Angelfishie

He WAS possessed before he was saved (about 48 hours ago). Please read what I wrote instead of deciding what I mean. I didn't change the wording of anything. My explanation of the point regarding possession in Christians was not an explanation of THIS situation or person. I was simply disagreeing with your ascertion. Or perhaps your semantics. I did however come looking for help and suggestions, not a theological argument around assumptions. Thank you for your contribution.

I think you should read my request again, there's an order of events which has happened here. WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT where he needs discipleship. That statement clearly indicates a process of events which has culminated in THIS point in time, and the use of the word discipleship in the context of the word "now" infers the state of NOW being saved. One who came to Christ OUT of possession needs a specific kind of discipleship quite different to the kind which someone who didn't have that experience of the demonic would need. There are specific questions that that individual will need answers to that run-of-the-mill discipleship generally does not offer. And a Christian absolutely can have a demon in control of a particular area of their lives (which by dictionary definition is "possession" - which denotes "mastery over" not inhabitation as popularly believed). I've SEEN it with my own eyes and the idea that it can't happen is one of the lies of the enemy uses to lull Christians into denial and idolatry.. and not dealing with the shameful areas of permissiveness in their lives, the closed doors, the secret shames. If you have something in your life that is secret from EVERYONE else who doesn't share that thing... you have demonic strongholds - places where the enemy can influence and control you with shame and fear. It DOESN'T mean inhabitation - though I'm not saying that inhabitation doesn't exist because it most certainly does, and I would agree that inhabitation cannot take place if the Holy Spirit already inhabits you. So - I reiterate - please if there's anyone in the Michigan area here - please contact me or post here!

EVERY person is invested in and endowed with a facet of God's heart for others. For years (since my early teens) I've KNOWN with an absolute certainty that my "heart" was for teaching Christians how to tap into the Spirit. I'm NOT an evangelist, I'm NOT a person who takes care of physical needs. That is NOT the heart God gave me. If you have a Heart for the Jewish people then embrace it, pursue it, equip and empower yourself with knowledge. Learn Hebrew, read the Torah, read all the books and scriptures for the Jewish people, go after it with FULL FORCE, because God will anoint you and empower you to reach those hearts that other people declare are closed off from the truth! Step out in Faith and reach for the people God is giving you!

It honestly sounds like the actual Question part of the question was left out. I don't see them doing any asking of anything, and the actual request seems like it should come somewhere after this part "Of all these 5 books of Moses (known as the Torah or law) were the " most high rated. The keeping of the Torah was very strongly emphasized" and before this part: "Differentiate between the "Ceremonial", "Civil" and "moral" law. For 6 marks." It REALLY seems like there's a piece missing out of the question.

Hi guys I've been counselling by email a young man somewhere in the Michigan area. We've come to the point where he really needs discipleship and prayer and some really good teaching - I'm looking for people in the Michigan area to give me some names of good Evangelical Pro-Spirit Christian Communities/Churches in the area that I can point him to, or groups who are well versed in Spiritual warfare to minister to him. Or indeed members who are in Michigan who can come alongside him and disciple him. It's been really hard to get actual info out of him because he's been suffering under massive possession and torment of demons, so if you're not a real warfare type, then this is not for you, I'm looking for someone who is VERY grounded, VERY confident, very certain of what they believe and who can HEAR the Holy Spirit, and is working in gifts and power. I'm not looking for help from anyone who wants to do deliverance rituals or anything like that. I'm looking for someone/a group/church/community that KNOWS how to disciple someone who is clueless and has been demonically tormented because of his ancestor's involvement in witchcraft. Can anyone help me, are there any Michigan members on Worthy? Thanks to any and all for suggestions, tips, ideas or directions!

Bill Johnson responded to this story on a podcast/radio station.

Yes, I've heard it referred to as "The seat of False Religion or Idolatry" (or the belief system that sets itself up against, contrary to God, trying to redirect glory away from the Lord Almighty) which was established in the original city of Babylon (hence the reference and name) and then grew and insidiously spread into all these kingdoms mentioned in the reference scripture, and it's by this system of false religion, this established mindset of self-serving idolatry which underpins the way these governments and rulers operate, that the beast can ultimately gain his foothold and by which the false prophet can persuade and entrap.

Precisely, but most Christians lump one guy's theory (which isn't that well supported anymore, even in Scientific atheistic circles) with all the other aspects of this 'field of study' and scratch a big red line through it all and declare it utter crap. Which in turn makes those atheistic scientific types laugh at us. Because a massive portion of the data which led to the guy presenting that theory in the first place is REAL provable science. I'm not big on throwing out facts because they led some people to think up objectionable and offensive theories that contradict my beliefs. I'll just bin the theories and keep the science... If you actually look at definitions for "evolution" there's no subtext which includes the theory of Ape to Man evolution as "fact" because there's no actual proof to support this theory - and so, therefore, it cannot be considered "fact" - not even to scientists in the field. A better question would have been Are there Christians who believe that Man evolved from Apes? To which my answer would be: no, I do not believe men evolved from apes.

I have studied this subject (and clarified in a later post precisely what I MEAN in this context) and as per my clarification: I was referring to the biological process and not the Theory of Evolution - which is a not actually one single theory at all - of which some are, I agree, quite nonsensical.

Oh, I'm sorry, you appeared to be asking for help. I misunderstood your intent.

Precisely.

Ok, so here's a thing that keeps happening when conversations about this particular issue arise; if the people having this conversation come from a science/biology background or arena they tend to have this dictionary definition for the word evolution, in mind: Evolution Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. Which does not refute the existence of God, or specifically promote or purport the idea that man evolved from apes. Thing is we can SEE the process of biological evolution happen in specific animals (the rats in London's sewer system are an excellent example), over just a few years, so if you ask me, it definitely exists. Theories, like those of ape to man evolution, are just that, theories. Extrapolated, projected and calculated ideas that "go well" with the things we can prove. There are several theories connected to the study of the biological process of evolution. Many of them are complete rubbish and some are pure conjecture. But they are theories so some of them are bound to be nonsense and completely unprovable. Most people who are not from a science/biology background will actually be discussing the veracity of just one or two of these theories, which are related to the field of study; evolutionary biology, AND NOT the biological process to which the actual term "evolution" refers. And this is why I believe there is so much disconnect over this topic. SO: to clarify: I do not believe that humans evolved from apes. I do not believe that there is sufficient evidence in the fossil record to support such a claim. I do however totally accept and believe that the biological evolutionary process does exist and operates on a daily basis in all types of species worldwide.

@JTC this is part of the reason Paul exhorts is to be part of a church community, so we can specifically avoid being isolated from the rest of the Body of Christ. Please make a point of being connected to a local cell/ or home church or community church. You will quickly have wads of opportunity to connect with people and make like-minded friends. Churches also often have programs for singles, older folks or people who need additional support. And they're all part of our family, and they only don't know you're there and need them. Reach out and connect with your true family. Edit: I noted your comment about churches in your area, if you message me with where you are - I can put my cyberskills to use and see what opportunities I can find you in your area...

Me too SBlue! I come from a very intellectual family who were not particularly academic, however I've worked and lived with academic people and spaces now for close to 25 years and I too, understanding the actual term and scientific implications, believe evolution takes place all the time all around us. It makes complete sense to me that God who made first instances of things that self-replicate would instigate processes (like evolution) that self-propel. There's absolutely no conflict for me between these two ideas.