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I have tried drawing Jesus before, and I couldn't help but do my best to make Him look realistic and 3D, because in all my art classes and practice with drawing portraits and people, i have learned to draw faces and human figures realisticly, that's the way I draw. All of that gold and jewels would distract from the sermon, i like churches that are tastefully decorated, but not overdone. Beautiful churches are great, but people don't need to be distracted from the Lord and the message, and the way Eastern orthodox use icons and kiss icons, well I'd say it is idol worship, the same way the Catholics use rosary beads, statues of Mary and Jesus, crucifixes, paintings that they kneel down to and kiss, the bowing and praying to these material objects is down right idolatry. Art is meant to be admired, for beauty and decoration, to practice the talent God gives to the artist and craftsmen, to praise the Lord who is the first artist as Creator of the universe.

Thank you for your kind responses. I am lacking in love. I need to obey the Bible. I need to pray more, do the things I speak of, take my own advice.

Joyce Meyer has a program called projectGRL.org She teaches young girls in the USA and in third world countries about Jesus Christ's love, to love and respect themselves, to read the Bible and pray and take care of their bodies, minds and souls. It is a good program. I watch Joyce Meyer's preaching on week days at 9:30 in the morning. What makes me sad is that the ancient Bible laws do not respect and empower women. We are treated like chattel. A lot of the detailed laws outside the ten commandments seem petty and unfair. God expected old testament Jews to obey all those detailed prezise nitty-gritty laws? No wonder they failed and disobeyed! Well, the worse thing is the Hebrews practiced idol worship, which is really bad, they could have at least tried to obey the basic 10. I wonder if lust or imagining romance stories, is as bad as adultery, or taking the Lord's name in vane, coveting, drawing pictures of fairies or mermaids, could be graven images, putting my own dreams, imaginations, wants, desires, ahead of God, Bible study, prayer, if that could be idol worship, I have told white lies for convience, to protect myself or someone I love, I have gotten really angry with people, especially some very bad, evil people and have wished they were dead, is that like murder according to jesus? And maybe I have accidentally stolen a pen or a pencil or paper clip. So I guess I am guilty of breaking the 10 commandments. That is why I need Christ's blood shed on the cross to redeem me of my sins just like everyone else. Back in Bible days women needed good men to protect them from bad men. That's why they had laws about women submitting and obeying their husbands. The laws against adultery made sure that the children men had with their wives really belonged to their husbands. If a woman was raped, and she was engaged or married, their was the worry that she could become pregnant with another man's baby. The rapist was taking over another man's property. I don't think God intended for women to be thought of as property. That was something that happened with the middle eastern culture. I think it was a trick of the devil. About the Dinah incident, this was in the book of Genesis, the law of Moses had not happened yet. So that marry your rapist law had not been given yet as part of the detailed law God gave to Moses, so Jacob and his sons did not have that law yet, and neither did Shechem. I think Shechem lusted after Dinah, and his city must have been quite wealthy, so Jacob would benefit from Shechem's wealth, and in return Shechem would benefit from Jacob's wealth, all of his livestock. It was mutual benefits.

Throughout all of the Bible, God makes one important thing stand out, love, the power of love. Jesus tells us to love our enemies. He says: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. if someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. If you love only those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even "Sinners" love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Luke 6:27-36 There is something better, more on a amighty love: John 3:16 is a common witnessing, truthful verse that sums up the gospel in a nut shell. For God so loved the world, that He gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Now, really about love, If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge and I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient love is kind. I does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part, and we prophecy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappeared. When I was a child, I thought like a child, I talked like a child. I reasoned like a child. When I became I man I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, then I shall know fully even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.

I make choices, like Who Me said, we make mundane choices every day. I made the choice to go on the internet, to go on this website. I don't go on the computer every day. I am making choices to love and forgive people. I am making choices to pray and read my Bible. I help my parents clean up the house. i believe it would be good for me to take care of my parents whenever they become really old and need help for every day things. I want to serve the Lord with my art and writing. it's not that easy, but I am trying to draw Godly Christian art. And the stories I write are about Christian people who trust the Lord to help them with their dreams and find love. I am trying to live the narrow path. Sometimes I get angry over all the injustice in the world, I have to take time to cool down and let my brain relax and calm down, control my angry thoughts, the fouls words going through my brain, I ask God to take over and control my mind, to forgive me and stop the anger.

