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  1. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    I guess I'll, ahem, "borrow" it also! Thanks and take care...
  2. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    Precisely. Faith plus nothing! That's a wonderful saying. I'll be using it myself. Hope you don't mind. And yes, why ask God for something He has already clearly given us. He forgave every sin I have or ever will commit. He did that 2,000 years ago. It is really pointless to keep asking God for something He already gave us. If God were like us, He'd be greatly insulted by such behavior. But He's not human and therefore forgives us for that error. It just doesn't do us any good to not realize we don't need to ask for more forgiveness. We already have it! All of our sins were covered by Jesus' shed blood, not just the ones we did "accidently." He covered even them all, even the ones we knowingly commit (an honest Christian will have to admit they do just that from time to time). As such, technically we can sin as much as we want, but any born again believer with an ounce of awareness of His grace would never ever use that as an excuse for committing unlimited sins. Quite the opposite actually. The more we see ourselves as God sees us, i.e. as righteous as He Himself is (Rom 3:22), the more we will naturally want to glorify Him for what He has done by grace. The more grace we understand the less sin we will actually commit. Living by law on the other hand will only lead to more sin. It's a paradox, but that's what God says. I really don't understand how big God's grace really is, but who's to argue? He says was are justified, cleansed, forgiven, made righteous, and much more. I just believe it regardless of my own shortcomings in the flesh. I simply reckon my flesh to be dead and give it not thought. Rom 6:11, Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. The word "reckon" is a really great word study. It is the Greek word "logizomai." It is used many times in the first 6 chapters of Romans. Basically it means to simply consider something to be a certain way whether or not it is actually that way. We are most definitely sinners but God ignores that "reality" and simply "reckons" us to be justified, sanctified, etc. He just ignores so-called "reality" and proclaims our perfection in Christ. Here is true grace: Instead of entering another sin into our record (which we do deserve) He enters another star of righteousness for us (which we most definitely do not deserve)! In Romans 6:11 He tells us to do just that: Rom 6:11, Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. What a fantastic God we have!
  3. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    Very true indeed. I think that is pretty much what Paul said about himself in Romans chapter 7. Even Paul blew it from time to time, but he understood that it is to be expected, given that there is no good thing in the flesh (Rom 7:18). We are to reckon our body of flesh as having been crucified and buried with Christ (Rom 6:11). That's the way God sees us in any case. He doesn't bring our flesh and it's evil deeds up and throw them into our face. Why should we? Sin consciousness will defeat the believer whenever it raises it ugly head. Jesus did a complete job. There is nothing we can add to or subtract from our righteousness. God made us righteous and that's that! God bless you brother.
  4. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    I just figured it out. It should look normal now. Thanks for the heads up! God bless...
  5. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    I don't mind telling you yes, it is my own words. I did have a problem with formatting it. I'm not sure how to fix it though. Formatting options seem rather limited.
  6. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    Why do you ask?
  7. rrobs

    Grace - a license to sin?

    I'm not sure which quote you are asking me about, but if you are talking about the Bible verses, they are from the KJV.
