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Gentle-Warrior

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  1. We live under the canopy of the new and everlasting covenant. I don't know what you mean by the "new earth age." I never heard of that before nor do I know how anyone could say that. Once the Lord returns, all things will be restored just as He promised (Rev. 21:5).
  2. I'm not going to waste my time with people who get their doctrine from the internet or from the mouth of dispensationalist which is a cult that took off about 200 years ago. Have a nice day.
  3. About verse 30, yes, Jesus "came" but not as you assume. Notice that Jesus did not mention the end of time, but rather He used metaphorical language that everyone understood in those days very well (except modern Christianity). Coming in the clouds means the coming of judgment against the people that not only rejected their own Messiah, but also persecuted to the dead Jews that believed in Him (Isa. 19:1; Jer. 4:12, Rev. 1:7, 7:1-3; 1 Thes. 2:14-16) The "sign of the Son of Man" means "A SIGN" which pointed to the destruction of the temple, the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the age (old covenant age) just as Jesus prophesied in Mat. 22:1-14, Matt. 23:34-38, Lk 11:49-51. When judgment against Jerusalem and against the false Jews that had rejected their own Messiah came, they remembered what Jesus had said 40 years previously and understood the SIGN OF THE TIMES (Rev. 1:7). Let me remind you that the bible was not written to us directly, but to a people that lived in a certain time and who understood things differently than we do. So you need to take into consideration the culture of the day, the language difference (Jews spoke in picture language using much exaggerations to make a point. Greeks didn't because they spoke in abstract concepts).
  4. Do Do me a favor and please respond to what I said first before giving me your understanding of what you believe, that by the way, it didn't make much sense, I said, "Surely I am coming quickly" does not mean 2,000 + years into the future, but QUICKLY! Jesus returned to judge the harlot Israel by using the Romans, and to do away with all the wicked Jews that had up to that time been persecuting and killing His true Israel (a people of faith in their Messiah). All you have to do read what Jesus CLEARLY said in Mat. 23:34-38, in some of His parable that were meant for unbelieving Israel (Mat. 22:1-14) and then read 1 Thes. 2:14-16 as a follow up. Then read your history (the Jewish-Roman wars that took place in AD 66-70) Since when quickly means 2,000 years plus???
  5. I don't care about the kjv. I actually hate it because it is 412 years old and reads like Shakespeare being constipated while trying to poop. So, it you want a real Bible that can be understood, use the NASB or the NKJV, otherwise, you are going to wind up loving the translation but never getting to read it from cover to cover. Don't be part of the kjvo where people love the name but actually never read it because therein thousands of words that we no longer use, much less understand. So, let's get back to what Jesus said in Mat. 23:36, 24:34, Mark 13:30. The events the Lord was talking about were going to take place in their own generation, and it did, but I won't waste my time if you don't want to learn the truth.
  6. GENERATION: 11.4 γενεάa, ᾶς f: people living at the same time and belonging to the same reproductive age-class—‘those of the same time, those of the same generation.’ ἐκζητηθήσεται ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς ταύτης ‘the people of this generation will be punished’ Lk 11:51. The expression ‘the people of this generation’ may also be expressed as ‘the people living now’ or ‘the people of this time.’ Successive generations may be spoken of as ‘groups of people who live one after the other’ or ‘successions of parents and children.’ Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains 1996 : 119. Print.
  7. Absolutely! "Surely I am coming quickly" does not mean 2,000 + years into the future, but QUICKLY! Jesus returned to judge the harlot Israel by using the Romans, and to do away with all the wicked Jews that had up to that time been persecuting and killing His true Israel (a people of faith in their Messiah). All you have to do read what Jesus CLEARLY said in Mat. 23:34-38, in some of His parable that were meant for unbelieving Israel (Mat. 22:1-14) and then read 1 Thes. 2:14-16 as a follow up. Then read your history (the Jewish-Roman wars that took place in AD 66-70)
  8. Where does it say that Jesus was talking about the end of the world and where is the context of what He was saying to His own DISCIPLES??? Your understanding of these scriptures are totally irrelevant to Jesus' disciples since all of the things Jesus said to them was nothing but mere information that applied to no one in particular except for a far, far, far future generation that probably hasn't been born yet. Think about it before you respond please. By the way, "this generation" means it was it says, not what you would like it to mean. This generation means 'THIS GENERATION"!!! Not 2,000 plus years into the future.
  9. I'm dead serious. Prove that the book of Revelation was written for a futuristic people that probably haven't been born yet. If that is the case, this book has been nothing but a joke for the last 2,000 years since no one can interpret it correctly because it cannot be proven.
