically tried to fulfill the mosaic laws until that time/ Jesus time ( Sabbath, circumcise , sacrifice , fasting etc ) , though they had been given about 1,500 years period of time for verifying they themselves about their vanity in the God eyes , began from the day God gave the mosaic laws in Mosses age until Jesus ), where in the OT also had been revealed well that the savior is only God Himself, the redeemer is only God Himself ( Isa 49:26) , so relating to this event : God must introduce Himself as ---> God the Son. Hence until here it is clear that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are the identities of God Himself to play the roles needed ,so that His people who were sent to sojourn to this perishable realm “understand well “ that Salvation = only by God’s Grace. Some additions ; If God did not create men in this perishable realm, then there must have been an eternal realm whose inhabitants were God, angels and demons (the spirits), where the angel had no gender, would God introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to the angels? Of course not because the term is very strange to them who is genderless, not able to multiply, and who cannot interchange his position (from devil to faithful angel vice versa). Isa44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Can His people finally understand? Salvation= God's grace alone if God did not introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to man?. Now we have understood well , God the Father , God the Holy spirit , God the Son are the roles of our Almighty God to lead us / His people to the understanding , then finally we surely can bring Glory to Him. In His role as our Father, He surely know who is His very last chosen people (the time when He sent this last name to abide in to the vessel unto honor Rom9:21 = this old earth is getting over )/ the last name in the book of life which was written before the creation of the world , then surely only this related role is the only One who really knows “when the final hour will be “.
  2. adhidw

    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Un believing world will happen if there is no single person who is belong to Him/ the chosen which is still in his/her process for salvation, or likened : all of His have already entered in Canaan . So the tribulation days are the days of temptation , in those days there still many His chosen who still alive and still in their process of salvation. His actually wrath shall arrive when these scriptures have already fulfilled. Rev11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them Rev20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison ( try to know : what is the reason The devils are loosed ?, doesn’t it lead us to guess that in that time there surely be no single person which is born of God and not yet enter to his/her salvation ?). Rev20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever How can there be people those such sand of the sea that in that time began with undeceived then instantly become deceived ?, why god does not take any action to prevent them if all of them actually His ?. Try compared to the people out side the ark in Noah age ?, aren’t those afflicted the same kind of people ----> born of flesh ?, So the actual wrath began from this point.
  3. Oh , I apologize if you feel being offended with my comment above, as before i made a comment on you, i responded the op too , just for discussing there was no any other agenda , feel free to forget my comment , i apologize for not comfort .
  4. before this perishable world was formed: Eph1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. The realm existed in that time = eternal realm = realm where God was,is. Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him Isa43:21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise. Then to realize His plan , there are many steps , one of them " men can only bring Glory to Him , if men come to understand that the salvation is only by God's Grace , for this sake then it is a inevitability that men surely need to be redeemed by His Grace only , that's why He was slain already before the creation of the world.
  5. Yes, In order to understand that the salvation is by God's Grace alone , in order to establish that premise He should introduce that actually He was the lamb that was slain before the creation of the world Rev5:6. Surely He had a great plan before the creation of the world about us.
  6. He is the almighty, He is the alpha and the omega , we come to the existence surely was started by His great plan , knowing His plan is very important.
  7. adhidw

    Rewards and Punishment

    The great refer to Devils/Satan (vessels of wrath) , the small refer to the losers they prior were His , their names also were written in the book of life before the creation of the world but no longer there when they failed in their journey in this earth like such the deads in the desert in Mosses age their names eventually being blotted . Rev22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Many positions are there in NHNE , it must be occupied by a suitable person according to what kinds of Deeds that God gave during their life so there is nothing to do with their own works.
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    Rewards and Punishment

    The saveds are vary from the highest capability until the lowest such that suffer mentally illness , the reward for them are equal each one likened such receive a penny. The deed of them that worthy in the eyes of God surely God Him self who did it. Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us Phl2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure Rom7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away And wrath for the looser surely lof.
  9. adhidw

    scriptural support for free will belief

    Agreed. All of us (our spirits that reside within Us ) / His people/ the chosen start from zero state means : have no knowledge have no ability , we surely will be zero state forever if we are not sent to sojourn to this earth for our growth ( there is no any role that we can play in this state ), by sojourning here God is doing something divine within us that day by day surely grow the progress (purification process likened as 40 years in the desert ) that finally if we won we are said as saved, if the purification time is over and we are still not yet understand so we are said as lost ( likened the dead of Israelis in the desert / then our name in the book of life eventually surely be blotted Rev3:5 ), in these process there is no contribution from our part, those are absolutely God works Isa26:12 . We can imagine the steps of the process : The first day God tilted us to the left, surely that time we countered Him to the right ( negative will in spiritually dimension Rom3:10-12 ) , God only said that time “don’t harden your heart “. The second day God rotated us to the left , surely that time we rotated to the opposite ( negative will ), God only said “don’t stiffen your neck “. And all the days after are treated as similar as that , until the purification time is over , the winner surely well understood Mat13:23 , I wrote there : (one vessel unto honour = e.g. Physically Jacob ; another unto dishonor = born of flesh = e.g. Physically Esau ) (the vessels of wrath = devil resides inside the born of flesh John8:44 ; tares Mat 13: 38-39 ) (the vessels of mercy = the chosen : Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, ……., Noah, ………, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,…….Us, last name in the book of life = The children of kingdom Mat 13:38 = us = spiritually beings which were put in to our body (when we were born Zec12:1 , Jer1:5) /our spirit for sojourning = came from above John17:14 ). , where these born of flesh people one day are possible to be the devil’s camp e.g. John8:44 , also see Luk11:24-26 , Mat13:38-39 When the devils are still in the bottom of pit , so not all the born of flesh people are the devil possessed , but in the last day surely the born of flesh people will be possessed by the devil Rev 20:7-8. Rev20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea How can there be the deceived such the sand of the sea ? if they are not all the born of flesh people ?. In this event , we are informed if there are two kinds of humans living in this earth; born of God/ the chosen and born of flesh that surely all of them will be deceived I clarified already the different between the vessels of wrath , and the vessel of dishonor.
  10. adhidw

