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About Nadjeschda

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  1. When I had strong pain I felt how the lower parts of my instincts and flesh separated from my consciousness. It was awesome, I had no fear anymore and no anger. But of course science explains this as an emergency process and takes all the wonder away leaving the people feeling only broken an traumatized.
  2. Thanks for mentioning the stoic tradition. I was not aware of the connection but you are right. Than when I watched a super heroe movie I was so surprised of the superficiality: they are always funny and they are always cool even in life threatening situations. If we learn to have no fear than how shall we learn to fear for god or the wellbeing of others? Furthermore I feel that all emotions- including suffering - are connected. Although probably not in this simple way „I have a feeling and than 5 minutes later I become that“ like reflected in scientific statistic but as a big web over your life in which time might not play such an important role. If you kill one emotion than you damage all others too...
  3. Yes but without feelings we have no feeling for justice too. Our feeling for justice is in reality a certain form of anger and sadness, the emotion we have when we see suffering and that distinguishes us from the emotionless serial killer ... I start to ask myself if the emotions are not holy always in themselfes - and the only thing that makes them evil is when our logic aims them at the wrong target.
  4. I am responding here several posts at once but this quote is the most important to me. To be good in a moral sense we need to sort information in a way that we are not drowned by the unimportant and the sidetracking especially when information seem to conflict. It's the key sign of the evil that they always find something that sounds related to the subject but is sidetracking us from main moral questions. Jesus did not have a fixed home anymore when he dedicated himself to god so his lifestyle is comparable to the poorest today although they now have simple cell phones and so on so we should live as poor as the poor of our countries and times if we want to follow him. In the case of the clothing Jesus mentioned that in the face of violence you should do this: "If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek also. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also." If in the face of open injustice against you you should not cling to your cloths but in the face of poverty of someone else you should cling to them and be greedy? Greed is one of the seven sins (talking of important points highlighted unoverlookable in the bible so that they may not be overlooked). And no: it does not safe you that some poor people are greedy to; statistically the poor are less greedy because they donate more income than the rich. I am a thief because some other people are thieves too and that it is ok - or what is the logic of pointing to greed in others? All the time you invested in buying, renting, decorating (!) said home is time lost for encountering Jesus and encountering god by encounterin his children in their suffering. I know that some sort of shelter is needed in cold climate but does your home really look like the shelter of a modern nun? Because there are lots of Christian traditions already on how to live poor and not die on the street. The main feature of Satan is, that he gets very talky when he wants to reason himself out of his deeds. Jesus is tolerant to the rich to a certain degree - because he is Jesus, the most tolerant beeing ever in existance - but that does not mean that he wants us to emulate that lifestyle of said rich by tolerating our own greed. We should tolerate the rich too as we should be tolerant in general- but not in the moment where they dilute and destroy religion with false teaching. What then did Jesus die for when we do not listen to him? How sad must he be? So listen to him and FEEL what he says: Mark 10:21-22 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.” Maybe you can go to heaven when you are not as extreme as this widow but I am pretty sure you get the corner furthest away from Jesus. If that is your true aim so be it. Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: ‘Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God...’ One can come to the kingdome of god by making oneself poor through donating hence Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, ‘You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor (no qualification here into the lazy and the non believers and so on), and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’ When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions. Luke 16:19-25 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man’s table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. Luke 12:16-21 Then he told them a parable: ‘The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, ‘What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?’ Then he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, ‘Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God.’ And more. I am shocked by the bigot judgmental, icecold way in which many in this forum threat the poor. While Jesus gives me warmth you give death and contempt. I have no heart whatsover for superficiality of religion of this sort. For me the heart is another word for the soul by the way. Attacking this is what we in Germany would call "splitting the hairs". Splitting the hairs has never led to any meaningfull spiritual insight. Would you exclude children or the mentally disbaled because they do not use every word as perfect- and sorry - dead - as you do? Tree of knowledge, knowledge of words, does that ring anything in you? I have friends in Africa and I see that they are still living their believe instead of wasting there time on splitting hairs and engaging in artful twisting of words. I will go for there guidance because you have nothing to teach me. I see that some people here agree and want to help me but I can not stand the level of ice of the rest. It's killing, freezening, poisoning. For you the mentioining of sacrifices here is an empty word that sounds good but means nothing. What do you sacrfice to god? A candle? Or something like the last money of the widow - something that is really difficult to give away? And that I can not talk on Americans because I am not one is an ad hominem attack again. Do you not talk about atheists because you are not one of them?! I am rolling on the floor with laughter when I see this degree of censorship. Welcome the opinions from others: from the outside of a house errors can be spotted that are not visible from the inside.
