Jonathan Dane

The ones who resurrect to shame and reproach are unbelievers. And yes, they resurrect AFTER the Millennium at the Great White Throne judgment and are cast into the Lake of Fire. As I told you before, I will attempt to manicure what is on the reservation. However, I refuse to go beyond the reservation into the weeds of the wild, where folks like yourself with private interpretations roam. Here is what I suggest: Find a local church and submit yourself to the leadership of that church as Scripture commands. I can guarantee there is not an elder board that aligns with your novel theology. I have zero interest in getting into the weeds with you. I will no longer respond to your comments.

Daniel regards HIS people, the Jews. The Church, as Paul stated, was a mystery in OT times. Besides, Daniel does not reveal all details concerning the Resurrection, as indicated in the next chapter when God commands him to seal the book. The fact is, there is a 1000-year period between the Resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, as clear from Revelation 20-22.

"The law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void" (Galatians 3:17). The "promise" is not conditioned insofar as it can be made void. Jeremiah 31 states that God will remove Israel's heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh. When that happens, Israel will be restored to their land along with all other promises made to them by God.

I never suggested he didn't. The issue had to do with the Rapture passage in 1 Thess. 4. There is no mention of the Antichrist whatsoever in that passage.

LOL By quoting not only a separate passage but a separate book? Yep, indirect—I guess so.

Says who? Here's a list of the world's largest empires. If you scroll down to the Timeline of the largest empires at the time, you see that Rome was the largest from 250 to 300 A.D. Prior to 250, only China was larger. We're talking about the Western and Middle Eastern biblical world that involved Daniel's people, THE JEWS, not the Far East. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires Besides, I didn't say it was the largest or "the best," whatever the heck that means. LOL. I said it was "larger than its predecessors."

...one you would do well to read. Regards to you

Correct about Gog and Magog. (I ironically corrected that in my book revision.) However, my point had to do with Islam. I believe that many Muslims may come to faith in Christ after God miraculously intercedes on the side of Israel. (That may be hopeful speculation on my part.) That battle also may be the catalyst the Antichrist uses to step in to broker a covenant between Israel and her surrounding neighbors. To suggest that Israel was not destroyed in 70 A.D. is ridiculous. That flies in the face of Jesus's prophecy that not one stone of the temple would be left standing. History tells us that the fire was so hot that the gold melted and poured down between the cracks of the stones. The Roman soldiers literally turned over every stone of the temple to get to the gold. Saying that Jerusalem was not destroyed because the section of the wall was left standing is like saying that the World Trade Center was not destroyed because a section of the metal pilings was left standing. If that is the apologetic for Islamic End-time Theory, neither does it have more than a few tattered pilings left standing. Daniel did not mention the "name" Rome. However - given that Rome came on the heels of and conquered the third beast, Greece -given that Rome was more terrifying, powerful, and larger than its predecessors - given that Rome both nailed Jesus to the cross and destroyed Israel in 70 AD Rome is the natural deduction.

"God's promises are all conditional." Absolutely 100% false. "the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void." (Gal. 3:17)

You might be surprised by what I know.

