David1701

Psalm 88 (KJV) 1 O LORD God of my salvation, I have cried day and night before thee: 2 Let my prayer come before thee: incline thine ear unto my cry; 3 For my soul is full of troubles: and my life draweth nigh unto the grave. 4 I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength: 5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand. 6 Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps. 7 Thy wrath lieth hard upon me, and thou hast afflicted mewith all thy waves. Selah. 8 Thou hast put away mine acquaintance far from me; thou hast made me an abomination unto them: I am shut up, and I cannot come forth. 9 Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction: LORD, I have called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands unto thee. 10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? 12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee. 14 LORD, why castest thou off my soul? why hidest thou thy face from me? 15 I am afflicted and ready to die from my youth up: while I suffer thy terrors I am distracted. 16 Thy fierce wrath goeth over me; thy terrors have cut me off. 17 They came round about me daily like water; they compassed me about together. 18 Lover and friend hast thou put far from me, and mine acquaintance into darkness.

The "immortalised" cell lines (normal cells do not replicate indefinitely and have to be replaced) are produced by making them cancerous. Let that sink in... https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-cancer-cells-in-vaccines/

In spite of its corruption and dictatorial leadership, Russia supports the family and good morals, in a way that the Cabal hates. I believe that they are trying to provoke Russia into a nuclear war, so that Russia can be removed as a blockage to their world domination (the same reason why Trump had to be removed, and Margaret Thatcher before that). The Cabal have been trying to make the world tolerant of everything, except godliness, truth and decency, for a long time now.

A believer.

Longing for bloodshed?! I think some prayer might be in order...

I agree. I avoid paraphrastic versions like the plague (e.g. The Living Bible and The Message).

Yes; however, the thing is, that whatever is not of faith is sin; so, we must be fully persuaded that what we are doing is God's will. If we just do our own thing, without faith that it's the Lord's will, then it is sin.

So do I; although, I also use several other versions. It's good to compare and contrast different translations, for various reasons.

I agree completely. Question: Is it legalism to seek God's leading, in every area of life?

That's right. It's many of the modern versions that remove some words in Rom. 8:1, as they do in numerous other places.

Well, my irony meter just broke! A false teacher ignoring me, for pointing out his sin! By the way, you speak for yourself. You are not "we".

The Holy Spirit did (and does) much more than merely inspire the authors of the books of the Bible to write them! He convicts of sin, righteousness and judgment to come, for example; something of which you appear to be completely unaware.

I think that you are not the one to be making such statements, considering that you have been trying to fill an office for which you are entirely unsuited. Some humility would be in order (and repentance), not a pretence of being on the moral high ground.

You are repeatedly misrepresenting what I post. I have NEVER posted (or believed) that salvation is "regardless of how you lived your life"! That is a false teaching, promoted by a minority of freewillers (and I'm not one of those either), who believe in OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved). I believe in POTS (Preservation/Perseverance of the Saints), which is the biblical doctrine that God preserves his chosen ones, causing them to persevere in the faith. I also believe, because the Bible says so, that those who profess to be Christians, but live like the world, demonstrate thereby that they were never saved. 1 John 3:6-9 (ESV) 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

Okay, so you don't believe in salvation by grace alone. What religion are you; because Christians believe that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, to the glory of God alone?

Of course the word of God is not false doctrine; but, do you understand what Phil. 2:12,13 means? It certainly does not mean that outworking our salvation is to be with terror and trepidation! It means with godly reverence and trembling in awe. Why is this? Because it is the eternal, almighty, thrice holy God who is working in you, to will and do of his good pleasure. What are you talking about? I've not condemned anyone! Quit the false accusations. It's very simple: God has chosen to save some of Adam's hell-deserving race, before the foundation of the world. He predestines these to salvation, by grace, through hearing the gospel and through faith in his Son. The rest are left in the sin they desire and are left to the consequences of that sin. Eph. 1:3-6 (Webster) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us to the adoption of children to himself by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

I did not ask for what purpose God has saved you. I asked from what God has saved you. Perhaps you would like to answer the question asked, rather than pretending that I asked a totally different question. You are contradicting the word of God. Rom. 11:5-8 (Webster) 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded {blinded: or, hardened} 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) to this day. We are to do what the Lord says. Everyone agrees about that. Election is to salvation, not merely service. Rom. 9:21-24 (Webster) 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel to honour, and another to dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: {fitted: or, made up} 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared for glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