  8. The devil makes liberal use of shame, guilt, and self condemnation in his relentless effort of spiritually incapacitating every son or daughter of God he can get his hands on. He’s been doing it for 6,000 years, ever since the day he made Adam and Eve aware of their heretofore unnoticed nakedness. There is a good reason he’s relied on our feelings of not measuring up; it works. It works extremely well. He can do that by making the believer think they have to follow law, that grace only goes so far, that it can not be relied upon as the only foundation of our walk with God. It is thought that somehow grace must be tempered by law, that it is sort of a hybrid walk, some grace and some law. Unfortunately that is what far too many Christians have been taught and therefore that is what the believe and endeavor to do. But, the law is actually the power source, the enabler, of the devil's efforts. Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me]. Occasion ἀφορμή aphorme (a-for-mee') n. 1. a starting-point. 2. (figuratively) an opportunity. Without the law sin has no power. The stop sign on the corner provides the impetus for receiving that "failure to stop" ticket. The policeman can hardly accuse you of that if there was no stop sign. Sin is just like that. Where there is no law, there is no sin. Rom 4:15, Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression. In order to make someone worthy to be called His child, God, through the death and resurrection of His only begotten son, simply substituted grace for law. That way none of His children could be condemned like the unrepentant person. Does that mean we won't commit sins? No. No doubt all Christians continue to commit sins, but God simple overlooks them. He doesn't add them to some ledger with which he keeps track of our behavior after we get born again. Rom 5:13, For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. The word imputed means a ledger entry, just like the financial reports all businesses keep to judge their health. This verse says sin is not entered into the ledger. That stands to reason since there is no ledger God keeps for those who have confessed Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9-10). Such an individual is judged righteous the moment they do that (Rom 4:11) and they will remain so until the end. Christ took the ledger out of the way, enabling us to have perfect fellowship with him and with his father. 1Cor 1:8, Who (Jesus) shall also confirm you unto the end, [that ye may be] blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. What is it that will keep us blameless? Our success in following law? No! Jesus Christ will do that! Few Christians have a problem with getting saved by grace, but too many think that after getting saved they must follow the law in order to stay in God's favor. That is nothing new. The Galatians thought that very thing some 4,000 years ago. Gal 3:1-3, 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Verse 3 is crystal clear. It is a rhetorical question which is of course answered in the negative. No, we are absolutely not made perfect by cajoling our flesh into somehow following the law of commandments. We began our Christian life by grace and we will grow up the same way. That will be true until the Lord returns to gather us up together in the clouds. We are made perfect the same way we got born again, by grace. Am I saying that we can sin as much as we want since we are under grace? That is an often asked question. The short answer is, sure, if that's what someone wants to do. However, as it turns out, few actually subscribe to that way of walking. I've never met anyone like that, but I suppose they could be out there. The reality is that once a child of God really understands grace, committing sins is the last thing they want to do. Grace is the only way to take the power of sin, i.e. the law, and throw it away as far as the east is from the west. Paul was asked that very question. You can read his answer in Romans, chapter 7. There is no need to be afraid of grace. Instead you should become afraid the moment you say to yourself something like, "OK. From now on I'm going to stop that sin that bothers me so much. I'll use every ounce of strength that lies within me to do that. I'll make this flesh conform to the righteousness of God if it's the last thing I do!" You will commit acts of sin, no matter how hard you try. It's better to stop trying and to put your mind on what God has done for you, not on what you can do for God. John Kennedy had it backwards! Do you believe God? Then you should have no trouble moving on after you tell that lie, drink that whiskey, look at that scantly clad young woman, or whatever it is that you do on a somewhat regular basis. 1John 1:9, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. How long does it take to say to God, "I messed up again father. But thank you so much for forgiving me and for cleansing me from the penalty of my actions?" It shouldn't take but a second or two. After that, forget about it and move ahead praising God for His mercy and grace. It sure beats stewing day after day about your inability to stop whatever sin it is that so easily besets you. The more you think of God's grace, the more closely you will walk the walk that Jesus walked. It may be counter intuitive, but isn't that so very typical of God? Isa 55:9, For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
  9. I understand how to speak in tongues, but what does one do in order to groan in the spirit? Miriam-Webster defines it as: 1 : to utter a deep moan indicative of pain, grief, or annoyance 2 : to make a harsh sound (as of creaking) under sudden or prolonged strain It seems as though groaning as we understand it in the modern West is done when things are going bad, when we are in pain, or suffering grief. If that is the way the ancient Jews and Greeks understood it then Romans 8:26-27 makes little sense. Are we supposed to feel pain, grief, and strained whenever we pray for someone? I doubt that is the case. Clearly we are supposed to pray for each other, so there must be something we are missing.
  10. I'm not 100% sure if it is speaking about tongues or not. That's why I was wondering if you knew anything about what it actually is to groan in the spirit. It certainly is an area ripe for researching. We must see what the scriptures say, not what we think, but what the scriptures say. If I can't figure something out for sure, I just say, "I don't know." There is nothing to be ashamed of for not knowing something. Problems can arise when I think I know something but don't really know it. It's better to play it safe and admit not knowing. Take care...
