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  1. BibleGuy, I find it difficult to read through you respond posts. You repeat things I have posted, without putting those things in the quote box. It's hard to distinguish quickly between what I said, and what you are saying in reply. Anyway. I totally disagree with your statement in the box above. And STOP saying that I'm on the side of the Antichrist! That's just mean! It's not a good way to win an argument, much less to continue polite discussion. Isaiah 66:20 "Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the LORD out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 "And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites," says the LORD. 22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the LORD, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. (NKJ) This text says that people - "your brethren" - will be brought like an offering. Some of them - the LORD will take for priests and for Levites. Your understanding of this depends on your viewpoint. I understand Isaiah to say the LORD will take some of these "brothers" (fellow believers in Yeshua) for priests (not necessarily Aaronic priests), and "for Levites" (meaning they will serve like the Levites once served, as persons to serve the LORD at His Temple). In Isaiah's day the Levites were non-priests who served at the Temple. Aaron had 2 brothers who were also sons of Levi. But only Aaron and his descendants were chosen as priests. WHEN the earth (and the Jerusalem Temple) is completely "burned up". WHEN Jesus stands on this earth, if HE then instructs all men to bring animals, to kill them, and to present their blood to HIS Father GOD, THEN I will do so. But I do not believe such will ever happen. Just because they die at the Return, doesn't mean they cannot be resurrected, and constitute "nations in the four corners of the earth" who will live under the ruler-ship of Christ and His "kings and priests". At the Glorious Return: (1) the redeemed will be made immortal, (2) the rebellious wicked will be judged and annihilated (3) "the rest" will remain asleep in death for another 1000 years, to be resurrected at the 8th millennium. Then all your verses describing "nations" who serve Israel, will come to pass. "The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5).
  2. Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. Did Christ fulfill TORAH? Answer: Yes! He was obedient unto death. He perfectly fulfilled the terms of the covenant and will therefore legally receive the reward of the covenant - the land. "Fulfill" Strong's #4137, meaning to accomplish or to complete. Matthew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished." "Accomplished" - Strong's #1096, meaning: to come into being, to happen, to become. Two different words are used. One tells us that Christ would accomplish something, or complete something. (Jesus cried out "it is finished".) The other word tells us that something will happen. Something will come into being. And the NEW thing will not come into being UNTIL this present "heaven and earth" "pass away". What will be "new" once this present "heaven and earth" have passed away? Is it not the "new heavens and a new earth" (Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22, 2Peter 3:13)? It seems obvious that some things will "pass away from the Law" WHEN "heaven and earth pass away". You seem to be preaching that nothing WILL EVER pass away from TORAH - that it will go on unchanged forever - even when Christ creates new heavens and the New Earth. UNTIL this world is passed away Matthew 5:19 "Whoever then annuls (removes) one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." I did NOT removed any commandment. I have not taught others that any one of GOD's commands are removed. GOD has instituted the Melchizedek priesthood as present reality. That priesthood exists now, as the only means of reconciliation (atonement) with GOD. Access to a Levite priesthood has been impossible for almost 2000 years. The LORD has allowed that. When/if the LORD allows the building of a new Temple on the Mount, and when/if Levite priests are consecrated for that Temple - it will not be a "sin" to go there and offer sacrifices. Those believers in Yeshua who are allowed to do so, will do so as a memorial to Him. They will do so because they are seeking to fulfill TORAH. I don't believe the LORD would punish them for such. (I also very much doubt that believers in Yeshua will be allowed at that Temple.) I also do not believe the LORD will punish those genuine believers who choose NOT to offer animal sacrifices, because of their beliefs - especially those who live far from the territory of Israel. When/if another Temple is restored on the Mount, it will only last for a short time. We don't know how long between the inauguration of that Temple and the appearance of the Antichrist in that Temple. He will sit in that Temple, "showing himself that he is God". His army "will take away the daily sacrifices and place there the abomination that makes desolate" . After that, it may only be months (perhaps 42) before Christ returns. The earth will pass away 2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up." NO ONE will "survive" that day, unless removed from this planet!
  3. Christ will energize us to keep HIS "changed" TORAH. I did not "change" TORAH. GOD the Father did. You deny that the LORD has changed TORAH. The TORAH is NOT "abolished". I has been "changed" - specifically "the priesthood" - BY GOD HIMSELF. There is STILL a priesthood - the Melchizedek priesthood of "the firstborn" - which was the original priesthood. The Levite priesthood is NOT THE ORIGINAL PRIESTHOOD. The Levite priesthood WAS a change. The words "the Levites instead of the firstborn" are repeated several times (Numbers 3:12, 41, 45; Num 8:16, 18). The LORD Himself commanded that "change" after the Golden Calf rebellion. So don't tell me that God never changes anything. The "change" (back to the firstborn) after Christ's death and ascension, was to bring things BACK to His original order. The Levite priesthood was a detour from that plan. When I recognize and honor the priesthood of the Firstborn, "instead of" the Levite priesthood, I am keeping TORAH.