Isa. 31: 5 & 8 - You assume those verses are a future prophecy. Now for a history lesson. 32“Therefore thus says the LORD concerning the king of Assyria: He shall not come into this city or shoot an arrow there, or come before it with a shield or cast up a siege mound against it. 33By the way that he came, by the same he shall return, and he shall not come into this city, declares the LORD. 34For I will defend this city to save it, for my own sake and for the sake of my servant David.” 35And that night the angel of the LORD went out and struck down 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians. And when people arose early in the morning, behold, these were all dead bodies. (2 Kings 19:32_35) Dan. 11: 35 – 43 - I believe you said this was "the Ancient Assyrian Empire." It is not. The previous section depicts the empire of Greece centuries later, a much larger geographic area. I don't deny that this section refers to the time of the end. I exegete all related passages of Daniel in my book, including this one. There will be a time when Donald Trump will be in the role of the Antichrist. At such a time, he will be the target of both the King of the North and the South, as the verses below show. Daniel 11:40-41 is translated like this in the NASB: 40“At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries (the countries of the North and South), overwhelm them, and pass through. 41He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon (the Northen countries). 42He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt (the Southern country) shall not escape. (Parenthesis added) These verses depict a battle between the Kings of the North and South against the Antichrist. (John MacArthur confirms this interpretation in his study Bible, by the way.) MC) "And did you know that the city of Babylon is being built again." JD) Did you know that Donald Trump twice tried to build the tallest building in the world and that investors who saw Trump's model described it as the Tower of Babel? https://www.6sqft.com/trumps-flubs-the-donalds-three-failed-attempts-to-erect-the-worlds-tallest-building-in-nyc/ MC) Dan. 7: 8. The description of the terrifying beast fits Islam. JD) Below is an excerpt from my book: Antichrist a Muslim? Another form of prophetic interpretation, Islamic End Time Theory, has been made recently popular by Joel Richardson’s 2012 book Mideast Beast. Richardson’s premise is tied to the final beast prophecy in Daniel chapter seven that describes the end-times kingdom under the Antichrist. According to Richardson, the fourth beast is an Islamic kingdom ruled by an Islamic Antichrist, considered by Muslims as the Mahdi. The strength of this view lies in its answer to the problem of radical Islamic terrorism, the goal of which is to create a one-world Islamic Kingdom organized under Sharia Law. As ISIS spreads its campaign of terror and torture across the Middle East, events, such as the beheading of saints, appear to parallel biblical prophecies. Since the beginning of my studies of prophecy, I have wondered where Islam fits into biblical prophecy. Scripture lacks any detail of historical developments, as in the discovery of America or the religion of Islam. (Portions of Scripture, such as Isaiah 5:26-30 and Revelation 18, may refer to America but do not allow certainty.) Interpretation of Scripture requires careful avoidance of eisegesis—the imposition of an already-formed conclusion onto a text. Conversely, proper interpretation employs the use of exegesis, which draws the meaning from the text. Simply put, the meaning of a text must originate from its context and not attempt to support a pretext. While Scriptures may have multiple applications and even double fulfillment, a given passage only has one correct interpretation or meaning. Many thematic and conclusory elements in this book were drawn from a systematic study of several scriptural passages. Although a single text may not fully support a conclusion, it does not necessarily render the hermeneutic eisegesis. I will concede that Radical Islam is a significant evil and a plague on society. But Islamic End Time Theory puts the cart before the horse, artificially imposing an Islamic narrative on a book whose paradigm is, in point of fact, Hebrew, something akin to amillennialists’ mistake of forcing a Gentile perspective onto the Bible. Rise of the Little Horn has, as its purpose, the setting forth of a system of belief, rather than a refutation of other systems, which themselves may or may not have merit. Accordingly, I will only briefly list my reservations regarding Islamic End Time Theory. • Daniel’s visions are not of monotheistic, theocratic kingdoms. Yet, conversely, Islamic Sharia Law is both monotheistic and theocratic. • The ten-toed, or ten-horned kingdom, of Daniel clearly arises towards the end of the age, just prior to the return of Christ (see Daniel 2:42-44). Conversely, Islam has been around for centuries. • According to Daniel 2, the ten-pronged kingdom will arise from the same governments or territories which made up the ancient Roman Empire. Daniel 7 depicts these horns on the head of a Roman beast. Yet Islam did not come from the Roman Empire but from Arabia, most of which fell outside the Roman Empire. Currently, Europe is less than 10% Muslim. • According to Daniel 9:26, the people of the prince that shall come will destroy Jerusalem, an event which occurred in 70 A.D. at the hands of the Romans, hundreds of years before Islam even existed. The “prince that shall come” is the Antichrist, who will stem from a Revived Roman Empire, not Islam. • A Muslim Antichrist is untenable given Daniel 11:37’s assertion that he will not honor the gods (plural) of his fathers—Islam is monotheistic. • Suggesting that the Antichrist will come from an Islamic Kingdom begs the question: Which one? Islam does not have a single cohesive Islamic Kingdom. Most battles in the Middle East involve Muslims fighting Muslims. • In I John 2:19, the apostle John clearly states that antichrists are those who “went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us,” i.e., they are “pretend” (fake) Christians. The “us” in that passage refers to believers and the “they” to “make”-believers. Therefore, the Antichrist cannot be a Muslim (nor an unredeemed Jew, for that matter). The above, notwithstanding, I do believe that Islam will play a significant role in the end times. Israel’s peace treaty with the Antichrist will seek to guarantee peace with her Muslim neighbors. Furthermore, Israel will be opposed by an alliance of Russian and Muslim nations in the War of Gog and Magog either prior to or near the onset of the Tribulation Period. This war is described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 and should not be confused with the battle by the same name described in Revelation 20, which occurs following Christ’s thousand-year reign—the millennium. In the former war, the Lord will intervene, decimating Russia’s armies along with the Islamic nations participating in the alliance. To what extent this permanently cripples Radical Islam remains to be seen. (RISE OF THE LITTLE HORN, p. 257-258)

