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  1. That actually is an excellent question. I believe since He knew beforehand, that basically at any given time in the history of mankind, only 10/15% of the Earth's population would actually believe in Him and serve Him as their Lord and Savior...the answer would have to be "YES!!" Knowing this, He still spoke everything into existence, including His own path to the Cross for our Redemption and Salvation. Yes, He did die for Everyone who will ever be an egg and seed becoming a zygote in a mother's womb. But He literally ran to the Cross, for those of us who would not deny Him and accept Him as our personal Lord and Savior. When it's all said and done, basically 45 Billion people will have denied Him and His existence, while only 5 billion (if that) will have invited Him into their hearts and lives. And this all began, by Him picking a single group of people out to call His own. And had He not made provision to allow the Gentiles in, that 5 Billion who have accepted Him, would be more like 50 million. And even at 50 million out of 50 Billion, He still would have ran to the Cross for them!! I would therefore conclude, that to Him, it has been worth it. And we are talking about a God (that if the "GAP Theory" is correct), has destroyed His Creation at least once, and possibly twice, if the Hebrew is correct and Genesis 1:1 actually meant a completed Earth with life of all forms existing on it!! He even repented for Creating humanity!! So somewhere within the mind of God, He has reasoned and believed it has been "Worth It."..
  2. Amen!! And I absolutely believe if we truly are Saved and born again, we can NEVER lose our Salvation. (1) God will never leave us (2) Someone truly Saved and born again will never leave God But twice we received from God in way of the Commandments and His Prayer. These were important enough for God to PERSONALLy give them to us each time. In my opinion, He wants us not only to observe them, but to obey and follow them!!
  3. First of all, your original scripture referenced to WHO was able to "Open the Book." Yeshua is the ONLY ONE able to open any of the Books plus I specified some of the Books. But I should have also mentioned the Book held by the 7 seals. I find it interesting that you are a Pre-Tribber and still believe the "Wrath of God" begins AFTER the Tribulation ends, which is correct. But the typical Pre-Tribber believes the Wrath of God is the Tribulation, which technically is the Wrath of the Adversary. Your scripture reference Revelation 7: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. ^which SPECIFIES 144,000 of ALL the Tribes of Israel = 12 tribes times 12,000 persons from each tribe = a grand total of 144,000 persons DOES NOT MATCH what the Angel tells John in verse 9 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Verse (4) SPECIFIES 144,000 Jews Verse (9) is a GREAT MULTITUDE no one could count (you obviously can count 144,000, but not the people the Angel is discussing in verse 9) Verse (4) = Jews Verse (9) = Great Multitude that can't be counted = of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues (this clearly is not the 12 Tribes because it SPECIFIES all nations (Gentile Nations), all kindreds (More than the Jews = Gentiles like you and me), and people (More than the Jews = Gentiles like you and me), and tongues (More than just Hebrew/Yiddish but EVERY LANGUAGE of the Gentile speaking people). Who are the people Verse 9 speaks about? 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Verse 9 clearly IS NOT the 144,000 because we can count that number. Verse 9 is answered in Verse 14 = Saints of the Great Tribulation (and we know those people are GENTILES = the Church/the Bride) And Chapter 20 is about the Beheaded Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Knowing just that much, makes it even clearer and obvious that WE ARE GOING THROUGH the TRIBULATION. You put a lot of emphasis on the 144,000. You do know that amount of people is not even enough to fill a town just bigger than a farm community. And you act like it's a great number. That is about 20,000 more people than you find in a National Football league game/even some college football stadiums, or the NCAA Basketball tourney. And stressing the 144k like you do, puts me in mind of the Jehova Witnesses. I believe you have built a case for Pre-Trib by misusing scripture, which is typical for the average Pre-Tribber, no matter their Denomination or beliefs.
  4. Yeshua, being the Person of God, knew the Cross was ahead of Him. The Lord's prayer has nothing to do with the Law or with Grace, much like the 10 Commandments, do not have relationship to the Law or Grace. And we should always abide by them, especially the ones that Yeshua redefined.
  5. That's a good enough answer for me!! On a side note: Have you ever read or heard where the idea of the parable of Lazarus and the rich man was an add in? I found this floating around from actual renowned Biblical Scholars whose jobs included dating Papyrus. And they claimed, there are some versions of Luke that do not include this"parable."
  6. The first part: Acts 19: 13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. These men were NOT SAVED and unable to actually cast the demon out using Yeshua's Name, but in return took a beat down from the evil spirit!! the second part: Yeshua taught in the Lord's Prayer, that God DOES NOT FORGIVE US unless we first have forgiven those who have sinned against us: Matthew 6: 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. the third part: I pray God keeps and blesses you in your travels, while you are sharing the Good Word of our Lord and Savior!!
