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Interesting question @Frits. What's your take on it? Any theories? Love & Shalom

Barbarian, all you are doing here is quoting conjectures. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. You are taking what others have written and believing it, despite the outlandish premise, and selling it as your own - as if you have first hand knowledge. Except your not doing this very thing with the Word of God. That's okay. As it's your personal decision. But trying to offer these bitesized "facts for evolution" is madness - as they are intepretations of data, not data themselves. There is a difference. These cut-and-paste "facts" you are posting aren't helping your argument but free you from the logical d3batr I suppose. But as I said before, you are seemingly well-settled with evolution, as I am with Creation according to the Word. Therefore, let's agree that each other are wrong and leave it. Because I'm seeimg nothing new here and I'm sure I couldn't convince of 7 day Creation if you wouldn't listen to Moses.

Hey @Loulou How do you feel when you read the Word of God or pray?

Haha, the irony! No, thank you for your advice but I'll still with the Word of God over man-made interpretations of the data we actually have. I think we should leave the debate there Barbarian. I see that we have very little to discuss.

@The Barbarian so what I'm seeing is a lot of regurgitation (no offense intended), wikipedia links and an image of an amphibian. It feels like you are ultimately just relaying what you've heard from people you respect, which is okay. It seems your natural inclination is that towards the theories and conclusions of evolution. Which is fine, this is your choice of course. However, to start implying it's factual and irrefutable is just overconfidence in the manmade interpretations of the actual facts as they stand themselves. I used to be an evolutionist as well. I believed the scientists and universities as if they were prophets. It was only when I skipped the middlemen and investigated for myself, personally, that it all fell apart like a house of cards. But look, you seem passionate in your stance and so I don't expect to convince you of Creation, as it is in the Bible and without the baseless gap-theory. But when one can understand the difference between "fact" and "interpretation", the Bible and Science work together in harmony.

Oh dear @The Barbarian, i remain unconvinced and disappointed. A bullet pointed list with "confirmed" at the end of it means little to me. Where are the journals and links to examples of evidence itself? This just seems like a list that you are repeating from what you have been told is "fact". But have YOU looked into the work itself or are you taking another's word for it? Nonsense. Show me the link to the evidence. There MUST have been? Hmm ok then. Nonsense. Show me the proof of this claim, not theory. "Very much by natural selection"? Okay, glad you're sure. But based on what? Or rather - adapt. Or.. adapt. Hehe, this one was funny. There MUST have been right? Keep looking. This is not evidence of evolution from one kind into another. Nonsense. Check again. This was refuted many years ago. Interesting. Please send me the link to the evidence or study of this. And I'm sure evolution won't be the only answer. Besides evolution in a few decades? Doesn’t that break your "millions of years" requirement? Or...adapt. Or is a callus a skin evolution to you? Hmm. Proof if proof was needed.. Hmm. Well there you go. Not adaption but evolution into another being. Not convinced. But, by all means, if you have link to actual evidence and studies (as surely you're not just taking someone else's word as total truth) then please upload it.

Shalom @Walter and Deborah Imagine hearing the Father say to you... What a scary thing to hear! One of the most interesting passages in Exodus is this very mysterious one... Joshua or Yahushua ben Nun stayed in the tabernacle after Moses would leave. How fascinating. I wonder what he done there for if he ever spoke to Yahweh alone. Yahushua ben Nun was not a Levite. However, Yahushua is the name of the Messiah Jesus in Hebrew. So perhaps this was to serve as an illustration of the Son staying with His Father. Now, even though they had just departed Mt Sinai the Father says to Moses... It's possible that this "by me" was referring to Mt Sinai. In which case, Moses may have been stood in Elijah's Cave on Mt Sinai. This can be seen here and here. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah There's so much that we could discuss here, but for now I'll just say this. People tend to approach the commandments as very literal and indeed they are. But the true meaning behind them is the context of the picture that these commandments outline. To pur it another way, the Messiah taught the Beatitudes to show us the Way. All of His commands were literal, but they were about describing the man and woman that is pleasing to God - that is, charitable, loving, merciful, forgiving and just. We need to read through the commandments of the Torah to understand the lesson we are being told underneath, in the greater context. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah Bezaleel and Aholiab are among the first in Scripture to be blessed with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for the wisdom to work as supernatually gifted craftsman. The work of the Tabernacle and its frunishing must have truly been a sight to behold. The Sabbath is reconfirmed here with the explanatory summary... What a blessing He has given to be rested and refreshed like He was back then. The legend of these original tablets, the ones that Moses broke, was that they were made of sapphire stone. This is the description of the stone on top of Mt Sinai when the 70 elders went up with Moses. The second pair Moses cut were probably of stone though as he took them up rather than doing it there. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah, What a day this was for Israel. I would have loved to have been there but would probably be terrified at the sight and sound. The passage in which Yahweh says the He brought Israel to Him as if by "eagles wings" is very interesting. It indicates the swift nature of the exodus which may have surpassed human expectation. We learn in the Psalms that no one feeble was among them and in Exodus how they travelled day and night when leaving Egypt. This gives credibility to the crossing happening at the distant Nuweiba beach by the Red Sea, rather than the Sea of Reeds. This scene was depicted fairly well in the the film Moses with Ben Kingsley. The sound of the shofar grew louder and louder and became frighteningly deafening. But I love it how our Father arrives in style! Love & Shalom

