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Thank you, so just because the OSAS believers are more aggressive and will gang up on those rejecting it 6 or more to one here at WCF means nothing.

I would suggest that anyone claiming we can get saved by faith and continue in a lifestyle of willful sin is a wolf trying to devour the lambs. It is false doctrine. It is a lie from the pits of hell to say we can commit even one act of rape and murder a day without repenting and go to heaven, let alone 1000 acts of rape and murder.

I am not saying the majority is always right. I am just saying everyone has the same Bible and we are divided over OSAS. You are clearly not in the majority. There is an effort being made to make it appear most believe OSAS, when they don't.

I believe in conditional security. If we accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour and continue serving him, we are kept, but if we go back into sin, we will lose our salvation.

I never accused you of that. I just want those who reject OSAS to know that outside of places like here, in the church at large, more than half reject it. Methodists, Wesleyans, Assemblies of God, Church of God, Church of Christ, Lutherans, Apostolics, Church of Christ, Pentecostal Holiness, and even some Baptists like Freewill Baptist reject OSAS.

There is an example of God killing sinful Christians in Acts chapter 5, Ananias and Sapphira, and I don't believe they went to heaven. Being born again is spiritual and not logical. As such, there is no reason you can't be unborn. Logical doesn't apply to any of this. I know you feel like it is you against the world, but that is not true. You may be out numbered here, but the church at large is divided over OSAS, and most of the Protestant denominations disagree with it.

I absolutely agree with you about confession.

They gather so much information on their members, in a way they can.

I am not saying he is unrepentant. Who am I to say? I am saying I understand his doctrine. He means what he says. He unapologetically believes in unconditional security.

We are so far apart in what we are saying, it should be obvious what the differences are between OSAS and non-OSAS. As far as Butero and his site goes, there may be minor points where we differ, but I am worlds apart from this hypergrace message.

What you call repenting isn't sorrow for sin and turning from sin, but just believing. You say if he believes he goes to heaven. That is the point.

The problem is @Tzephanyahu, his doctrine really means you can have an unrepentant man living next door to a woman he raped and killed in heaven because he believes in Jesus.

The person in question does believe unrepentant rapists and murderers who believe in Jesus go to heaven and made a joke of those who disagree, and you consider me the weaker brother? There is something seriously wrong with a doctrine like that. What he said wasn't a mistake! He meant it.

I had internet issues. That was a despicable joke.

Making jokes about rape and murder shows a person isn't taking it serious. This also shows no understanding of the gospel. It makes light of that too. Yes, if a person truly repents and means it, God will forgive them. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the basics, but the notion that unrepentant murderers and rapists will live next door to their victims in heaven is disgusting, and that is the message that being conveyed.

Making jokes about rape and murder shows a person isn't taking it serious. This also shows no understanding of the gospel. It makes light of that too. Yes, if a person truly repents and means it, God will forgive them. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the basics, but the notion that unrepentant murderers and rapists will live next door to their victims in heaven is disgusting, and that is the message that being conveyed.

This shows such a lack of understanding of the message of the gospel, and insensitivity towards victims of violent crimes!

One of them is saying a Christian can commit rape and murder 1000 times a day without repenting and go to heaven. Now the same person is making a joke about violence towards women and murder while another person laughs at it. It is shameful and sad. I don't know how anyone believes anything they teach.

Jokes about rape and murder?

I don't know what you read that put your mind at ease, but I don't trust them.

According to my interpretation, you are not automatically covered. I should know my own interpretation.

False doctrine does grieve me.

It doesn't say he recognized it as sin. I don't believe he did.

Even non members can access the video link at Narrow Way, but I will see if I can get you a direct link.

It wasn't willful with Peter, but he will forgive if they confess it.