What about all the millionaire evangelists and preachers who constantly ask for money on TV and they live high on the hog in mansions with sports cars, private jets, not just one mansion but many, limos, many expensive cars landscaped gardens, big swimming pools, fancy expensive clothes and jewelry, big TVs, stereo sets, computers, horses and dogs, etc. What about Jim Bakker, Joel Osteen, Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell, Joyce meyers? I think whenever a preacher comes into a large sum of money he should spend it on charity. if the church building needs repairs, that might be a good thing to use the money on. The poor and homeless, those struggling with jobs in the church, some too handicap or injured to work, widows and orphans, the starving and sick in third world countries, this is what the money should be used on. Not on selfish expensive things for yourself. Especially if the person with the money is a minister, they should be held to higher standards. I'm not saying preachers should live in poverty, I guess they should be lower middle class, but they should remember the words of Jesus when they come into money.

That was a great story. I like that song. Do you know about Martin Luther's "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God"? my Dad told me about that hymn when I was singing it in church in middle school, I confused him with Martin Luther King, jr. Now i know better. Young people need to learn about Martin Luther, the great protestant reformer, who broke with the Roman Catholic Church because of its wicked corruption, most people just know about the black civil rights leader. Amazing Grace is another famous hymn with a famous story. Slave ship sailor John Newton wrote Amazing Grace. He was swept overboard during a storm, and was rescued from the ocean and brought back on board. God chose him and He became faithful and believed God saved him so he could turn his life around, he became an Episcopalian priest and gave his life to God. They made a movie that focused on William Wilburforce, a British politician who convinced British parliament to outlaw the british slave trade, the ships that the British carried slaves from Africa to America or to the Carribean islands or central, South America. John Newton was William Wilburforce's pastor.

Ok, first of all, you guys do not know me and have misunderstood what I meant to say. First, I agree it is a crime to enter the US illegally, Americans that travel to a foreign country have to have passports to go from one country to another, if they loose their passports they are in big trouble. Yes, they are breaking the law. But the children are innocent victims. Well, maybe not so innocent. But to have to put up with the abuse and horrible conditions, it is not the same thing as being in the military. We do not have child soldiers in our American military. Most people in the modern military sign up voluntarily, they should know what they are getting into before they join. Wars like the Korean and Vietnam, maybe Iraq war were for political reasons, where selfish greedy politicians desire the resources another country has, or they want to force another country to have the same kind of government we have. Don't you watch the news? Fox news is filled with lies. The democrats are good guys. Trump is a terrible, evil, racist, hateful, lying, selfish arrogant excuse for a human being. he is the worst president. I have heard on the news that the children are dirty, not allowed to take showers or change their clothes, not allowed to brush their teeth and they are given very little food and water, terrible bathroom situations too. They are over crowded. It is hard for them to find a place to lie down to sleep at night because of the crowded conditions. These are children, it is their parents or relatives fault for sneaking in and taking them with them. But American children in juvenile detention have it a lot better than this. I heard last night on the news that a 15 year old Mexican girl was groped, felt, molested by a border patrol agent, he put his hands in her bra and made her pull down her underwear. A teenage immigrant should not be molested by border patrol, they should be protected from violation of their bodies. How would you know about the blankets? maybe they are too hot? Why do you hate immigrants? Your own ancestors must have been immigrants, unless you are Native American. And a lot of people hate Native Americans, which is a shame.

A lot of you may be shocked by this mean-sounding Bible verse. I know I was when I first read it. Deuteronomy 22:28: if a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. That's terrible, very cruel towards the poor girl, isn't it? Is the Bible really sexist? Well there is a reason for this abominably horrible law. it's the story of Dinah in Genesis, she is Jacob and Leah's daughter, Joseph's sister. Her story is in Genesis 34 Dinah goes to visit the women of the area, in a place ruled by a man named Hamor and his son Shechem. Shechem falls in love with Dinah, seduces her, and they have intercourse. Shchem wants to marry Dinah, so he tells his father this. Hamor goes to see Jacob, who knows Dinah has been deflowered. Jacob waits for his sons to come in from the fields. He talks to Shechem, and they agree to make an alliance, Dinah will marry Shechem, and Jacob's people will marry the daughters of Hamor's land, Her brothers were very angry. Jacob made a condition that all the men of that town must become circumcised Shechem is so in love with Dinah he agrees, and the men are forced to become circumcised. While the men are still in pain, Dinah's brothers Simeon and Levi attacked the town with their swords and killed all the men, then her other brothers looted the town, taking all the livestock, animals, gold, silver, bronze, iron, everything of value, they even took the women and children as slaves. They killed Shechem and his father Hamor and dragged Dinah out of the town and back to her father's tents. Jacob was very upset. He told his sons that they have put the tribe's life in danger, their neighbors, the people around them, would get angry and could attack them, for they were few in number. But SImeon and Levi said, "Should we treat our sister like a prostitute?" I think this story encourages the marry your rapist law. Maybe trying to avoid a bloodbath? I think Deuteronomy 22:28 is a mistranslation. It is meant to say 'seduced', not 'rape' Maybe some teenagers in love who had made out would be allowed to get married instead of being stoned for fornication. It is a shot gun wedding. If a girl found a stranger handsome and interesting, well I think only a willing female partner should marry the stranger. I just don't think a good God would force an innocent young virgin girl to marry someone who brutally attacks her and steals her innocence, doesn't God love women just as much as he loves men? Well, I believe he does! I