Me too. The Queen's Gambit really made me want to play chess again (though I'm nowhere near her level!) The Crown is interesting. It's done really well but I'm not sure if they are telling the whole truth as it is, which ai suppose they can't. But I'm interested to see how they handle Season 4 as that's a topic dear to the public. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah Here is a photo of Rephidim as it stands today. The local Bedouins still refer to this as the Rock of Moses. Now, Amalek is a descendant of Esau, so here we see the old rivalry at work which would rage for centuries. There are even legends that say the Amalek is the birth of the Vampire myth - being a people that drank blood liberally. Whether true or not, I don’t know. This passage is a fascinating one. We’ve read earlier how Israel were being moved in stages so perhaps the Amalekites were launching raids on the travellers at a pincer point or on the weaker group of the pack. But rather than an instant plague, Yahweh seems to allow the men to fight. I understand this is to probably start training a battle-hardened army, but then why would Moses need to raise his staff? Perhaps so that Israel wouldn’t become too proud thinking “WE have defeated the Amalekites in our own strength”. But poor old Moses having to hold aloft the staff for the entire battle. Perhaps there is imagery here that I haven’t picked up on though, so I’d be interested in hearing other views. Whatever the story behind this event, Yahweh was really not impressed with the Amalekites thereafter – which insinuates either direct disobedience to not attack Israel (perhaps through a prophet like Balaam) or that they harboured such vicious and evil intent. King Saul was meant to destroy the Amalekites completely but spared Agag. Agag’s descendant was Haman in the Book of Esther who nearly manage to have all the Jews killed. When we read Yahweh say “destroy everyone of them, young and old” it can come across as an overkill. But just look at the repercussions when even just ONE man (Haman) survives from an evil seed (Amalek). Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah I have some handy links for this section. A cover of the Song Of Moses (YT) The location of Elim For a documentary evidencing the Red Sea Crossing, Elim, Rephadim, the Golden Calf and Sinai, I highly recommend this short one (YT). Love & Shalom

Shalom @Completed Israelite I, for one, found it fascinating. Thank you for sharing. I hope you continue to share your findings and are not discouraged by those with strong subjective opinions. Be careful not to get derailed from sharing and discussing what inspired you at the beginning. Thanks again for the insight! Love & Shalom

I'd love to. Please submit them.

Shalom @Walter and Deborah When it comes to obedience we often hear believers say “All that matters is my faith in Jesus! There is nothing I can do beyond this”. Whilst there is truth in this, at a foundational level, there certainly is obedience required after that commitment of discipleship. This is awesomely summed up in the first Passover. None of Israel had been given the Torah officially yet. They were told they were to have a future in the Promised Land and that Elohim was going to deliver them. They were in essence “saved” without Torah or by any righteousness of their own. And yet, there was obedience required with carrying out the first Passover Feast, with the blood on the doorposts. Back then, what would one of us do? Would we have NOT followed those instructions? Which one of us would say “I’m saved! I don’t need to do anything! I’m saved by Grace!” as the first Passover evening drew near? If such a believer would have ignored the instructions, what would have happened to their first born that evening? So then, we see a marriage between faith first (and foundationally) which brings forth fruit of obedience to the Father thereafter. But, if no obedience follows and one wishes to not “put blood on the doorposts”, then how can they say that Yahweh is truly their God? So we are saved by grace in order to serve, just as Israel were back then. As for the route the Israelites took, @Worship Warriors done a great post on it recently, which highlights the evidence of the specific route rather than the traditional one proposed across the Sea of Reeds. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah Here we have the final and fatal warning for the Pharaoh, worse than a warning of death to the Pharaoh himself. I don’t often like how they depict this scene in movies. I believe it’s in Cecil B DeMille’s classic in which he envisions this moment very poorly, effectively making it seem as Pharaoh’s idea or temptation. The fact of the matter is that way back in Exodus 4:23 Yahweh said that this would happen. It’s interesting that in verse 8 we see Moses storm out in anger. It shows the bravery he thought he would never have back at the burning bush. At first he is worried that the Pharaoh would never listen to him and spoke through Aaron. By the end it seems as he is talking down to the Pharaoh in wrath and indignation. Hah! What a development of character and what boldness. This boldness in Moses' indignation would be triggered again, albeit against Israel, and quite a few times. Now, even though this was a righteous indignation, ultimately this anger would be the cause of his undoing, at the waters of Meribah. Of course, the trials Moses went through were very intense compared to what we face today. But may the waters of Meribah serve to remind us that whilst righteous indignation is acceptable, personal/selfish indignation totally unacceptable - whoever you are. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah The grip around Pharaoh gets tighter and tighter. The plagues so far have been... 1. Nile as blood = Economy 2. Frogs = Removed comforts 3. Gnats = Active discomfort 4. Flies = Desecration of the home and what is sacred And now we have... 5. Livestock = Estate and future prospects 6. Boils = Health 7. Hail = Safety outside This will be shortly followed by... 8. Locusts = Desolation outside 9. Darkness = The senses 10. Firstborn = Offspring This plagues draw a tight grip over every area of life. Curses in every area that man takes for granted. We will see these same plagues in the last days. Whether literally the same plagues or plagues that give the same effect is yet to be seen. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah These first two signs Pharaoh's magicians could duplicate, by whatever means, but they could not undo them. Surrounded by blood-filled water supplies, the magicians only manage to make more blood rather than undo what Moses and Aaron done. Rather useless to Egypt really. Anyway, it seems this is the effect of the First Plague... Nile into Blood - Economy The Nile was the source of life and economic power for Egypt. When Yahweh struck this He was cursing their whole economy. Therefore we could see the future application of this curse/plague in the end times in a modern financial equivalent. Love & Shalom