  10. Start by proving that the book of Revelation is a book for the future. Chapter and verse will end the discussion.
  11. What you posted is nothing but your personal opinions. Prove with chapter and verse that the book of Revelation was written to an unknown people of the far, far future. Thanks,
  12. There is nothing in the book of Revelation that points to a future age. You need to start reading the other 65 books ad understand why Jesus came and what He accomplished. Leave Revelation alone and stop playing the guru game of a future age. What you posted above is embarrassing.
  13. There is no extreme views from my part. Actually, I believe I have an understanding of the scriptures which makes a lot more sense than most because is 100% Christ centered and Christ glorifying. I don't go for what's popular or worse, just because 90% of the church believes God is a God of the future and will accomplish what He hasn't accomplished yet. I believe that the Lord accomplished all things just as the OT prophesied and now, (not in the future), He sits on the throne of Glory as the final and eternal descendant of David the king. One last note, you cannot isolate one verse of Revelation and give it your own personal meaning. Chapters and verses are not inspired. Chapters were created in 1,100 AD while verses came about 300 years thereafter. Chapters and verses are helpful in finding passages in the Bible, but such divisions have often obscured the meaning of Scripture by breaking sentences in the middle or by separating thoughts that should be joined together. If you want to learn what Revelation means or at least have a better understanding, you need to read the book about 100 times and get a picture in your head as to why it was written to seven churches of the first century, look at the history of those days and try to understand what the churches understood as the prophecies were given to them in picture language.
  14. Totally ridiculous. The book of Revelation is not about the Pope or some sort of sinister idiot that most Christians are waiting for. The book of Revelation was strictly written for the 7 churches of Asia Minor. Nothing spooky about that. Revelation is a book that deals with the judgment of harlot Israel and all the false Jews that rejected the Lord; it is about the end of the old covenant, and the supremacy of Christ over all creation.
  15. Who is talking about oneness here? God is one God revealed in three distinct persons. The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. God the Father cannot be God without God the Son and God the Spirit. God the Son cannot be God without God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit cannot be God without God the Father and God the Son. The Father cannot reign without the Son and the Spirit. Did you know that there is only one throne in heaven? This is Christianity 101. By the way, our original discussion had to do with dispensationalism. I say it again, this doctrine is false from the get-go. Do you care to debate me on the unbiblical teachings of dispensationalism?
  16. Have you forgotten that Jesus is God and that God has revealed Himself in three distinct persons? If Jesus is not reigning, God is not reigning because Jesus is God.
  17. You don't see Jesus reigning in heaven? He is Lord of all (Eph. 1:20-22, Mat. 28:18, Heb. 1:3). Perhaps you need a refreshment course on the epistles of Paul and the book of Hebrews where Jesus who is God reigns forever.
  18. What makes you think that the tribulation that Matthew 24 was talking about in the first century, has to do with a far future fulfillment of 2,000 years later? I find it very odd that most Christians don't know how to read or interpret the scriptures correctly.
  19. Yes, go ahead and moderate your scriptures. None of what you claim is found in the scriptures. God does not dwell on earth, but in heaven (Isa. 66:1). Jesus is GOD.
  20. No, you deny Gal. 3 as it is written because national, modern and secular Israel is more important than what Jesus accomplished at the cross? For me it will always be Jesus + Nothing.
  21. OK, so you deny the scriptures I provided because you already decided what to to believe? Got cha!
  22. The Abrahamic covenant was fulfilled in Christ. Galatians 3:7–8 (NIV) "Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” Galatians 3:13–14 (NASB95) "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Galatians 3:16 (NASB95) "Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ."
  23. Nope. Their inheritance was conditional to their obedience so unless you can provide chapter and verse where they repented after they lost the land in A.D. 70 while the Jews were scattered to the nearby nations. The fact is that the destruction of the temple and the setting of the entire city of Jerusalem on fire was the result of God's judgment against them for having killed His Son, for having killed His prophets and for having persecuted both Jews and Gentiles to the death afterwards. You have no case. Matthew 23:34–38 (NIV) "Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate." 1 Thessalonians 2:14–16 (NIV) "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last." Let me know if you want me to provide OT scriptures where the giving of the land to Israel was conditional upon their obedience to God's laws and statutes. Besides that, the land was given to them within the terms of the old covenant promises/responsibilities. Nothing in the NT speaks about giving the Jews the land back after they lost it in A.D. 70, but you are welcome to do a search.
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