  4. I rest on the 7th Day each week. In my Bible, the LORD called that day "holy" at the end of creation week. (That was a whopping long way before Mount Sinai. That was before sin.) The word translated as "holy" means "belonging to the LORD". He declared that day - HIS day. I can't find any place where HE removed the "holy" status of that day, or declared any other day "holy". When Yeshua said "the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath Day", He was claiming to be the LORD who created everything, the One who that day "holy". The Sabbath is HIS HOLY DAY. At Sinai the LORD just told Israel to "remember". In Romans 14:1-6 Paul starts out talking about eating meat vs only vegetables. That was because all the "meat" in the markets had first been presented to pagan idols, before being offered for sale. The Jerusalem council had warned against eating "things offered to idols". Paul thought the more mature would realize that idols of stone could not change the food. As for special days, Paul may be talking about fasting days. "The Pharisees fast often" (Matt 9:14, Mk 2:18). "Let no one judge you in food [meat offerings] or in drink [drink offerings], or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." Col 2:16,17 Meat offerings and drink offerings were part of each sacrifice at the Temple. Paul may be telling believers not to allow the Pharisees to "judge them" regarding how they commemorated the Feasts. Paul calls those Feasts "shadows" pointing to Christ and what He would do. There was no need for believers of Paul's day to travel to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices. I personally believe the sacrifice of animals was rendered "obsolete" with the death of Messiah. I do personally commemorate the Feast days. I eat unleavened bread during Passover week. I refrain from work on those days. Even Paul said, "Christ our Passover was slain for us." "Therefore let us keep the Feast." (ICor 5:7-8). What "Feast" would Paul have been talking about - in context? Obviously the Passover. Isaiah puts the Sabbath in the New Earth. That's future. Isaiah 66:22 "For just as the new heavens and the new earth I am about to make will remain standing before me," says the LORD, "so your descendants and your name will remain. 23 From one month to the next and from one Sabbath to the next, all people will come to worship me," says the LORD. (NET)
  5. Thanks. The state of Israel may re-institute sacrifices at a rebuilt Temple, but how can the LORD accept the sacrifices of a people who have rejected His own Son. Even today, before one can become "Jewish" or a citizen of that state, one must renounce Jesus specifically and by name as Messiah, and/or God's "only begotten son". Isaiah 29:13 Then the Lord said, "Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote, (NAS)
  6. First I would point out that DNA Hebrews who do not believe in Yeshua as God's Son and Messiah, are NOT ATTACHED to the "Olive Tree". They are broken off branches. 90% of the population of Jews in the current state of Israel are secular. They might keep the Feasts, but only because they are traditional. Satan knows the prophecies far better than any man, or council of men. Satan has been working for a long time, to bring about a masterpiece of deception which will deceive those of every nation on the planet - even "the very elect" if possible. I believe Satan will use the modern state of Israel to "fulfill" the ancient prophecies. All the "nations" around her will come up to attack, and then "the Lord" will powerfully defend her, causing fire "from heaven" to destroy her enemies, and almost the entire Middle East. Then a new Temple will be restored, and sacrifices restored. Then a magnificent being will appear in that Temple, claiming to be Messiah (for the Jews), Christ returned (for the Christians), and the expected "messiah" figure for every religion. And while he's at it, a returned alien for all the atheists and naturalists. Everyone on this planet will serve him EXCEPT those with the seal of God. They will know who he really is. Satan knows that folks are expecting 7 last plagues. He will make sure there are plagues before his appearance. (They will be the trumpet judgments. Notice how the trumpets cause the destruction of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. That tells you Satan is behind them. He drew 1/3 of the stars of heaven.) PS: I've no problem with Jews having a homeland, after 2000 years of persecution. No problem at all.
  7. How can a loving God . . . ? I think it's called tough-love. God has allowed His free will created children to experience life without His full protection. Ten million years into eternity, we will remember. We won't suffer or still mourn, but we will remember. And we will never again choose to live outside His will. But if this disaster had never happened, we would never know how much He loves us, or know what He was willing to suffer - for us.
  8. Faith IS a gift from God. We hear the Word of God, and the Spirit of God (if we do not resist) opens our mind to understand and receive that word. The result is belief and trust (faith). "God has given to each one his measure of faith." (Rom 12:3 NJB) 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; (1Co 12:8 KJV) I do NOT just grit my teeth and decide to have more faith. I pray humbly to receive more of that GIFT.
