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  1. Agreed. It's fact. So since you taught pretrib and now you don't should that be considered proof. That's like people that say they were Christians and now they aren't. Is that to be taken as proof that Christianity is wrong? The harvest does not occur until the dead in Christ rise. And PENTECOST is an early summer harvest feast. And when the fullness of the Gentiles occurs, God will turn His attention to His Chosen. Jer 8 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved. The eyes of the Chosen will be opened.
  2. It is the Church being raptured before the tribulation. The 12 tribes go through the tribulation and are raptured prewrath and the nation of Israel goes through the wrath of God in a place of protection. All just like the word says. Probably just a lack of understanding. There has been no harvest. The harvest is when the dead in Christ rise first and those who are alive are caught up with the Lord in the air. Again, just a lack of understanding.
  3. Wonder why we see the Church in heaven pretrib, before the seals are opened? Wonder why the days of the Son of Man will be like the Days of Noah (where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood) and the Days of Lot (the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came) Wonder why we are told if the Goodman knew what day he was coming he would have watched and we are told we are not in darkness that that day will overtake us as a thief. Wonder why the fig tree bears two crops Wonder why there is an early summer grain harvest and a fall fruit harvest Wonder why Pentecost is a harvest feast as is the Feast of Trumpets Wonder why God saw the the fathers of Israel as the first ripe in the fig tree, at her first time. But they went on to serve other Gods and would not be the first harvest. Wonder why there is a gathering from heaven and earth. We can see the church in heaven before the seals are opened and when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God will open their eyes. There is a pretrib rapture of the Church and a prewrath rapture of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. Only the nation of Israel goes through the wrath of God. They do so in a place of protection. If you think there is only one rapture listed in scripture, why is there so much confusion?
  4. Rev 6 is certainly "A" rapture, but it is not "THE" rapture. We already see the church in heaven in Rev 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. The church has been redeemed out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation, before any seals have been opened. The first six seals are the tribulation period as we can see in Matt 24
  5. Neither. Mostly Floydian. I see that you take a peptic regurgitory view of others ideas without regard to verisimilitude.
  6. No, it is fact, for anyone that does their own investigation, instead of believing the nonsense that is pumped out. Right. Nothing is self evident. I'M TELLING YOU TO TAKE THE TIME, to see if the nonsense you have been fed is correct. I don't care about these people. I care about what has happened during the history of the Church. What did the early Church believe. I tire of the John Nelson Darby blah, blah, blah. The question is did the early church believe in a pre trib rapture? Nothing to do with what I believe. The question is not what you have been fed to believe. There is plenty of proof that the early Church believed in a pre trib rapture, but even that is not the proof you need. That only proves that the John Nelson Darby, blah, blah, blah, 1800's blah, blah, blah is a load of nonsense. The real question is what does the Word of God say? There is a reason that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. There is a reason that there is a early summer grain harvest and a fall fruit harvest. There is a reason the Feasts of Israel should be studied. The Bible has the answers for those that seek the truth. Let me guess, the church is Israel?
  7. I'm sure that you have never investigated the facts for yourself, because if you did you would not be going on about John Nelson Darby. It's like when I hear someone going on about evolution and science. I know that they have never investigated the facts for themselves, because if they did they would not believe such things. If you understood the 7 feasts of Israel you would understand the things that are to come. There will be a rapture before the tribulation and then God will deal with the twelve tribes. Rev 7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. There will be 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel. They are a guarantee of a harvest of the 12 tribes.
  8. There is a reason that Noah is closed into the ark 7 days before the flood. They were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage UNTIL the day Noah entered the ark. The Church will be in heaven during the 70th week of Daniel, the tribulation period. God will turn his attention to the twelve tribes that are scattered across the earth. He keeps His promises.
  9. Who said anything different. Nothing here but you blowing a smoke screen. Tossing out some truth, and pretending that I am in disagreement. Standard MO. Can you provide the verse that you are taking out of context to prove this? Any verses to support this malarkey? The usual, mix a little truth amid the gibberish and hope it all flies. Back to the standard MO. Throw some truth out and act like I'm against it.
  10. Rom 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. We know many scriptures that tell us that God will turn His face towards Israel after He has dealt with the Gentile. However, there is a group of people that had no faith that God could and would keep His word to Israel as there was no Israel. Therefore they are the ones that had a man made invention that the Church was Israel. Once God re-established Israel as a nation, they continued in their folly despite absolute proof that Israel was reborn. God will keep His promise to His people. Period.
  11. Your original premise is just plain wrong. You further complicate things by posting this verse. That in the dispensation of the fulness G4138 of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: (Eph 1:10) Since it's obvious that you do not understand what the verse means i attempted and failed to get you to understand that the fulness of time is different than the fulness of times, as is one is singular and one is plural. The reason that it is plural, fulness of times is because there are two events happening. 1- A gathering from heaven 2 - A gathering from earth. Mark 13 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. The fulness of times being discussed is 1) The time the Gentiles are in heaven after the pretribulation rapture. They are then gathered from heaven. 2) The gathering of the 12 tribes from the earth. This occurs at the end of 70th week, just before the day of the Lord. I realize these are things that are just flying over your head. You don't understand the verses. If you did, you would not be using them to try to prove your premise. These verses have nothing to do with proving that the fulness of the Gentiles is not a quantity.
  12. No, the dispensation of the Gentiles is completed when the fulness of TIME for the Gentiles is completed. However, as I said, the fulness of the Gentiles has absolutely nothing to do with the fulness of times. You are quoting a verse that is talking about the gathering from heaven (the church) and the gathering from earth (the twelve tribes). I suggest you study 1st fruits and the Feasts of Israel so you can put things in their proper order. I have already shown that the FULNESS OF TIMES being referred to is the Gentiles Church being gathered from heaven and the 12 tribes being gathered from the earth. I realize all this is going over your head but is is called the fulness of times because there are two things happening as shown previously The gathering from heaven and earth occurs just prior the the Wrath of God. Which is the beginning of the day of the Lord. Exactly. As I quoted in previous post Yes you have provided good evidence. Nice job. However, I already understood that the fulness of TIME is a term that speaks of the end of a dispensation. I am so I do. But you don't seem to understand that verse you quoted earlier has the do with the gathering from heaven and earth of the church and the twelve tribes. Thats why is says the fulness of TIMES When the fulness of the Gentiles has come in, God will turn his attention to the 12 tribes. The 70th week is about God's 12 tribes. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. That means there will be a harvest of the 12 tribes, and that harvest will occur just before the day of the Lord. Thank you brother. And to you also.
  13. Your point is incorrect. I already showed you what the gathering from heaven and earth was referring to. There is absolutely no scriptural basis for the things you are saying. The gathering from heaven and earth happens and then the Day of the Lord begins. The beginning of the 1000 year Day of the Lord starts with the Wrath of God. The fulness of times has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the fulness of the Gentiles. And that end will occur with the gathering from heaven and earth. Then the 1000 year Day of the Lord begins with the Wrath of God. What I see is that the fulness of the Gentiles has nothing to do with the fulness of times. There are no scriptures that you can produce that say differently. You are off track. When the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, the 12 tribes of Israel will see that Jesus is the Messiah. God will turn His attention to Israel and their blindness will be removed. Rom 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
  14. I read the above and understood why you thought that way. I then showed you the flaw in your logic. The fulness of the Gentiles has absolutely nothing to do with the fulness of times Your premise that the fulness of the Gentiles has something to do with the fulness of times is in error. Therefore the message regarding it is not applicable brother.
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