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Leyla

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  1. I appreciate it, that bothering me in every thread I make is tolerated here. Can you stop interrupting productive conversations by always mentioning me or my private information. Its really distracting for me. I only share personal information that Im comfortable with on the internet, however I did not share it to have it written in every thread, everywhere i write. Atleast do it like the others and limit yourself to only bothering me in private messages.
  2. Again, what makes you assume that there is only one God and why do you assume that its your God, the God of the bible? Mine or your health condition, have no influence over which things are true and which are false. How do you know that I should seek Jesus and not Allah or Wischnu or Zeus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster? Mohammad is a prophet only to those who have faith and believe in him. Do you see how little value claims like this have? What method did you use to determine what religions are manmade? Did you use the same method on christianity? How did you determine that christianity is true? How did you determine that mohammad was a simple human and jesus the son of god? How dare you to devalue innocent humans to a point where you can even accept that they will experience punishment in an eternal fire in hell. How can you be so cruel and nonloving to humans? Im not morally crooked enough to do that. I have more respect for my cat, than you have to some humans I dont care about what you believe, but its time to stop following me on every thread, if the only thing you want to do, is saying bad things about me. If you ever decide to participate in a productive conversation then go ahead. However if you only aim to say bad things or to make claims without providing evidence, then atleast stop mentioning my name everytime you do that.
  3. Could this exact situation, happen in an alternate world, an alternate universe that has no God?
  4. No that would be horrible. Something that is horrible is not a miracle from God, so I dont consider this example a miracle
  5. Do we have any reason to assume that without God, science would not exist? I think a thought experiment (my favourite one) would help alot. Imagine an alternate universe. Universe A has God. Universe B has no God. How will universe B, be different from universe A? If we can determine how a universe without a God would look like, we can start to compare it with the universe that we live in right now and see if there are any similarities or differences.
  6. Thats something I heard with other religions too. I remember that my family had a documentary running about how Islam helped prisoners start a new life, become better humans etc. Islam contradicts the Christian view completly. It seems that religion can change your life, even if its something that is probably not true. ( Scientology, Islam, Paganism etc). I also remember the time when I was on a satanist website similiar to this forum. People talked alot about how finding a new community (that accepts them) helped them in their life. It helped them overcome depression or addiction, find the strength to apply to a job after year long unemployment etc. Just having a community or finding a believe system that ressonates with you, is often enough to change your life. It doesnt tell you anything about the validity of your believe system. I cant make dead people alive again. Do you have proof that God can bring people back to life? Proof, that the Bible is worth believing in or that (our) God exists would be enough for me.
  7. I am not playing games I simply examine ideas and check if they are worth believing in. I am trying to believe and I am NOT trying to make others not believe. I am simply scrutinising Christianity the way I did with Islam. If Christianity is something that can not withstand scrutiny, then is it really something worth believing in? If Christianity can withstand my scrutiny, then I would have a reason to accept it. We scrutinise EVERY idea, except our religion. Why is religion something we have to make an exception for? Why do you think that Christianity will lead to salvation, and not Islam, Paganism, Buddhism, Janeism, Judaism, the ancient egypt Gods, the old greek gods, Mormonism, Hindus, Sikhism, Bahaism, Confucianism, Shintoism or one of the other thousands of religions? If one religion is true, then all the others are false, and all the other religions will lead to hell (atleast for the religions that have a concept of hell). We have to find the religion that is true, and we can only find it if we question everything and look for the most reasonable religion. Do you have proof for christianity? Outside of "just believe"? If "just believe" was all that was necesarry, to proof something true, then all religions are true. Every serious follower of a religion, thinks that their religion is true and that its the best for them. What makes christianity different? Also what are the proven facts to all true christians, can you tell me atleast one. How are close examinations, careful research and logical conclusions "deceiving others"? You did not reply to any of my serious replies, for example my calculations of the flood in my previous posts. All you do is assert that Christianity is true without providing any evidence that its true. Aslong as we did not establish, that Christianity is true, we have to take into consideration that Christianity could be a false religion, a smokescreen that distracts us from the true faith.