Am I the only one concerned about the suffering of illegal immigrants crossing the border who are treated horribly by Trump and ICE? What about the poor little children locked up in prison camps who are not allowed to bathe, take a shower, brush their teeth or eat a decent amount of food and have thin foil sheets to sleep on and wear the same clothes they were apprehended in day after day. What kind of evil, cruel person in a Democratic country would treat people this way? I know they broke the law by entering the USA illegally, but even prisoners, people in jail should be allowed decent food and water to drink, showering facilities, tooth paste tooth brushes, a change of jail uniforms, and a decent place to sleep. The cells are overcrowded, both for immigrants and Americans. I heard the children are sent to court without any adult help to help them speak and explain why they are in the USA. They should have a lawyer to speak for them, I think that is the law. I think the law says that children can only be held in the prison camp for 3 days, then they must go to a safe home, like a foster home, a home for immigrant and homeless children without their families. Psychiatrists have shown pictures drawn by children detained this way. They show people behind bars and in cages. The people were very thin, almost emaciated, and they looked like they were in pain and suffering. Jesus Christ said, "Let the children come to me." He said the Kingdom of heaven belonged to those like little children. And he also said we should treat people the way we want people to treat us. The Bible also says that we should be kind to the alien, by that they mean foreigner, be kind to strangers and alien foreigners. The Hebrew people were foreigners and slaves in Egypt, so God told them to remember how it felt and be kind to other foreigners, and do not treat them badly like the Egyptians did. As Christians and Americans, we should treat immigrants with love and kindness. We should help central American countries, We need to fix the messed up migration system, there are a lot of American institutions that need cleaning up and fixed. Trump is responsible for the cruelty. He lies all the time, and he has even said that the harsh, cruel conditions were a deterent to keep migrants from coming in. If you don't like it, don't sneak into America, he said. I hope America can get a new president with the upcoming election. We need someone with compassion. We need a democrat.

Amen, the Bible gives me, so of my brothers and sisters so much hope. God is so good. I like working in the yard even though it is so hot; to see the beauty of nature, the flowers are so beautiful. There must be flowers in heaven. I have seen pictures of beautiful palaces, mansions, cathedrals, churches built by human hands, how much greater will heaven be! The Lord is so good to forgive us of our sins.

Thank you very much, Marilyn, for that Godly encouragement. You are very sweet. I used to be into some not so good things while claiming to be a Christian, going to church at the same time made me feel guilty. I read fantasy novels and liked fantasy movies, more than just Harry Potter, I read dragon fantasy novels, with dragons as the heroes. I read some Anne MacCaffrey novels and historical fantasy novels, King Arthur stuff, mythology, magic stuff. I am no longer interested in that. I write my own stories, I'm trying to write realistic stories about God's love. I had a good teacher who taught me about writing stories. Learning about Jesus' parables is very inspiring, I want to teach people like that. I have been drawing Easter pictures of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection. I like to draw the cross with spring flowers, because Jesus Christ died on the cross and took something that represented a terrible, agonizing painful cruel death for rebellious slaves and made it into something beautiful, a symbol of faith, hope and love, of God's deep amazing love for us, of his grace and sacrifice, his courage and strength, the strength to defy the flesh military, power empire world of Satan and free the ordinary common people as well as the powerful ones. Jesus set me free of the mess I was in.

I feel lonely because i stay at home often and I have not been to church in years. I cannot drive a motor vehicle, i don't have a job, but i go to art class one day a week. I live with my parents and they are retired. I help them out at home, clean up the house. I pray and read the Bible, I try to do this every day. I hate the usually unchristian TV shows, there is so much sin in the world, I wish I could avoid it. I have a large movie dvd collection. I see a psychiatrist and counselor. i was raised in a southern baptist Christian family. My parents are disapointed in right wing republican politics. I talk to my parents. I am not normal, but the Lord gave me other talents to make up for what I do not have. I want to tell others about God's love and mercy, how much Christ loves us to die on the cross, He taught us how to live and healed people. Jesus healed me of my broken heart and helped me to forgive people who hurt my feelings and made fun of me, he taught me about love.

