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The Hebrew Olive tree is in Romans 11:17-23 -Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; (This is where Paul is referring to the Jews as the Olive tree) Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. The early church saw themselves as Spiritual Jews (not Hebrews) from these verses - Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (Jews who say they are Jews and are not - Rev. 3:9). Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

No they speak for a portion of them. But the Jewish leadership uses the Babylonian Talmud which supports the belief and is loaded with anti-Gentile references, which gives them permission to lie to Gentiles, kill them etc. This is why they think that are justified in being so brutal to the Palestinians. If you want to contradict this, then please do your own research first.

Did you take the time to read my post?

It was in a video of interviews with orthodox Jews in Israel. I heard several of them say that. I am trying to find the original video. When I get it I will post the link.

I agree, but the Jews believe that they will one day rule the world with their messiah, this is one reason why they will be sitting ducks for the antichrist who will encourage them in their fantasy until it no longer suits his purposes.

The context of the two chapters leading up to the nation in one day verse in Isaiah is about the Gentiles coming to Jesus and they receive a new name which most scholars see as 'Christians." While the church is not addressed specifically in the Old Testament it is there symbolically in my opinion. The two chapters in Ezekiel are about Israel, their return to the Holy land after the captivity, the messiah and Pentecost in Ezekiel 37, which is about the birth of the church. As I said, the church isn't mentioned specifically, but it's there symbolically. According to the Apostle Paul, a Jew is not a Jew unless the are circumcised in heart through the Messiah. That would be a Jew who says they are a Jew and are not. They are mentioned as the enemies of Smyrna and Philadelphia, the only two spiritual conditions that receive no correction from the Lord. Prophetically Smyrna and Philadelphia are not just literal churches but they represent all the believers through all the ages that have the same spirit of devotion to the Lord that gains Philadelphia protection from the "hour," the tribulation in the latter days.

I agree. But the many Jews believe that they will rule the world with their messiah and it is not Jesus.

One of the Rothschilds said, "Control a nations money and I care not who writes the laws." I am an author, I do research. The banks control the money and they control the world, some of them happen to be Rothschilds. Because the Jews have misinterpreted many Old Testament scriptures many of them believe that someday they will rule the world with their messiah and the Gentiles will be their servants. I have heard some say this myself. So they will be candidates for deception when the antichrist arrives and trades on their fantasy.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one, too. The context in which the verse in question, coupled with the previous chapters supports the verse as pertaining to Pentecost. Did you read the article I sent? The previous verse to Isaiah 66:8 is about the Messiah. The big deal about bringing the Jews back to the land after the Babylonian captivity was that the Messiah would come when the temple was rebuilt which He did. Pentecost quickly followed Jesus' resurrection. Ezekiel 36 and 37 deal with the Messiah and the New Covenant being given at that time. The valley of dry bones is also about the outpouring of the Holy Spirit reviving Israel after David their prince, a similitude of Jesus comes. The Gentiles have been grafted into the Hebrew olive tree and the early church saw themselves as Jews. They don't replace Israel, they are unified with her. As Jesus said there would be one fold and one shepherd. The Jews who say they are Jews and are not mentioned in Revelation are the unbelieving Jews who can be grafted in when they eventually come to faith in Messiah Jesus.

The prophecies where God says He calls Israel to the land are in reference to their return from the Babylonian captivity and after their second captivity, the tribulation in Zechariah 14. In both those instances God established a religious nation. When Israel became a nation in 1948 it was a secular nation. Before Israel was a nation Palestine was inhabited by Arabs with a very small population of Jews, about 3%. The Arabs had lived there for hundreds of years and they all lived together in peace. Then one of the Rothschilds from the banking family who are globalists started buying up land there and started businesses. He began importing Jews from Europe to run them. So many of them came they were running out of housing and when the Arabs refused to sell, the Jews formed terrorist groups and began to drive them out. Then another Rothschild was approached to make Israel a homeland for the Jewish people, which was beneficial to the Rothschild family because they had so many business interests there and he was instrumental in making Israel a nation. God permitted it to fulfill prophecy and be the sign that we are in the last days. The Rothschilds are one of the families that are behind the movement toward a one world government beast system. That's how and why Israel became a nation.

Pentecost is prophesied in Isaiah 66:8 - cafelogos.org/nation.html

I never smoked or drank even before I was a Christian, so I never had to battle those addictions, just the usual lusts of the flesh. I always think of Jesus sweating great drops of blood begging the Father to release Him from what He didn't want to do. Likewise we have to sweat the same blood to keep from doing what we want to do.

In the Old Testament there are lots of scriptures showing the Gentiles coming to the Messiah who are His church. The church is people.

The thesis I did on the Trinity for my doctorate (which I found out I didn't need after all) was approved by a Trinitarian PHD and a Master of Divinity. The Jesus I teach is the one that is taught in the scriptures and from the scriptures. Your statement that Jesus cannot be God at all if He did not exist from all eternity is not based on scripture and by itself is illogical. Jesus and the Father are the same Spirit and Jesus always existed within the Father, but as the early councils confirmed He was brought forth from the Father at a distinct point in infinity - "This day I have begotten you." Again, if Jesus' soul/person did not have a beginning then we do not have a Father and Son, but two coequal gods and that is polytheism the concept we have to avoid. You need to understand that the principles regarding the human soul and spirit also apply to the Father and Son as the words in the original languages are used to describe them both.