    scriptural support for free will belief

    So , there is no any role of humans “will” in humans salvation , right?. By then the premise “ salvation is by God’s Grace alone “ surely works properly . This is absolutely right. Because this is actually the purpose of creation. Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him Isa43:21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise Then God starts to send gradually His people/ names written in His book of life before the creation of the world/the chosen to sojourn to this earth. Some questions we need to answer: What was the realm when this earth not yet formed ?. How difficult for God created them all at once ?, if not then there surely were some plans about His people to not being created at once, -------> growths. Let’s see: Rom8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope If so then the salvation is a achievement for the saved , right?, then the verses below surely will not work properly ?. Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away Phl2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure So men will never be able to bring glory to God, because actually the glory is deserve for men also that still have” will “ where in their sight that by their own will they still can make some things divine ( God does not make anything “divine” )within them, ----> in their sights they still can seek God, they still can obey God , right? , why then they were driven out from Eden , didn’t they surely still can obey to not ate the fruits of the tree of life intentionally ?. If the purpose actually is : “ bring Glory to God “ , so there should work the premise “ salvation is by God’s Grace alone “ This premise can stand firmly if there is the chosen where these very people is totally different with the common people / born of flesh John1:12-13 / dust Gen3:14 /not written in the book of life before the creation of the world / equated as animals Ecc3:19 / likened as the swine in Mark5:12 , where these born of flesh people one day are possible to be the devil’s camp e.g. John8:44 , also see Luk11:24-26 , Mat13:38-39 . If so then, how can there be devil who transform to be the angel of light ?, how can there be antichrist ?, How can the devil shall be judged Rev20:12 what are the evidences for suing them ?, how can we judge the devil/angel 1cor6:3 , how can this earth will end ?. John8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it Luk11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first Mat13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels 2Pet2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Which is said in Rom9:22 such vessels of wrath.
  11. adhidw

    scriptural support for free will belief

    If the question: Does human have free will ?. The answer surely: Yes, he or she does. But this free will is framed in literal dimension, works for everything during their life in this earth then after that surely over / will never does anything for eternity/ will never does any contribution for their salvation unless the salvation shall never be the God grace alone . Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Our righteousnesses are surely rooted to our will , right?, if those all just are like filthy rags , then will its make any contribution?. Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us So surely God Himself who makes something divine within us , so surely -------> the salvation is by God Grace alone . Phl2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure We should know first that the realm where we live is a temporary realm , so not fit for spirit to inhabit/man’s spirit is not a natural product of this earth , our spirits reside within our bodies surely are His chosen ( chosen before the creation of the world ) , which were sent to sojourn/wander to this perishable world for our growths by then we can bring Glory to God ( the purpose of creation ) because there is no growth in eternal realm. Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. ( God put spiritually being within Israelis for OT, and spiritually Israelis for NT , never put His in to born of flesh people ). 1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Rom9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (one vessel unto honour = e.g. Physically Jacob ; another unto dishonor = e.g. Physically Esau ) 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: (the vessels of wrath = devil resides inside the born of flesh John8:44 ; tares Mat 13: 38-39 ) 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory (the vessels of mercy = the chosen : Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, ……., Noah, ………, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,…….Us, last name in the book of life = The children of kingdom Mat 13:38 = us = spiritually beings which were put in to our body (when we were born Zec12:1 , Jer1:5) /our spirit for sojourning = came from above John17:14 ). We can imagine : If spiritually being is not a naturally product of the earth such there is no spirit within animal , then it is logic that every spirit which inhabit here for awhile surely God Himself who put them to reside within His Chosen and all which were driven out from heaven (devils) . How can these spiritually beings go back to heaven from this earth ? by their own efforts/will ? can men make their own vehicle bringing them back to heaven ? impossible. This is the basic understanding of “Salvation is by God Grace alone “ = shall God Himself who take them back ( depend on His Charity alone ). Who shall He take back to heaven if He did not put them before ?, this is the basic understanding of the Chosen . So humans have no free will in spiritually dimension , humans only have negative will in spiritually dimension ( Rom3:10-12).
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    Yes sir , thank a lot for your help.
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    thank you, i'll try
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