I started off going to a Fundamentalist Protestant Christian private school when I was little. The work was too hard, too much to finish. My parents put me in a regular public elementary school after second grade, in third grade I was in a public school class room. It was a major culture shock, the other kids were very different, they might go to church and be Christians, probably a lot of them were Catholics, but they were not dedicated Christians like my family, they were of the world, and these kids did stuff my parents would never allow me and my sister to do. Anyway in third grade public school, I was sent to the school psychiatrist. I was very shy and barely strung three words together. I guess I acted weird. I had trouble because I had been taught not to talk, that talking in class was very bad, plus I was naturally shy. The other kids liked to tease me, they tried to get on the side of me where I had been taught to be obedient. Well I had no idea what a psychiatrist was, she did all these stupid tests. The school people and other child psychiatrists did tests on me, and when I think back on it I feel very angry about it. The world cannot tolerate anyone who is different. The mentally il, the handicap, mentally challenged, disabled, get treated like dirt by stuck up 'normal' people, when its the normal ones that are trash. I was put in special classes for students with learning disabilities. My teacher was very special, she was wonderful, a great teacher. I learned a lot, she inspired me to write stories. Anyway when I went into middle school I was in another special education class with a different teacher. She was nice too. My parents, at the suggestion of the school board, took me to see a child psychiatrist and psychologist. They did the ink blot test, ask questions, They tested my fine motor skills discovered I was clumsy and had trouble with hand-eye coordination. I can't play sports, but I can draw and paint well, my mom gave me art lessons, they were great I learned about different kinds of art and in class experimented with different media and colors. I saw a psychiatrist who prescribed pharmecy medicine for my problems. I don't think I had any seroius mental problems but there were side effects on the prescription medicine I had to take, i hated taking it. I went through teenage problems. I became interested in fantasy novels and movies. I started to like dragons. I always liked unicorns and fairies and Disney princesses since i was a little girl. I questioned my Christian faith I wondered if the God of the Bible was really a good god. Why is there so much blood shed and cruelty in the Bible, and in the world. The pain, suffering and evil of this world got me down. I suffered and wanted to leave this earth. Sometimes I was suicidal. I wished God would take me away to heaven. I read passages of the bilbe that were unpleasant, the devil encouraged me to become angry and rebellious, afraid and hurtful toward God. I think I have depression, a small amount of schizophrenia, I dream and imagine of better things, i fear and worry about bad and worse things. I read about different religions, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinhuism, Wicca, New Age, I learned about different denominations of Christianity, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans, Episcopalian church of England, Methodist, Baptist, Amish, Quakers, Just a brief paragraph about each. But I have discovered I need Jehovah/Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ savior of all humanity. When I am hurting, he heals my broken heart. There is something inside me that hurts, that feels broken and is in need of love. The devil knows how to strike where it hurts the most, he makes me feel to ashamed or uncomfortable to pray. Then, when I do pray It relieves me of the pain and uncomfortable feeling. I know Jesus Christ is the healer of broken hearts. I still see psychiatrists and take prescription medicine, but I think my Lord heals the best. Of all the religions I've read about, I have come home to Christ. Easter is coming soon, I want to praise the Lord Christ he has saved me from my own foolish ways.

Hi, I like the beautiful old medieval gothic cathedrals too. I like the brilliant colors of the stain glass windows. I like the crosses and steeples. I draw some buildings, but I would make a very bad architect because I am very bad at math. I also like some Renaissance churches in Italy. But I think the Pope and others having these magnificent buildings constructed would be wiser to think of the poor and starving they could feed with the money it cost to make these churches, they could feed the poor, especially in centuries past when there were a lot of poor, hungry people. Maybe idolatry could be avoided?

