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(1) The rapture theory, comes from what we read in the English version. I believe the rapture theory is an English theory. The English speaking nations haven't really suffered for their beliefs. That kind of leads me to believe, the rapture theory is the hope to keep from ever having to suffer. (2) I believe when I use this KJV Revelation 20:4, and the Greek Revelation 5:10, they kind of mesh and fill in the blanks. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. ^ this is the beheaded and they reign with Yeshua for a 1,000 years. 10 Thou dost also make them a kingdom and a priesthood for our God, And they shall be reigning on the earth." ^this mentions these are the ones reigning on earth. We know it is for 1,000 years with Yeshua. Verse 4 and 10 really seem to be insync with one another. So, to answer your question, I believe it speaks of the Beheaded. (3) Are you talking about the "Key of David," which is the king of Babylon known as Nebuchadrezzar. And Prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah speak of him and Daniel: Daniel 2:35 The feet are the two branches from whence the ten toes come. "the Parable of the Fig Tree" What about Nebuchadrezzar?

Do you agree the Apostles Peter, Timothy, and Paul...including Paul's letters Baptized in the Name of Yeshua in the Book of Acts and the rest of the New Testament? It is what the Greek Papyrus claims, that is 1600 years older than your KJV. I therefore propose this question: If the Apostles Baptized in Name of Yeshua. Wouldn't it be logical they were following what the original passage of Matthew 28:19 claims, "In the Name of Yeshua?" And Paul claimed, he DID NOTHING, WROTE NOTHING, SPOKE NOTHING and that it was ALL YESHUA GUIDING HIM!! We see Paul Baptize in Name of Yeshua. If Yeshua is GUIDING PAUL, and Paul Baptized in Name of Yeshua, that would make Yeshua a DOUBLE MINDED GOD ((if)) He actually did instruct to Baptize in the Trinity. It's clear that Yeshua is not DOUBLE MINDED!! Just as clear that Matthew 28:19 was changed like the proofs I offered. Because Yeshua would not instruct His Disciples to Baptize 1 way and the Disciples as Apostles Baptized differently. The same with Paul, Yeshua instructed Paul to Baptize in Yeshua's Name like Paul claimed Yeshua was GUIDING HIM. They clearly OBEYED YESHUA!! But they could ONLY have obeyed, if Matthew 28:19 ORIGINALLY said, to Baptize in Yeshua's Name!!

I never knew that. Thank You for sharing that. I know I am related from my Grandmother's side (Peirson's), but actually never studied the origin of the Marsh name.

The atheist has every right to question who we claim our God is. They have every right to question why we believe in a God that no one can physically see, hear, interact with at this junction of existence. They have every right to propose their own theories and use science so Believers have to use the Holy Spirit to guide them in response. Over the years, I have seen atheist literally tear up those claiming to be Christians because the majority of Christians DO NOT HAVE God knowledge, they have man made knowledge passed down ignorantly from the pulpit. I like to go and read and witness these Believers getting their ideologies handed to them. Serves them right for taking a ministers word for it and for not being a student of God by studying themselves. When someone actually has real answers to offer the atheist, this is when you see God moving. When they have man made answers to offer, this is when you see the wheat being separated. If those who mod feel it's best to protect some believers that is fine, but having your behind handed to you once in awhile can be a very good thing. I get tired of this Christian belief of SISSIES, Yeshua took on the Pharisees and NEVER backed down. He is our example. If You choose to follow God, you better GROW A BACKBONE or run and believe something else. Because we are to be TRIED and put through the FIRE!! And the atheist are a great warm-up to the outside world!!

AMEN!! The moment I read/hear someone exclaiming the Pre-Trib theory, is the very moment I understand that I am looking at a COWARD!!

It's actually called the WRATH of Satan: Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. The other WRATHS mentioned in Revelation, pertain to the coming, Armageddon, Armageddon, and Judgement sending those to the Lake of Fire. And if we speak of Yeshua being the SAME yesterday, today, and tomorrow...we must not forget that Yeshua went through His own Tribulation that ended at the Cross, He allowed EVERY Apostle but one to be tortured, beaten, and eventually brutally murdered. Then from the Book of Acts to the 1st/2nd Centuries, Yeshua allowed numerous Believers to be done the same as the Apostles (we call them Martyrs). Even today, OUTSIDE of the USA, thousands of people have been brutally murdered for believing in God and not following their nation's religion. The USA will get their day coming!! But nevertheless, Yeshua has allowed His followers to be brutally tortured, beaten, and murdered. And if He remains the SAME, Tribulation won't be very much fun for many believers. How fair would it be to yank 1/3 of the worlds population and DO SOMETHING He [[has NEVER]] done before? The moment I hear someone preach Pre-Trib, I automatically see a COWARD!!

Indeed, and why I believe that God will keep us hidden even if we are in plain sight. And the beheaded, appear to be those who weren't really saved to begin with. It gives you the imagination of people who have heard the Gospel, thought they had time to live before choosing God, and a sudden realization takes place when they are confronted with 2 options (take the Mark or be beheaded). Obviously, the power and miraculous things we read the 2 Olive Branches (2 Witnesses) have and possess come only from the Holy Spirit. That means the Holy Spirit will be here during the Tribulation. Which is a very good indicator, that the majority of believers today, would also be in the Tribulation if it began very soon. And that means, we still need to do our best to bring the lost to God.

Why? Wouldn't you be much more help being under the radar and trying to witness to those who need God? I would think it would be difficult to lead someone to Christ, with no head attached to their shoulders!! But that is just me...

Wow, they sound kind of narcissistic, which are very toxic types of people. Do they have an issue with you believing in God?

Indeed, I definitely enjoy learning other people's views from their perspective of our Lord and Savior. I can sometimes put things out there that does require the patience of the reader. But my intentions are never to cause harm or ill will. So when I see someone offended or believe they could be, I want to make it right as soon as I possibly can. Thank You for understanding and accepting my apology!! Rich

Thank You!! I am wrong a lot, even though I believe what I do until proven wrong. But I have no issue to ever admit that I am wrong, when it does happen. I can thank that on having a good foundation of Grandparents, parents, uncles and aunts all grounded in the Lord!!

My bad!! From the scripture reference you gave, when discussing with the other poster, it appeared to seem sketch. But now that you explained, I see that I was incorrect and wrong. I do apologize for that, and hope you understand it was a complete misunderstanding!!

That is a very good question. I believe outside of the Two Witnesses, the ones actually martyred would be the Beheaded. But they are mentioned in Revelation 20, not Revelation 7 speaking about the great multitude. And Revelation 7 does not claim these Tribulations Saints were even killed, let alone martyred... Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. ^ These Saints survived the Tribulation...according to verse 9, it's a great multitude that cannot even be numbered. The Beheaded: Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received hismark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Ummm, THOSE ARE NOT BELIEVERS!! Look at verse 15 and 16 specifically: 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Why would BELIEVERS tell the MOUNTAINS and ROCKS to FALL ON THEM and HIDE THEM from the WRATH of GOD? ***Someone obviously is CHERRY PICKING SCRIPTURE, and doing a horrible job at it!!*** Revelation 6: 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Hey Daniel Marsh, Marsh is a unique name. There is a family where I come from who owns several grocery stores called "Marsh." You are not related to them by any chance? If so, then you are related to me hahahahahaha