  5. Science suddenly applied to the mind. My doctor ( who I believed to be atheist ) as well believes that was a major error too. He traced it to Freud and Freud was a social darwinist. So much for the claim atheism has no links to social darwinism ...
  6. I have a lot of American friends and I talked to them. And we never understand the concepts we use fully so of course I do not understand the US culture fully and there still will be millions of good Christs in that Country. But I slowly get a grasp what happened on average: the socialists seriously threatened you in the cold war and I can understand that you where angry. However anger is a surfire way to cut one’s spiritual connection with god. Now without this connection you are not able to correctly read and interprete Jesus teachings. Remember it is a gift of god and not an intellectual undertaking to understand him. Your hate against socialists let you find enemies everywhere. And because socialism stole some ideas from Jesus you „find“ socialism in Jesus now too - or better in those that want to remind you of his message. In an attempt to destroy socialism you pick the wrong target and destroy his message by constantly deluting it (which is a bit the fault of socialism too who tried to steal parts of that message). It‘s extremely frightening but this is exactly what I as a believer would expect hate to cause. I bow before god and his reasoning in this case - hate will never be a path to him. But I can not help you because this is neither a discussion about logic nor about politics. Unless you are able to see what hate does to you it will continue to impede that connection to god. Because I can not help you to find the right emotions I give up like I would give up before the atheists when they turn aggressive because they don‘t want to change.
  7. I think there seems to be a general shift in our societies to believe that feelings are evil and uncool. People from the period of romanticism would have certainly shook their head. How did this mental shift happen?
  8. From the general context I think the lady thought all feelings are evil and only logic can save us ...Coming next week: how to transform yourself into a computer.
  9. If you do not want to pay for unbelievers care for African Christs. They are starving like the flies. You always find a new group you don‘t want to care for - again as a read hearing strategy in my eyes to avoid the simple insight that Jesus told us that not caring for others is evil. Furthermore it seems you quoted that text of Timothy out of context: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Bible-say-if-you-dont-work-you-shouldnt-eat Scroll down too Joe Devneys answer to see why. Funnily communism eagerly adopted this principle. And I never said you should evangelize through bribing people. I say you do not even care for other believers and engage in a life style that is not spiritual because it focus on wordly treasures (all American Christians that sincerely engage in charity please ignore). THIS is what the atheist dissect and use against Christians - and very successfully.
  10. Than do not give to the lazy. There are so many other urgent causes besides donating to the lazy that beeing rich will always be a form of sinning.
  11. Yes I saw such an attack from an american christian against other american christians once - on base of disinterest in social justice and suffering of others. I was not a real believer than and it was a powerfull moment in my conversion to stand side by side in an intelectual fight with a christian. However I am a fan of Franciscus of Assissi and things like prosperity church will always be a heresy for me.
  12. I slowly get what is going wrong with rich US christians: they identify charity with socialism instead of Jesus. However socialism at best stole the concept from Jesus, who is the true inventor and master of it. But socialism is essentially god hating. You are giving socialism a great victory against god if you let it vail the origin of charity and destroy it's power in this way.
  13. If you cite the following quote: "Judgmental and wrong. I am in strong chronic pain and can not answer this threat 24 hours around the clock." yes.
  14. You attack me ad hominem because you said I did not reply in time! That is different then if I try to explain that part of US Christianity (an anonymous group) now is heresy. You explain everything out of the framework of socialism and hence secularism - that religion itself can be corroded by Satan (Satan used bible quotes to tempt Jesus!) never occurs to you. With this you are more and more side tracking yourself into secular thinking frames such as politics and away from spirituality and the bible. To stop the red hearing strategy I will try to bring you back to the main christian point: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." And you may leave whenever you want, you are free and I wish you all the best for your soul - but I do not like others to be sidetracked in similar ways.
  15. What do you think when you hear such a sentence from an atheist?
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