What makes you think Mary and John the baptist never sinned? The only person in the whole history of the world who has never sinned is Jesus Christ. Noah Aaron and Samuel might have been good people who served God; actually Aaron did something very wrong, he made the golden calf out of the Israelite people's gold jewelry and encouraged them in the idol worship of the golden calf, he was not as faithful and dedicated to the Lord like his brother Moses was. They were sinners too. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Faith in Christ is the only way to salvation, to heaven. The real Mary was very humble and righteous, she was a tender and kind loving mother for baby Jesus. The elevation of Mary as "Our Lady" happened while Christianity was being preached all throughout dark age Europe, Mary replaced Venus, the Roman goddess of love and beauty, a fertility goddess. The Queen of Heaven, was some dark and evil female demons like Ishtar, Inanna, Isis, Asherah, Ashtoreth, Astarte, Aphrodite, the German fertility goddess Freya, and some Celtic goddesses, Morrigan, Brigantia, and a lot of other love, fertility goddesses from the local regions they witnessed to as Christian missionaries. The priests of Rome would often make the popular local pagan gods and goddesses into 'Christian' saints. This is how the Christian faith would sway and stray away from the Bible and the truth. In the 4th century Christianity became legal by the Roman empire. Then it became the official religion of the empire. Emperor Constantine fought a battle in the name of Christ, claimed to be a Christian yet did not behave like one. I think it was after Christianity was legalized and became the official religion of Rome that it became corrupt. They started the whole 'saint' thing, and adopted many Roman gods as 'saints'. There is a saint feast day for every day of the year on the Catholic calendar. While medieval and Renaissance Catholics were busy worshiping 'Our Lady' the Catholic church was busy torturing, burning, and murdering real women with false charges of heresy and witchcraft. Men who were early protestants were also tortured and their works destroyed.

Have you read in the OT about Elijah raising a child from the dead with the power of God? And Jesus resurrected Lazarus, and Jairius' daughter, and a young man the only son of a widow. I think when Jesus Christ was born on earth, He brought the divine power of life with him. The power of the resurrection was already with him. He died on the cross as an act of sacrifice to pay for our sins. I have read that part of Matthew about the resurrection of the OT saints. Perhaps the Lord wanted to use them to spread the gospel. I honestly don't know. When I am in heaven I look forward to sitting at Jesus' feet and learning from Him all the things of the Bible I do not understand.

"For God so loved the world he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease, were there are tongues, they will be stilled where there is knowledge it will pass away. For we know in heart, and we prophecy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror, then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:4-13 I like these verses on love.

This is scary. I've decided I would rather commit suicide than let anyone put that mark of the beast on me. I will escape the grasp of those evil psychiatrists. But then there's my parents. They are not behaving very Christian lately. They don't go to church, which means I can't go to church. I can't drive. I have a few mental problems, I am forced to see psychiatrists and take medicine. In my town we have 2 walmarts, publix, walgreens, dollar stores winn dixie, and circle K. We have a lot of stores. This might be a bad idea, but maybe you could move?

The truth is I am against most abortions. I just think there are a few exceptions. If the mother's life is in danger, perhaps the baby will not live long outside the wound and is a waterhead baby and will die a few hours after being born, if he or she will be terribly handicapped and disable, disfigured beformed so much that life would be miserable and painful for him or her, if it is a child of incest or rape, I understand it is not the baby's fault for the father raping the mother. If a woman has loose morals and fools around with several different men, then gets pregnant, she should not blame the baby for her sins in fornication the unborn is innocent. She should put the baby up for adoption. Before the woman gets pregnant, the church and culture needs to preach purity and abstinence, it's too late once she is already pregnant. Jesus preaches pure hearts, but we are faulty, fallen human beings, of course lusts enters our minds once in a while. But we can go to Jesus for forgiveness and help cleansing our minds.

It is best to wait on God's timing. Look at how long it took Abraham to wait! There was that mess with Sarah, Hagar and Ishmael, Sarah got tired of waiting, it was her idea, she was desperate. A woman without children was a considered a real source of shame back then, using servants as surrogate mothers was common. But God did not approve of it. But he had a plan for Hagar and Ishmael. I have learned to wait on the Lord. And I have learned to do the Lord's work. The Lord has saved me from myself.

God will also punish misogynist nations who cruelly abuse women, rapists and sexually harassers, men have no right to say anything about abortion since they will never be in that situation. In medieval and Renaissance Europe and the British Isles women were cruelly tortured for the accusation of witchcraft and heresy, if they survived the torture they would be burned. It was during such dark and evil times that infanticide was a crime, if a woman had an illegal abortion she would be killed. Women didn't have to have abortions, babies and children died all the time from diseases we now have a cure for. If abortion were illegal, women would have back-alley illegal abortions. I used to be pro-life, now I am pro-choice. Hypothetical situation, if a twelve-year old girl were raped by her uncle and she becomes pregnant, should she have an abortion? The incest might make the baby mentally ill or handicapped, with serious disability problems, learning disability, mentally challenged, not right. The girl, at such a young age and body size, her health and life would be in danger from giving birth. I think Jesus would have compassion for women making such a hard decision. He would also have compassion for babies. I would have remained pro-life had I not realized pro-lifers were extremely fanatical and completely unreasonable. They did not want to have exceptions for the mother's life being in danger, or in cases of rape and incest, or if the baby will be a water head baby extremely handicapped and will die a few hours outside the womb. With no exceptions, there is no reason or sanity, they have become insane fanatics.