  11. Tongues is the ability to speak a language the speaker does not naturally know. When you got born again, God gave you the gift of holy spirit. It is that very gift that makes someone born again. Acts 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the holy Spirit. The people who heard this had no reason whatsoever to think that they might get the gift of holy spirit at some date after repenting. The moment a person repents they get the gift of holy spirit. Being a spirit, it can't be detected by any of the five senses. You can't see it, hear it, taste it, touch it, or smell it. But that doesn't mean it's not there. It's there because God says it's there. The manifestation of that spirit is what brings it into the senses realm. You can hear the tongues, the interpretation of tongues, the prophecy, and on down the line for all the ways it can manifest into the senses realm (1 Cor 12:7-10). Of course, it is up to the person to move their lips, to move their tongue, their vocal chords, etc. God will not force anybody to manifest. If a person wants to let their spirit lay dormant, they have every right to do so. Of course they will miss out on innumerable blessings, but they do have the choice. But if someone believes God and does move all the muscles involved in speech, their gift of holy spirit will absolutely give them the words to say (Acts 2:4). That much is guaranteed! On the day of Pentecost there were people from all over the known world who heard the Apostles speak in tongues for the first time and they understood what the Apostles were saying. Acts 2:4-11, 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Notice what the Apostles were saying, the were speaking, "the wonderful works of God." That is but one of the many things speaking in tongues is. Having people present who understood what the Apostles was something of a miracle, and there is no guarantee that there will be someone from another country who will understand someone speaking in tongues. I've heard of it happening since the day of Pentecost, but never experienced it for myself. That's OK. The record in Acts chapter 2 is enough proof for me that it can happen. If that one part of the scriptures is not true, then none of it can be trusted. Fortunately, Acts 2 is the truth and we can trust it, and the rest of the scriptures, to the max!
  12. You are right. Jesus didn't speak in tongues because it wasn't available until the day of Pentecost. Since we started discussing this, I've been looking at exactly what "groaning" means in the Bible. I've not come up with a definitive answer yet, but I'm working on it. Do you have any insight as to what "groaning" means according to the scriptures?
  13. I would consider a two year old as not very smart, so it wouldn't be a stretch to call someone who knew even less than a two old ignorant. I was reading between the lines, so that is why I thought you intimated ignorance on my part. Seemed like a logical conclusion, but I'll take your word that you didn't mean it that way. Thanks for clearing it up. I'm not so sure I'd say "anyone" can see that groaning of the spirit is an entirely different thing than speaking in tongues. There are actually quite a few scripture students who do in fact see it that way. I'm certainly not alone in my thinking. In any case, what do you think groaning of the spirit means? If you could include some scriptures I'd appreciate it. I'm always open to learning, but I need chapter and verse before I believe something. I've always thought the Bereans had the right idea (Acts 17:11). God bless...
  14. As a Christian, I would think you would explain to an ignorant brother what the word "groanings" actually mean. Instead you justify your beliefs by insisting even a small child would agree with what you say. I'm having a hard time seeing the love there.
  15. First of all, thanks for your prayers. We are all part of the same body, and it's nice to help each other any way we can (according to the scriptures of course). Rom 8:26-27, 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. It looks like the small child you mentioned hasn't read these verses yet. If they had they would know that one of the purposes (there are many others) for speaking in tongues is for making intercession for each other. I'm not sure how you know exactly what to pray for unless you got a word of knowledge which is one of the nine manifestations. If so, great! Short of that, you could speak in tongues for me. While you may not know my exact situation, your spirit does and that spirit is better equipped to pray for me than your mind. Of course there is nothing wrong with praying for me in your native language, and as I said, I do appreciate it. 1 Cor 14:15, What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Paul certainly used his understanding in prayer. If it's OK for Paul, it ought to be OK for us. In any case, this verse makes a distinction between praying with the spirit and praying with the understanding. Paul liked both. I think we should do the same.
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