  7. Thank You, I like that!! It is hard to imagine that the other 3, especially John, since he was the "Beloved Disciple," would not have mentioned Lazarus and the rich man. The other 2, 1 being Mark, wrote down the accounts from Peter's perspective (which seems Peter would have included Lazarus and the rich man). Definitely is a mystery!! And I would not be shocked to eventually learn in Heaven, that it never actually happened. But that it was a good story preached in those days, and added by those monks, whose job was copying the Bible to make more Bibles.
  8. I am not disagreeing here with you, I just prefer to break it down completely: Like I mentioned from Genesis 6:3 "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man..." The Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit (like we have our own personal spirit) of Elohim, which is Yeshua (Yeshua [I AM] told Moses that He was ELOHIM). So technically the Holy Spirit is not Yeshua, but it is His personal Spirit. In a roundabout way, you are on the right path concerning Yeshua and the Holy Spirit. You just don't break it completely down to the Holy Spirit being the personal Spirit of Yeshua, WHO IS [both I AM & ELOHIM + Yahweh]!! In John 14: 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast [[thou not known me]], Philip? he that (([[hath seen me hath seen the Father]])); and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Technically, you are absolutely correct, that if the Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit of Yeshua...and the Holy Spirit lives inside of us, then Yeshua lives inside of us!!
  9. First of all, like I mentioned in my beginning post on this thread just (4 posts above this one), there are no scripture references to literally comply with the Pre-Trib False Doctrine: my posts refuting Pre-Trib scripture: *** One of the scriptures Pre-Tribbers use, are the scriptures describing the Second Coming. And I love how they use Paul in 1 Thessalonians. The verses before the infamous Paul describing how we that are alive [[REMAIN]] until Yeshua comes for us, specifically reveal, "the Church in Thessalonica asking Paul if they would ever see their dead family and friends who were believers and had died." And Paul properly answered them. + The verse they use in Luke, is the answer to the verses before speaking about surviving the snares and traps of this world. And somehow the snares and traps like alcoholism and addiction equate to the 7 year Tribulation for them. *** And Revelation scriptures are even easier to refute and all prove the Second Coming, not the magical second (pre-trib) before 7 years later the incorrect third coming... With that in mind, that leaves both the Saints who are saved through Yeshua and the Saints who will be saved during the Tribulation. Revelation makes this clear the number of Tribulation Saints are so great in number (MULTITUDE) that John was unable to count them + the Angel specifically told John these Saints are from EVERY known language, every known tribe, every known clan, every known kin...in other words...the Gentile Saved + the Jews to be Saved.......Because Revelation 20 then reveals the "Beheaded Saved." And Revelation 12 makes it clear that the antichrist will attack the Jews when they realize he is not their Messiah (mostly because he will stop the "Daily Sacrifice like Daniel 12 refers to). But, Revelation 13:7 is specific that the antichrist will have authority and power to make war on the SAINTS (Gentile + convert Jews) at any given time + will overcome them (be able to defeat them like the Two Witnesses). In my "opinion," only a few Gentile Saved will fall under this category and I am not talking about being Beheaded (except for those who believe the Pre-Trib and get suckered into believing the antichrist is the Second Coming (Pre-Trib) Messiah coming for them)(I feel they are just that ignorant, since they believe in such a stupid theory, brought to us by a literal heretic that has no factual scripture reference to stand on). That does leave us with the remaining Gentile Saved. The Book "Ascension of Isaiah" (Scholars believe should had been a part of our current Canon), has a few verses in it that I think best explains what the Gentile saved will be doing: the antichrist: 4. This ruler in the form of that king will come and there will come and there will come with him all the powers of this world, and they will hearken unto him in all that he desires. 5. And at his word the sun will rise at night and he will make the moon to appear at the sixth hour. 6. And all that he hath desired he will do in the world: he will do and speak like the Beloved and he will say: "I am God and before me there has been none." the Pre-Trib Saints that are deceived: 13 (a) And many believers and saints having seen Him for whom they were hoping was crucified Yeshua (these will be DECEIVED believing the antichrist is the Pre-Trib Messiah and be like Revelation 13:7 claims, war between Saints vs antichrist and antichrist wins, + the possibility of them being Beheaded)... the Believers (Saints/Elect) (not fooled into believing the False Doctrine of Pre-Trib): 13 (b) ...and those also who were believers in Him (Yeshua) - of these (Gentile Saints) in those days (7 year Tribulation) will be left as His (Yeshua) servants , while they flee from desert to desert, awaiting the coming of the Beloved (Yeshua returns after Tribuation ends). A side note here: I believe Yeshua will protect us (those not fooled by the False Doctrine of Pre-Trib and be DECEIVED when the antichrist comes) (Yeshua will make us invisible/hard to locate to those searching for us) going through the Tribulation. I even can believe, since it will be impossible to buy food and grow food (we will not take the "Mark" obviously because we won't be found and forced to choose between the Mark and Beheading), that Yeshua might provide us with "Manna" like He did for the Hebrews who He brought out of Egypt. That also then leaves the question, WILL the Holy Spirit be present during the Tribulation? Pre-Tribbers preach "NO!!" But, had they stopped to think for a moment, they would understand, that the TWO WITNESSES for first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation will also do great wonders and miracles. They won't be doing these great wonders and miracles by their own power. It will be by the Power of the Holy Spirit!! So YES, the Holy Spirit will be present during the Tribulation!! (...and is another indication that the "Bride" will also be here during the Tribulation)... Which is why I can believe that God will keep us hidden and feed us possibly with "Manna."