I don't have time to deal with your whole post, but this needs to be addressed. To predestine, is to determine someone's destiny, in advance; so, by definition, it determines what will happen to him. If God has chosen someone for salvation, then he predestines him to be saved. To put this in other words (with identical meaning), his destiny is predetermined, and that destiny is salvation. Eph. 1:5 (Webster) Having predestinated us to the adoption of children to himself by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will, If you are predestined to be adopted as a child of God, then you are obviously predestined to salvation, since you don't get adopted without being saved. Rom. 8:29,30 (Webster) 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Note the unbroken chain: foreknew (this means "chose beforehand", when applied to people), predestined (destiny predetermined) to be conformed to the image of Jesus (you can't have this without being saved), called (i.e. called effectually to Jesus - see 1 Cor. 1:23,24), justified (declared righteous) and, finally, glorified (this is future, when we are resurrected; but it is so certain, that it is declared to be accomplished already).

Do you have a point?

This is, of course, complete nonsense. Rom. 9:14-16 (KJV) 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Here we have it, as simply and clearly as anyone could wish for: God's choice of upon whom to have mercy and compassion, is not based upon man's will or works, but is within God himself. Regarding the false teaching that man has so-called "free will" (i.e. his will is, allegedly, not determined by anything other than itself, including man's desires, knowledge, understanding, fears, etc.), the Bible very clearly refutes this, in numerous places. Eph. 2:1-3 (Webster) 1 And you hath he made alive , who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 In which in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our manner of life in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Here, we see that unbelievers fulfil the desires of the flesh and mind, according to their nature. This is entirely contrary to so-called "free will", which claims that the will is not determined by such things (or, in fact, anything at all, except itself). Proverbs 21:1 (Webster) The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it wherever he will. This is as clear as day: the LORD turns the hearts of kings wherever he wants (since this is the case with kings, how much more is it true of those with lesser authority). In other words, God determines which way a man's heart will turn. He might think that he has so-called "free will", but it is merely a figment of his imagination. Rom. 8:8 (Webster) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Obviously the apostle Paul did not believe in "free will", since, here, he says that those who are "in the flesh" (i.e. unsaved) CANNOT please God. Did you catch that? They are UNABLE to please God; their will is not "free" to please God, but is utterly bound by sin. I could go on, presenting proof after proof, but these should be enough for anyone. I agree with Luther, that the Old and New Testaments are like two armies, opposed to "free will". I would strongly recommend you to read Luther's book "Bondage of the Will", or one of the simplified versions.

Hebrews was written to Jews who had heard the gospel. Falling short of the grace of God, or any of the other parts of Hebrews misused to teach that you can forfeit your salvation, were warnings about reverting to Judaism, having heard the gospel, and not going on to faith in the Messiah. If you think that you can lose your salvation, then from what has God saved you? This teaching that you can be saved, then lost, then saved, then lost is deeply dishonouring to the Lord, who is the one who saves and keeps. Salvation is of the Lord, not man's will or works. The ones whom the Father draws effectually to Jesus WILL be raised up at the last day. To claim otherwise is to lie, and to call God a liar. The effects of the "We're not saved, but on probation." false teaching are to promote pride in those who think that they are being good enough to stay saved, and despair in those who realise that they can't. Nothing good comes from it - ever.

The Bible says that repentance is a gift from God, and not everyone is given it. 2 Tim. 2:25,26 (KJV) 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. The Bible also says that faith is a gift from God, and not everyone is given it. Phil. 1:29 (KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; 2 Pet. 1:1 (KJV) Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Acts 13:48 (KJV) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. We don't have so-called "libertarian free will"; it's a figment of the imagination.

You have already partaken, and the bias was obvious. Have a look at how Jesus and the apostles dealt with those teaching error. It was stronger than anything in this thread; and it needs to be dealt with.

God's foreknowledge of people is not based on anything within them. It is based on God's will. God chooses to make someone something, which includes giving him the necessary character and abilities. It is like an author choosing what a character in his book will be and do, based, not on advance knowledge of what the character will do (that would be absurd), but upon what the author has decided he will do.

There is a now-but-not-yet to redemption. We have been redeemed from the slave market of sin already (in our spirit); however, our flesh has not been redeemed yet (that happens at the resurrection).