  8. Okay Ill go it through. What miracles? Okay lets imagine an alternate universe. Imagine we have 2 universes. Universe A has Jesus in it ( our universe ) . Universe B doesnt have Jesus in it. Universe A has a God, Universe B is Godless. Lets also make the assumption, that we have an earth and the exact same humans in both universes. How will universe B, be different from universe A? What things will happen in universe A, that will never happen in universe B and vice versa? Once we can determine, how a universe without a God would look like, we can start to compare it with our universe and see similarities or differences.
  9. What method can we use, to determine what is a real relationship with God and what is not? To discover what is true and what is false
  10. Maybe my receptor is broken, how is yours currently? Do you know someone with better sensors than mine so we can examine miracles more closely.
  11. because this thread is about modern day miracles. If someone experienced something that can be considered a miracle, then it would benefit us all to know about it. God doesnt seem to be a responsive entity, so it will take some time until I get an answer from him.
  12. Basically the question in this link is : Where did the sand / rock in the grand canyon come from? Must be the flood! " https://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_geol.htm " The North American Plate is moving west and is colliding the Pacific Plate which is moving towards the northwest. The Pacific Plate is also expanding from its middle and its eastern edge is being subducted beneath the North American Plate as it comes into contact with it. Oceanic plates are typically subducted beneath continental plates because they area heavier. As pressure increases while they are being subducted they tend to get heavier still and to some extent they start to fall and pull more plate along with them. As the Pacific Plate moves beneath the North American Plate the rock of which it is composed is superheated and water is released and begins to rise. This water, which is extremely hot, causes lighter minerals tomelt and forms lava which feeds the chain of volcanoes on the eastern edge of the Pacific Rim which runs from Alaska to Chile. The conflict between the plates is also frequently responsible for mountain building activity. As the plates are forced together they sometimes buckle which causes mountain ranges to be formed along the contact point. This is how the Rocky Mountains, the Sierra Nevada and the costal mountains of California were formed and how the Aleutian Island are being formed today. A much older range of mountains, which geologists suspect were much higher than todays Rocky Mountains and may even have rivaled the Himalayas, now forms the base of the Grand Canyon. The rocks that made up these mountains are about 1.7 billion years old, or about one-third the age of our planet. These mountains have long since eroded away and sedimentary deposits have covered them over. The sediments that covered the roots of these ancient mountains were deposited by a series of advancing and retreating ocean coast lines. As the climate of our planet warms and cools the median sea level of the planet rises and falls due to the melting and freezing of the polar caps. When the sea level rises, land areas which are close to the coast and relatively low in altitude are sometimes submerged. This was the case with the land area of the Grand Canyon and is why so many different sedimentary rock layers exist. Each of these was formed by a different period in which the ocean moved in and covered the land, stayed for a while, and then retreated again. Limestone deposits are created when the ocean moves in and slates, shales and mudstone deposits are created when the ocean moves out and the area is covered by silts washing into the retreating ocean. The first article, tells us that fossils formed because the flood quickly covered a dinosaur herd and thats why we got lots of fossils. The second article tells us that there are no fossils, because the fast currents and oxidation would destroy the bones. https://creation.com/Robert-Ballard-did-not-discover-Noahs-Flood This article points to how Robert Ballard did NOT confirm noahs flood, on the same website (creation.com) The rest are related to earth surface, mountains erosions etc. However before we even continue to talk about earths geology we have to realise, what consequence a flood would have. I calculated previously, that the total amount of water had to increase by atleast 215%. Now lets imagine the pressure that would apply on one square meter of the earth, if all the water would press on it . Genesis 7:20 "The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. ". 15 cubits is 6,85 meter. The mount everest is 8 848 m tall. That means 6,85 + 8,848= 8854,85 m. Now lets imagine a 1meter * 1 meter * 8854,85 cuboid. The volume of that cuboid is 1*1*=8854,85 m³. M = 1000kg/m³ * 8854,85 m³ = 8854850 kg. That means that !!one!! square meter of the earth, experienced the pressure of 8854850 kg. We basically had big and heavy mountains pressing on the surface of the earth, everywhere. Such a huge pressure, would leave way more obvious and visible evidence, than what you gave me in your links.