Great post @Worship Warriors. Well researched and uplifting! The Exodus continues to amaze me, from the largest event down to the very smallest. And it is indeed a parable of our walk today, as Psalm 78 details, which is referenced specifically to the Messiah in Matthew. May El Elyon bless you further in your studies. Love & Shalom

Wow, that would have to be an extreme dream! Hehe. I can't say I can think of one that bad if I knew it was a dream. Have you had a nightmare that bad or an idea of one?

Shalom @Walter and Deborah Man, how I cringe for Pharaoh when he says... My dear boy, how you will live to regret that sentiment and prideful response! He would soon go on to say... “Rise up, get out from among my people, both you and the sons of Israel; and go, worship Yahweh, as you have said. Take both your flocks and your herds, as you have said, and go, and bless me also.” - Exodus 12:31-32 What a change in attitude. Israel's response goes from humility and worship (Exodus 4:31) to claiming Moses should be judged by Yahweh (Exodus 5:21) and even ignoring the Word of Yahweh (Exodus 6:9). Again, what a change in attitude. With enemies against him from all sides, Moses done the wisest thing a man could do... But I wonder if this meant he literally went back to Mount Horeb? At this stage, Moses might have thought he needed to communicate with Yahweh at a specific location, which is an interesting insight into his journey of discovery of Yahweh. Love & Shalom

Good point! And there is an interesting verse in Genesis 19:24 "Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven," (Genesis 19:24) Apparently, some ancient rabbis understood this verse to mean that a "Lesser Yahweh" on earth, who met with Abraham, called fire down from the "Greater Yahweh" in heaven. A notion which confused them but which makes sense if you know of His Son! Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah Here we possibly have an appearance of the Son of the Almighty before He was born as Yahushua (Jesus). Angel: Malach - Messenger. But because of the lack of vowels, it could also be read as Melech - King. Now, this Angel presence is seen by the Father as being synonymous with Yahweh directly... ...but is also a separate entity. Who else could that be but the Son. It seems that this entity (for want of a better word) identifies Himself as "I AM". This is often attributed direct to the Father, and that might well be the case, but as the conversation proceeds the Father gives His Name after. So let's have a look at this. Traditional Reading: Moses: "..they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Father: "I AM THAT I AM. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Yahweh God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever" Proposed Reading: Moses: "..they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Son (answering directly): "I AM THAT I AM. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Father (through the Son): "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Yahweh God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever" In the proposed reading we have that "I AM" and Yahweh sent Moses to Israel, that is both the "Angel" (Son) and the Father. This proposed reading makes more sense that the traditional reading, which implies that the Father first says "Tell them I AM sent you" and then modifies it later with "tell them Yahweh sent you". Now, it could be that both names apply to the Father and it was only Him speaking. However, we cannot ignore that Yahushua identifies Himself as "I AM" in John as well. This could be the same "Angel" who fights with Jacob at Peniel and the warrior who stands before Joshua in Joshua 5. In both instances the Angel will not give His name. So perhaps, if the proposed reading above is correct, "I AM" is not a name but simply a response about His eternal nature with the Father - until His name would be revealed in Bethlehem, many years later. Love & Shalom

Shalom @Walter and Deborah The Pharaoh that rose after Joseph died is said to have been involved in many conflicts with the Canaanites, according to historians. If he knew the association with Israel and the land of Canaan, that it’s likely that this led to him thinking: This deep-seated fear and hatred in the Pharaoh heart towards Israel may have given a platform for satan to influence him in the killing of the young male babies. This was surely attempt by satan to stop the rise of Moses, just as he tried to do through Herod at Bethlehem and the Messiah. In this dark opening to Exodus, I find the story of the Hebrew Midwifes heart-warming. Not only did they do a wonderful and brave thing, but their names are deliberately recorded in Scriptures as a memorial. What an incredible honour - juxtaposed against a mighty pharaoh who is unnamed. Love & Shalom