  10. First of all, there are only 2 types of Books, the ONE Book is the Lamb's Book of life which ONLY the Lamb could take (your verse 8)(and that is speaking about JUDGEMENT which comes after Tribulation and the 1,000 year reign). The other Books (the Books) represent those destined for the Lake of Fire. Therefore, I believe Revelation 13: (7) And it was given unto him (([[to make war with the saints]])), and to overcome them: sums it up pretty well. This specifies the antichrist will be able to make war with the Saints and to overcome them. Verse 7 clearly is not speaking about refusing the "MARK" and being beheaded, but about being able to confront real Saints that are saved and to overcome them. The best example is the antichrist being able to kill the Two Witnesses. But nonetheless, this proves this can only take place during the Tribulation, not prior nor afterward. Now, from Matthew 24 and Revelation 7 we know the Saints gathered at the end of Tribulation amounted to a number so great it could not be numbered. Therefore, the Saints mentioned most likely are those immediately in the vicinity of the antichrist when he comes onto the scene, and a second scenario when the Jews figure him out around mid-trib when he stops "Daily Sacrifice." But there are no scripture references to factually verify a Pre-Trib. That is clearly a False Doctrine, introduced by what has been perceived to be from a heretic!!
  11. Indeed, Preachers have been hammering this could be the "End" on events to like the Book (88 reasons God will return in 1988), the Y2K where technology was supposed to crash and burn and the Apocalypse would begin from it, George Bush I Desert Storm in Iraq, George Bush II debacle that led us to both Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama's continuation of Afghanistan, and of course this election of a President with no experience in politics (Trump)(who did bring us closer with his acknowledgement of Jerusalem being the Capital of Israel). But I would definitely believe we are closer to it than ever before. And not just because as each day passes, it naturally gets us closer. But because so many prophecies have actually been fulfilled, and Israel has been ready for the past couple years to begin reconstructing their Temple and getting back to "Daily Sacrifice." Which we know from Daniel Chapter 12, when the antichrist stops Daily Sacrifice, Israel will know they have been duped and that Yeshua was their Messiah all along.
  12. I normally would agree, and to a certain point still am agreeing. There are solid scriptures to back this claim for us to hold onto this promise. And then we have examples of what the Apostles (except John) went through and became martyrs. But that is not really the thought behind what I posted. God is definitely going to allow the antichrist to battle some Believers (could end up being beheaded and possibly a few killed in other ways) like verse 7 seems to elude to. What I mostly fall back on, is the fact that God is going to allow after 3 1/2 years of great miracles and no reason behind the ability to protect themselves, the Two Witnesses, will be killed by the antichrist. With that being said, I truly believe the bulk majority of the Believers will be hidden for most of the Tribulation. Out in the middle of the deserts or deep in the woods and mountains. Will most likely be communities. And I believe God will provide protection (keeping us hid) and provide the necessities to survive on. We very well could see a glimpse of the manna the Hebrews experienced in their desert and wilderness.
  13. Hey Brother, just believe that you are saved. If you prayed and sincerely asked God to forgive you, God will never deny anyone that privilege and honor to become one of His own. From then on, just BELIEVE that He saved you. You will soon feel it and know it. But I assure you, if you sincerely asked God to forgive you and to be your Savior, YOU are saved this very moment!!
  14. Revelation 12:11 is an AWESOME VERSE!! The moment we see the antichrist, we will not hesitate to go to war with him even knowing we will be killed in battle!! Of course, not every Saint will be at the location when the antichrist comes onto the scene. It will be the duty of those alive and remaining to warn people about the coming "Mark." Even a simple warning could lead to them choosing to be beheaded rather than to take the Mark. So many responsibilities for the Saints during the Tribulation, you just never know which one will fall upon you until that moment arrives.
  15. I love having access to the actual Greek Translation of what John actually wrote and it being verified by the Latin Vulgate: Greek Version Revelation 13: 7 And to it was given to do battle with the saints and to conquer them. Latin Vulgate version Revelation 13: 7 et datum est illi bellum facere cum sanctis et vincere illos et data est ei potestas in omnem tribum et populum et linguam et gentem And it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. What is AMAZING, is that the KJV also verifies both the Greek and Latin Vulgate!! KJV Revelation 13: 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: From these 3 versions, it appears the SAINTS will be here during the Tribulation!!
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