  13. Can you maybe check your first link? I get an error when I click on it ( maybe somethings wrong with me). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog#Life_cycle We can date that frogs are atleast 265 million years old so we can expect similarities. I also found something specific for this species https://www.liquisearch.com/frog/evolution "An early, well-preserved fossil of Sanyanlichan (the frog you send me), which lived 125 million years ago, was found in China in 2001. It had all the characteristics of modern frogs but there were nine presacral vertebrae in its backbone instead of the eight found in present-day species." This fossil shows evolution beautifully. Yes, the ancient frogs and our modern frogs look similiar. However, there are distinct differences. If you kept sending me pictures of frogs, from the Cretaceous Period, until today, then we could see how the amount of vertebrates slowly changes or how other body parts slowly turn into the features of our modern frogs. Excuse me, the other link did not work (for me) so I cant say anything about clams (incase that link was about clams). Please give me the scientific paper of the clam you are talking about. Well, its very easy to conclude that some organs are Vestigial, let me give you a very clear example. Here is a picture of a Kiwi wing. https://adventuresofakiwichick.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/kiwi-wing-moult.jpg These wings are absolutely deformed and useless. They are evolutionary history that is not completly gone yet. These things are absolutely useless and not beneficial to the animal in any way. Thanks for the prayer. Maybe I will believe in what God says one day, however we have to admit that God went through great lengths, to hide his existence or his interference on our planet and the universe. There is absolutely nothing in the universe that points to a God. (except the mystery of the origin of the universe, but even that would only proof to "a god" or "gods" and not yachweh)
  14. Medicine is not a miracle. For example, it would be a total mess if it wasnt for all the pumps sucking blood off the operating area. Its also not a miracle that we had to go through alot of trial and error in medicine ( for example vasectomy). Its not a miracle that medicine is build upon roots of human experimentation or animal experimentation. Lets tell the familiy of the victims that died in that plane crush, that Gods miracle saved one person because he missed his plane and see how they react. http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/08/bumblebee-flight-does-not-violate-the-laws-of-physics/ Here is a link that explains the physics behind bumblebees. Billions of people dont have access to clean drinking water and suffer hunger. Just because we have privilied people living like kings, doesnt mean anything special Okay, what about the 2,5 million europeans, that died last year because of an infection they aquired in a hospital? Does God love you more than other people or why does he care more about your health than other people? Personal experiences dont have any meaning. Full recoveries happen, why should we link it to a miracle? Lets repeat this experiment according to the scientific standards. Thats just personal experience that could very well happen in a world without a God.
