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  1. We know who the King of the North is during Gog Magog, which is after the 1000 years. Rev 20 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. But who is the King of the North before the 1000 years. Look around. Who do you think the King of the North is today and has been since WW I? It should be pretty clear that the United States is in prophecy.
  2. Eze 38 11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, The land has walls. As the images show, these are not unwalled villages. The walls do not come down until after Christ comes and the nations are at rest. Additionally, fire comes down from heaven and Gog is buried. Eze 39 6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord. 11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Ezekiel prophesies that fire will come down from heaven as does John in Revelation. Gog dies and is buried. I just don't think your logic is correct. Its like hearing a story that Jack and Jill went up the hill because they were thirsty and saying that it is not the same story as Jack and Jill going up the hill to fetch a pail of water because you see no pail. Ezekiel prophesies about Gog, Magog and John tells us in Revelation when it will happen. If you would put things where God says they go, everything falls right in place.
  3. Gog Magog occurs after the 1000 years Rev 20 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
  4. Hi Sister, Since you mention history, let's look at history. The Mede's are not Islamic nations. The Medes are the modern day Kurds. History tells us this. Additionally, you say that the world is spiritually Babylon and Islam comes against it. Then you quote Jeremiah 51. Let's put things where God says they go. Jeremiah 50 and 51 is a prophecy against Babylon, the land of the Chaldeans. Jer 50 1 The word that the Lord spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet. Jer 51 4 Thus the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans, and they that are thrust through in her streets. Babylon is in the midst of the her prophesied judgement. Did you not notice Gulf War I and Gulf War II? The judgement is not over and will conclude with no man living there.
  5. I know. If you saw, you would correct. Absolutely. Agreed. This comment tells me that you do not understand Rev 14. Rev 14 is the gathering that you see in Matt 24, which occurs in the 6th seal. This event does not occur when Christ returns to set up His kingdom.
  6. The point that I am making is that the kings and priests that you see in Rev 5 that come out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation, is obviously the raptured church. Rev 1 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. The real problem for those that believe in a pretribulation rapture is to figure out what to do with the coming of Christ in the clouds in Rev 14. Rev 14 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. The vine is gathered and cast into the wrath of God in the middle of the wrath of God? How does that work?
  7. All events are under His direction. We know there are more than 24 kindreds, and tongues, and people, and nations. OK. I agree. The Church will be in the fathers house during the tribulation. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in God will turn His attention to the twelve tribes. Then the church will be gathered from heaven and the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth will be gathered from the earth to be with the Lord in the clouds. None of Gods people will experience His wrath. The great multitude will be in heaven during the wrath. The nation of Israel will go through Gods wrath in a place of protection. Mark 13 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Which of course we can see happen in Rev 19 Rev 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. The gathering in the clouds that we see at the end of Rev 14 is the same gathering that we see in Matt 24, which is the same event that we see at the end of Rev 6. The wrath of God begins in Matt 24, Rev 14 and Rev 6 (The wrath actually begins with the opening of the 7th seal but they see the coming of Jesus in the 6th seal and understand the day of His wrath is come.)
  8. That's not a problem whatsoever other than time. The problem is accepting what the Word says and putting things where the word says they go. Once you understand that the 70th week of Daniel does not include the wrath of God, everything lines up perfectly.
  9. Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Rev 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? It would seem that these are the same events. This is also the coming that is seen in Rev 14. Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. The scriptures that were listed in Matt 24, Rev 6 and Rev 14 are the same events and they occur just prior to the wrath of God.
  10. Hi Old Coot, Well done. I see that you believe that the Church is removed pre trib, before the seals are opened. I also think that you believe that the seals are the tribulation period. Am I correct in this? If so what do you make of these verses? Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Do you think this is the second coming when Christ sets up His kingdom on earth?
  11. Exactly. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood with the ark doors closed. It is a picture of the Church being raptured before the 7oth week of Daniel and the coming wrath of God.
  12. You are mistaken. You did not prove it by scriptures. You have incorrectly proven it to yourself. Another poster, Old Coot gave the perfect BIBLICAL explanation : The description of the woman mirrors the Genesis 37:9-11. And that is clearly Jacob/Israel... the twelve literal tribes and not some "spiritualized" idea of the Church being that entity. The answer is simple. Present day Israel will change after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Rom 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Oh yes, the Word says the woman is Israel. It's not complicated, it's just a matter of you putting aside what you have been led to believe and accept the written Word of God. Israel is the woman so it would not persecute itself. Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948 proving yet again that God keeps His word. Isa 40 21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isa 60 8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows? Here are the verses that you mentioned and they have absolutely nothing to do with the Church going to her place where she is nourished for a time, and times and half a time. It is those that flee as instructed when the abomination of desolation is set up in the nation of Israel that go to a place of protection. I would say that the earth is the earth. No need to dream up an explanation of what the earth is, as the earth is the earth. It's pretty easy to get sidetracked when you go about dreaming up things. Why not accept that the earth is the earth. You have gone about dreaming up a bunch of stuff. The 144,000 are 12,000 from each tribe of the 12 tribes of Israel exactly like the Word says. The false messiah will not be wrathed with the Church as the Church will not be on the earth when these events occur. We can see the Church in heaven before any seals are opened. The 1st six seals are the tribulation period.
  13. I don't believe you are correct. Those that are taken in Matt 24 are taken to the clouds. The ones that are left are cast into the wrath of God which is on the earth. Matt 24 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Matt 24 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. The Church will be gathered from heaven as they will be raptured before the tribulation. The 12 tribes go through the tribulation after fullness of the Gentiles comes in. They will be raptured from the earth prewrath. Jesus will be in the clouds and that is where the eagles will be.
  14. Yes the Pope claims to be the Vicar of Christ, God on earth. Where did that come from? It originated with the religion of ancient Babylon. This false religion spread all over the world. Who was Caesar? God on earth. Who was Pharaoh? God on earth. Who was Napoleon? God on earth. This false religion of the sun, moon and star is all over the world. The false savior is Tammuz, the reincarnated Nimrod. Tammuz from Babylon is Horus from Egypt, Apollo from Greece, Thor from Scandinavia, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc different names all over the world.
  15. You are merely proving my point which is both the Jew and Gentile can be in the fold Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. So we see in Hosea that Gods plan was for Israel was to be in the first harvest as he saw the fathers of Israel as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time. Since they served other Gods the Gentile will be in the first harvest, Pre Tribulation rapture, before the seals are opened. After the harvest of the Gentiles, which we can see in heaven in Rev 4, Rev 5, God turns his attention to the 12 tribes. We see that the 144,000 of the 12 tribes become the 1st fruits of the harvest. This harvest of the 12 tribes, which is guaranteed because there are 1st fruits, will take place in the pre wrath rapture. (Matt 24, Rev 6)
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