  9. Galatians 5:6 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.” Galatians 6:15 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.” Romans 2:26-29 “Therefore, if an uncircumcised man [a Gentile convert to the gospel] keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?” How could one keep the requirements of the TORAH, WITHOUT being circumcised? (Circumcision was commanded in the Torah, as a sign of covenant with God.) Something must have changed in the Law - under the New Covenant. Romans 3:30 “There is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.” Both circumcised and uncircumcised are “justified” by faith. Colossians 2:11 “In Him [in Christ] you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.” If a man has "the circumcision of Christ", what need is there to seek physical circumcision by man? Philippians 3:2-3 “Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,”
  10. BibleGuy keeps repeating, "keep the Torah." "Keep the Torah." "Keep the Torah." But there has been "a change of the law" under the New Covenant, specifically a change that involves "the priesthood" (Hebrews 7:12). Under the New Covenant the LORD has commanded us to eat "the bread" and drink "the cup" (of Passover) to "show the LORD's death til he comes". Paul did NOT tell his Gentile converts to be circumcised, so that they could eat sacrificed roast lamb in remembrance of Christ's death. The Apostle Paul very clearly said that believers should NOT be circumcised to enter in to covenant with God through Christ. That is what baptism is for. 1 Corinthians 6:11 “But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.” If one is already "justified" at baptism, why go to seek it from a Levite priest at the Jerusalem Temple, where an uncircumcised man could not enter anyway? Why seek it from a priesthood that has been "changed"? 1 Corinthians 7:18-20 “Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.” If "keeping the commandments of God" (under the New Covenant) has to include circumcision, then Paul was double-speaking. You can't have it both ways. Circumcision is either "nothing" or it's something that "matters". When Paul wrote "keeping the commandments of God is what matters", I believe he was simply referring to The Ten Commandments - written by God Himself. He did say "commandments" - plural.
  11. Miracles are not proof that God is supporting something. The Evil One can do miracles too. 2 Corinthians 11:14 "There is nothing astonishing in this; even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." (NJB)
  12. Matthew 5:48 "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." "you shall be perfect" could easily be a PROMISE of what we will someday become "in Christ". For now - I have no perfection, except Yeshua's righteousness, imputed to me. I can't "be perfect" anymore than I can walk on water. If I (like Peter) should one day "walk on water", that would totally be a miracle. Yes it is "possible". Matthew 11:29"Take my yoke on you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy to bear, and my load is not hard to carry." (NET) The reason HIS yoke is easy to bear, is because HE is the one doing the pulling - not me. We "find rest" - not a lot more work. It's HIS yoke. We join Him, in HIS yoke. And NO, it's not my job to "have more faith". Faith is a GIFT from God. I can pray for it, but I cannot - of myself - just somehow generate it.
  13. I used to think I had to keep God's law perfectly now - during this life. I was carrying a very heavy burden. Couldn't understand why/ how I could slip up (which did/does happen). Then I read Ezekiel 36:24-27. Ezekiel 36:24 "For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land. 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 "And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances." (NAS) HIS work "in us" will not be complete UNTIL we are gathered from all nations and brought into the land promised to Abraham's Seed (who is Yeshua). I suddenly realized that HIS work "in" me won't be perfect until then. Because I'm not yet "perfected", doesn't mean I will be "lost", and doesn't mean that HIS work in me has not begun. NOTE: I do not believe the present "return" of DNA descendants from Jacob, into the present geopolitical land area named "Israel, constitutes the "return" described in this passage from Ezekiel. I believe this present "return" (begun by mostly communist descendants of Jews from Russia, who fought their way into the land) is a COUNTERFEIT for the true return under Yeshua Messiah, which will come only after HIS glorious return.
  14. We cannot - of ourselves - overcome the power of Satan, the pull of the flesh, and the pressure of society around us. Only Christ "IN" us, can overcome those things - to give us victory. Colossians 1:27 "God wanted to make known to them the glorious riches of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." (NET) We must have BOTH imputed righteousness and imparted righteousness (His spirit working in us to bring us to "the full stature"). Imputed righteousness is Christ's record of sinlessness - His "blood" - His goodness that covers my failures and my old record of sin. Imparted righteousness is the Spirit of Christ working in me - "to will and to do of His good pleasure". Those who focus only on "the law" and not on the means by which we can actually keep His law, end up making the law a terrible impossible burden. They discourage people into thinking it is impossible. Then people just give up trying. Or they might go towards only "cheap grace" - that's the grace message that doesn't talk about (or flatly denies the need for) any obedience at all. People who talk only about "free" grace, ignore the LORD's offer of His indwelling Spirit to empower us - so that we can love unselfishly. We do not obey so that we can receive grace and "be saved". We received grace so we could obey. Romans 1:5 "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" (KJV)
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