  15. The total amount of believers has increased, since there are alot more people on earth now that in the past. It only decreased relatively to the total amount of living people. Is it more important to have more believers, or is it more important to have many believers, relative to the total amount of living humans? Were the mirracles documated? If we can documate and scientficially proof a miracle, we will have a much easier time convincing others of our faith. http://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/global_hunger_statistics/how_many_people_die_from_hunger_each_year Shows that 36 million people die of starvation and 1 billion lives in hunger. https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_from_pollution_each_year . 7 Million die of cancer in a year. 56 million people die of pollution in a year and over a billion doesnt have access to clean drinking water. 1,8 million die in war https://www.who.int/gho/malaria/epidemic/deaths/en/ (If we count in unreported malaria deaths) then over a million people die of malaria in a year. https://www.avert.org/global-hiv-and-aids-statistics 37 million people have aids ( 1,8 million children). http://www.progressive-economy.org/trade_facts/traffic-accidents-kill-1-24-million-people-a-year-worldwide-wars-and-murders-0-44-million/ Traffic accidents 1,2 million. http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2007/08/pollution-causes-40-percent-deaths-worldwide-study-finds 5 million (mostly children) die because of unsanitary conditions. http://sciencenordic.com/25-million-europeans-die-hospital-infections-every-year In europe alone 2,5 million people die because of infection they aquired in hospitals. We could make that list longer but lets stop here for the sake of time. 36 + 7 + 56 + 1,8+ 1 + 37 + 1,8 + 1,2 + 5 + 2,5 = around 150 million. http://www.ecology.com/population-estimates-year-2050/ Shows that in year 0 (170 + 400) / 2 = 285 million people lived. The suffering people that we calculated previously (and I did not even go through every way that a human could suffer) in the year 2019 is around 150 million. Lets assume that we put these suffering humans back to the year 0. 285 million people = 100% then 150 million are 52%. Every second human you would meet in year 0, would have a miserable life filled with pain. I dare to say, that not every second human in the year 0, was suffering death or a miserable life. I also dare to say that we have more suffering humans now than in the year 0. Yes the relative standard of live improved, we have more people that live life like kings. However, the total amount of suffering humans has increased. If there was a time, where we would need the interference of a God, then its now. Progress in science, and the fact that most people live a priviliged life, is not an excuse, for the fact that the total amount of suffering people is bigger than the population of year 0 How has adultery anything to do with the lack of miracles?
  16. Well... If you ever decide to talk about these things, then I would love to hear your opinions. Have a nice day too
  17. Science is what brought us wealth, technology and a good life and its not biblical too. Is it really a bad thing to accept something just because its not biblical? What makes you think that the Bible has any significant value, compared to (for example) the Quran or other religious texts
  18. Do you want to tell us why you do not believe in evolution or neanderthals or believe in the young earth? Nature looks pretty, but is nature really something we want to point to a God? Nature is (most of the time) the least loving enviroment that you can imagine. Survival of the fitest rules over nature. Parasites are one of the most succesful animals. When I was littled I searched the ground for parasitic wasps. These wasps find prey, paralyse them, pull them into a hole and lay an egg inside of them and then burry the insect. They dont kill the prey, so the decay process doesnt start. The egg hatches and the larvae starts to eat the still alive animal from inside, taking good care to not pierce through any vital organ with their sharp mandibles. The prey stays alive, until the damage is too great and then it dies ( this is a very long process). I remember thinking to myself that God must have a very dark side in his character, because designing an organism like that, certainly requires you that have a dark side. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitoid_wasp Well, it was probably mean to assume that you lie and to demand proof. I would probably believe you without proof, that you played music and earned some money doing that. I will believe you even without proof, because musicians are something that I know exist. I saw them on the streets and I saw that they earn money doing that. It doesnt seem like an outlandish claim to me. I would have alot more trouble if you said something that was outlandish. For example, if you told me that you could heal people by playing music, or that bad things will happen to me during life or after I die if I dont listen to your music, then I would start to have doubts and demand for proof. The problem is similiar with genesis or the Bible. It makes very outlandish claims that are hard to believe or accept
  19. Muslims pray ( probably more times a day than most christians) and study (probably the same amout as christians), the Quran. They trust God. Yet they come to completly different conclusion for example that Jesus is not the son of God or that mohammad was a prophet. These conclusions will lead them to hell if christianity is true because they dont accept Jesus as their saviour. In return, if Islam is true all christians will go to hell because they rejected prophet mohammad and the quran. Islam will also outgrow christianity in the next 50-100 years. Examples like that, show that praying and studying your holy texts is not enough to find the truth. We have to look for the truth, outside of our religious texts, or we will simply be stuck in the lie that we are born in. The fact that these questions are asked times and times again only proves that noone was able to answer them yet, and that also tells us alot. The Quran and other religion books do the same. Why should we put the bible above the Quran or other religious books? Until we establish thhat the bible is true, we have to consider the hypothesis that christianity is a false religion, a smokescreen that distracts from the true faith. A God could easily inspire a book, that helps us understand something that we cant see, in this example the colour green. What we refer to as the visible light is a product of different frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum. The colour green has a wavelength of 495-570 nm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green We are not limited to our sight, we have discovered parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that we cant even see. Saying that we need to study instead of reading the bible, reminds me alot about the time, where I asked questions about the cruelty or "mistakes" in the Quran. The answer was that the Quran was written in a different time, for other people, and that I have to properly study and understand it and not just read it. Ill come back to the original thread question "christianity vs other religions". Why put the bible above other religious texts?