Your interpretation effectively robs Daniel of a prophecy that was fulfilled in 70 A.D. "And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war." (Daniel 9:26) The "people of the prince" who destroyed the temple were the Romans in 70 A.D. There is no indication in all of Scripture whatsoever of a Muslim or even an Arab confederation "destroying the temple." In fact, I am aware of no Scripture that indicates the third (Tribulation) temple will be destoruyed at all. Yes, it will be desecrated by the Antichrist. Ezekiel 38 and 39 depict a federation of Arab nations led by presumably Russia and Iran. But they are IMMEDIATELY wiped out by God in an instant. Muslims destroying the temple is an invention out of whole cloth. There is not one verse that supports it. And by the way, Zechariah 14:2 does NOT indicate that Jerusalem will be destroyed. Attacked? Yes. Destroyed? No.

744: At the time of the total destruction of Israel in 70 AD, this “little horn” was found to be coming out of the 4th beast kingdom ON THE HEELS OF THE 10 horns. Meaning, they were at the bottom of the growing church. They represented those Gentiles that would come to accept Jesus as their Lird and Savior (only some 400 years later, this same church would be taken over by these Gentiles. JD: I'm sorry, that is the most bizarre interpretation I have ever heard—no offense. I'll ask you what I asked Shilohsfoal. Can you name one scholar or seminary that shares that view? It is SO FAR off the reservation I don't know where to begin. I'm tapping out here.

Yes, he does go by the title of The Assyrian. He also goes by the title of The King of Babylon, The King of Tyre, the prince of Israel, and the Prince to come (Rome). King Herod was the king of Israel. What was his nationality? He was an Edomite. Abraham was the Father of Israel. Where was he from? Ur of Chaldea. And where was Moses born? In Egypt. You are making a fundamental error by forcing details concerning Old Testament "types" of the Antichrist onto their anti-type— THE Antichrist. Moses was also a type of Christ (Deut 18:15). Does that mean Christ would be born in Egypt? Moses was also a murderer. Does that mean that Christ will also be a murderer? The typology concerning "The Assyrian" does not require the end-time Antichrist to be native to Assyria any more than it does he be from Babylon, Tyre, Israel, or Rome (Daniel 9:26). Will he have some association with those places? Yes, but not necessarily native to them. Incidentally, do you know where the Assyrians are said to have migrated? To an area in Germany where Donald Trump's ancestors lived. How about that? Isa 31:8: Its primary application is historical when Babylon conquered Assyria in the 6th century B.C. Micah 5:5: There are direct prophetic implications. But it does not demand that he be native to the geographical location. Daniel 11:35-45: Says nothing about him coming from "the Ancient Assyrian Empire." In fact, the (historical) Little Horn is Antiochus Epiphanes, who ruled in the Seleucid Dynasty (Greece), a forerunner to the end-time Little Horn, the Antichrist. Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12: Neither passage says anything about an Islamic Federation. Islam is a religion, not a "kingdom." When someone suggests an Islamic Kingdom, my first question is, "Which one? Most of the fighting in the world is between Muslims and Muslims. God called Ishmael's descendants "donkeys." But indeed, the Antichrist rules the world for a short time. And Donald Trump is on his way. And America, with the help of people like Elon Musk, is the likeliest platform to launch such aspirations.

"And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." (Daniel 9:26) Three questions: 1.) Who are the "people of the prince?" 2.) Who is this "prince to come?" 3.) Is it possible that the people and the prince are separated by a distance of time?