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  1. Yes, at the rapture of the church. I enjoyed reading what you wrote on the feasts.
  2. Yes. The twelve tribes that are scattered across earth will see that the believing Church has been raptured. This will likely occur on Pentecost, the summer harvest feast. They will see that the summer harvest has occurred and they are not saved. In their jealousy they will seek the Lord and their eyes will be opened. The harvest of the 12 tribes will likely occur during the fall Feast of Trumpets. The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. They will look up as their redemption will draw nigh. Rom 11 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
  3. I think you are following what I am saying. And yes, I do separate the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth from those that are in the physical nation of Israel. I do this because that is what the scripture says happens. Most people that believe in the pretrib rapture find it necessary for the verses in Matt 24 to be the second coming of Christ when He sets up His kingdom on earth. That's clearly not the case. It is the gathering by the angels from heaven and earth. It will be time for the marriage supper. If God says that there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes, that means that there will be a harvest of the 12 tribes. The 144,000 will be witnessing to the 12 tribes that are around the world. They will look up and when their redemption draws nigh as they will know that the last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. If you look at the feasts of Israel you will find that they tell you what will happen.
  4. The Church is caught up pretrib or pre 70th week. We can see them in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 before the seals are opened. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Then God turns his attention toward the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. We can prove that by the 144,000 first fruits. The first fruits guarantee a harvest and the harvest is the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. This occurs at the 6th seal. The very day Lot leaves Sodom, destruction comes. Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Rev 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Matt 24 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mark 13 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. This is a gathering from heaven and earth. The Church is gathered from heaven and the 12 tribes are gathered from the earth. That does not include the nation of Israel as they go through the wrath of God in a place of protection, that is, the ones that flee when the abomination of desolation is set up.
  5. Thanks Joe, but those are very weak arguments. I could take it apart piece by piece, but it's not really necessary as these statements are all that needs to be said. Gog Magog is after the 1000 years when the walls of Israel are no more. There is a specific group of people who come against Israel: Eze 38 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. These people are coming with horses and swords. Armageddon on the other hand is all the nations of the world coming against Israel and ultimately God. Two completely different groups of people which prove without doubt that Joel Richardson is wrong.
  6. Now this is a tough question. It's much tougher than you may realize. I could tell you the answer is the first seal, the rider on the white horse. And if someone says that the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist, I would not argue as it only would only confuse things. I'd just roll with it. I think you will find though that the rider on the white horse is the prince that shall come. He is not the Antichrist. The rider on the white horse is the 7th king. There will be an eighth king that will come who will be one of the seven. The eighth king is the Antichrist, the King of Babylon, who has the wound of the sword and does live. I have never really studied what seal I thought he will come in. But I think I can figure that it is the 4th or 5th, most likely the 5th This of course will be very confusing for you to understand as your timeline will not likely be anywhere near what mine will be.
  7. You are correct. He will send his angels and gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth (the twelve tribes) to the ends of the heavens (the church that is in heaven pre trib). This is the same gathering that we see in Matt 24. And as you have said, it is not the second coming of Christ to set up his kingdom on earth. Matt 24 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Only those that flee as instructed in the nation of Israel go through the wrath of God in a place of protection. None of Gods people experience his wrath.
  8. No, I don't think it is going to take time for Israel to get tucked away. They are told to flee immediately and not go in the house to grab anything. The 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth will be raptured before wrath begins, immediately after the tribulation of those days. It is only the nation of Israel that goes through the wrath of God and they do so in a place of protection. The church will be in heaven before the tribulation begins as that is the time of Jacobs trouble. What we can be sure of is that the Day of the Lord does not occur until the 6th seal.
  9. Noah in the ark 7 days before the flood represents the church raptured before the 70th week. Lot being removed the day Sodom is destroyed represents the 12 tribes being raptured the day God's wrath begins. Agreed, but there is a reason that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. And there is a reason that the very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes.
  10. Hey Joe, Wait a second, you said a very careful reading. Let's proceed carefully and see what is really said. Yes, Noah is told to enter the ark in verse 1. Let's read a little more carefully. Gen 7 7 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. 5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him. 6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. Noah had already done what the Lord commanded. We see that in verse 5. Then the flood comes in verse 6. Verse 7-12 is just a rehash of verses 1-6, with additional information. And that information includes the fact that Noah, his family and animals entered the ark and that it came to pass after 7 days that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, 9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Gen 7 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; 14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in. 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. Verses 13-17 is just a rehash of verses 1-6 and 7-12 with additional information, and that information tells us that on the SAME DAY, Noah, his family and all the animals were loaded onto the ark. That's not 7 days, it's one day, the SELFSAME DAY. And that selfsame day that they all entered occurred when they were instructed to enter. And it came to pass 7 days later that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.
  11. Really like your thoughts here Joe, though I don't agree. I see the Church in heaven in Rev 5 before the 70th week begins. Rev 5 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. The 70th week if for thy people, the twelve tribes. Dan 9 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. "as it was in the days of Noah" Matt 24 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Noah entered the ark 7 days before the flood. As the Church will be in heaven during the 70th week. Matt 24 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mark 13 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. It is not the church raptured from the earth in Matt 24, It is the 12 tribes of Israel. The angels will gather the church from heaven and the twelve tribes from the earth. None of Gods elect will go through the wrath of God. The nation of Israel will go through the wrath of God in a place of protection as the Church and the 12 tribes are at the marriage supper.
  12. Eze 38 11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, Those walls will be up until AFTER Christ returns with the armies of heaven.
  13. Do you have any proof that this can only refer to the antichrist? I certainly do not know of any proof that this can only refer to the antichrist. Actually the antichrist towards the end of the 70th week, 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away. Dan 12 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Rev 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. If you are looking for the correct time stamp, you will see that the Tribulation, the 70th week of Daniel, is over before the wrath of God begins, which means that it is over before the 1st trumpet judgement. Could be a match if you only had this piece of information. But we have other information that says this occurs after the 1000 years. No, Joel 2 is talking about a day of clouds and darkness. Not a match whatsoever. Joel 2 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
  14. Hi Joe, Your statement shows why Gog Magog CANNOT occur during the 70th week. You said yourself that it is a false security, where the scripture clearly shows it is a real security. Eze 38 11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, THE WALLS OF ISRAEL When the rider of the white goes forth, he goes forth conquering and conquer. There will also be wars and rumors of wars. The walls of Israel will not come down until after the true Messiah comes to the earth.
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