  20. What do you mean no transitional fossils? Every fossil is a transitional fossil and we are all transitional animals. Evolution never stands still. Can you send me your reference about the clam? Its very unlikely in my opinion that an animal that lived 4,5 billion years ago is now exactly as it was in the past. We have a very sophisticated fossil record and tons of evidence for evolution. The evidence is that our bodies are made of chemical elements. Our parents take the chemical elements and we are basically build from them. Nerve tissue is fairly expensive and there is no advantage in having more than necesarry. There is no advantage in having a longer laryngeal nerve. We observe alot of Vestigiality. Some things are inefficient, some things dont work at all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality
  21. How do you know the nature of God and that he is not nonsensical? 99.9% of all life forms that ever lived went exinct. Is it nonsensical to make life forms just to let them die off again? If genesis was true, then God went through the trouble, to make it look like we went through evolution and that we descendend from animals, just to fool around with us. What about the laryngeal nerve in mammals that is unnecesarry long, wasting important and expensive nerve tissue. The nerve makes a loop around our aoritc arch for noooo reason. Imagine how much nerve tissue is wasted in animals with a long neck for example giraffes. Based on our observations, can we really say that God is not nonsensical? Recurrent laryngeal nerve How do you know that its impossible for God to lie? Is the reason, why you think that God cant lie, good enough to convince others? If its not good enough to convince others, why is it good enough for you?
  22. If thats true, then every human that doesnt believe in God is corrupt, does abominable deeds, and does no good. However, is that really true? How do you explain that countries, that are mostly atheistic are doing so much better? Why is the rape/crime rate in mostly atheistic countries like japan or sweden so much lower than in more religious countries like the USA, or Nigeria? Why is the biggest private charity organisation, the Bill and Melinda foundation, launched by atheists? Why are so many scientists, people that spend their whole lifes trying to progress the knowledge of mankind bad? We have lots of examples of atheists that are not corrupt, that dont do abominable deeds and that do lots of good things. Judging people based on their faith, or in this case rejection of faith, is something that is very evil. If anyone judged all christians, the way that atheists are judged in PSA 14:1, then they would probably be banned from this website. If I made a poster on the streets, with the exact same verse, but replaced "fool" with "christian" and "no god" with "a god" then people would protest, insult me, probably tear the poster down when noones looking. Why are double standards tolerated? [EDIT: Why are some of the smartest people on earth atheist? Can we really call people that dont think that there is a God fools? Why does faith decline, the more educated a society is?]
  23. It doesnt make sense, for everything to be possible. If God made an unstoppable force and an unmoveable object.. what would happen? Could the unstoppable force move the object? then its not an unmovable object. Could the unmoveable object stop an unstoppable force? Then the force is not unstoppable. If God cant make both things at the same time, then hes not omnipotent and not everythings possible for him, so even God is bound to limitations, if we assume that the same laws of logic apply to God. Even if we assume that its possible for God to do illogical things in the place he is right now(seems to be outside our universe, and we dont know what laws of logic/physics apply there) we can still try to assume what would be possible for God if he was inside of our universe. Inside of our universe, its impossible for everything to be possible. If its not something that can convince me, why does it convince you?
  24. Do you have a better explanation than dark matter? Do you have any convincing reason to believe that anythings possible for God and that Adam walked with God? There are thousands of religions. Just saying that its a hypothesis and that we only find out the truth when we die, means that religion is mostly a huge waste of time during our limited time on earth. If religion is true, then its a very serious matter because our afterlife depends on it, so we have to try to find the truth.
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