The reference in Ezekiel is referring to God restoring them to the land after the Babylonian captivity. Israel is in her land prior to the second captivity but this is man's engineering which God permitted for His purposes. As you said, Israel will come to faith after the second captivity when Jesus returns and "They will look upon Me whom they have pierced." Zechariah 12:10.

Your posts seemed to indicate that you believe that God is three spirits; God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, because when I said God is one Spirit you disagreed.

If you believe that God is three spirits, then show me from he scriptures how those three spirits are unified. In order for them to be one God then they have to be unified.

That is why we need to stick to the scriptures for our explanations.

Again, I will have to agree to disagree. I don't have time to keep going over the same points. All I can say is you spent too much time trying to figure things out on your own instead of letting God show you.

If you believe that God is more than one spirit then you are a polytheist because the scriptures show very clearly that God is one Spirit. "God is Spirit" singular. If God is more than one Spirit then that is polytheism. Paul said God is one. Galatians 3:20. He is referring to the Father. Jesus said very clearly that the Holy Spirit is His Spirit in Matthew 10:20. There is more than one person, but only one spirit. God's Spirit is omnipresent and can operate as more than one, but His Spirit is never more than one. The persons of the Father and Son can make their abode in the believer through their one Holy Spirit. If you tried to convince Moses that God is more than one you would have probably been put to death at that time. What makes Jesus God is the fact that His Spirit is God's Spirit. "I and my Father are one" John 10:30. They are one Spirit, one God with two distinct persons. If Jesus has His own Spirit apart from the Father then you are making Jesus a second God and again that is polytheism.

I again agree to disagree. God's wrath is the bowl judgments in 16 which are the previous plagues in rev. 8 coming into their fulness. Again this follows the template of Matthew 24, the beginning of sorrows/Rev.8, that we are in now, (the mountain that falls into the sea is probably the meteor that's supposed to hit us in 2029) the tribulation, the first resurrection and the time of wrath when "two are in the field" and God removes the wicked. The seals don't open up the trumpets, they reveal the persecutors, the persecuted and their future avenging. The seven thunders represent prophetic messages that are given to individuals for strategies in spiritual warfare. What John heard was for his ears alone and his personal instruction. The remnant is sealed for their protection in 7, the Philadelphians, that are promised to be kept from the hour and they are seen protected in Rev. 9:4, these are the sealed ones of Rev. 7 that cannot be affected by the demons that are being unleashed in chapter 9. They are the two candlestick/churches that are raptured in 11 before the tribulation. If you take the two groups in Rev. 7 and transport them to 14 and 15, the 144,000 are safe in heaven and the other group in 15 has gone through the tribulation at the end of 14. That's how the Lord showed it to me and I will not budge. You need to research illuminati bloodlines and how they relate to the kings of Europe. They are the 10 kings/toes of Daniel that direct the EU and will be the heads of the ten districts. I do agree with you that the antichrist removes the sacrifices, the atonement of Jesus. Nobody gets it that the antichrist is anti-Christ and his goal is to destroy Christianity. That is why we see the beast empire shutting down evangelism illustrated by the death of the witnesses in 11 because Christianity then will no longer be an accepted faith. it will not conform to the beasts' new one world religion. If you are happy with your interpretations that's fine. I don't have to agree with them. The most important thing we have to understand are the principles that the prophecies are showing us.

Jesus said God is Spirit (singular). God is one Spirit (John 4:24). Jesus also said that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, the "Spirit of the Father" Matthew 10:20. God is one Spirit, the Holy Spirit is His Spirit. If God is more than one spirit then that is polytheism. Jesus' begotten soul proceeded from the Father which is the orthodox doctrine of the church and according to Isaiah 42:1 the Father unified Himself with the Son. - Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. John 3:34 For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. "The Spirit of Christ" which is mentioned in Romans 8:9, I Peter 1:11, II Cor. 3:17, Galatians 4:6,Philippians 1:19,is not a second spirit, but the Holy Spirit because again God's Spirit is the Holy Spirit as Jesus said and if we have more than one spirit associated with God we are polytheists. The Spirit of Christ is not another spirit. Jesus and the Father's Spirit are the same and is the unifying factor which makes the persons one. The believer receives the Holy Spirit and that is "the Spirit of His Son into your hearts" Galatians 4:6. Again, Jesus said that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit Matthew 10:20, so the Spirit of God that dwells in us and the spirit of Christ that is in us (Romans 8:9) has to be the Holy Spirit and is the vehicle through which Jesus is in the believer John 14:18.

I studied how the scriptures use the word soul and spirit and how those words relate to God and Jesus. Everything I teach about Jesus is from scripture. The apostles recognized that Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9). John chapter 1. -Jesus is with God and was God. Jesus is with God because His begotten soul is distinct from God's soul/person and they have a Father and Son relationship. Jesus is God because His Spirit is God's Spirit(Romans 8:9).

I have to disagree again. God's wrath does not start until after the tribulation and the first resurrection. The trumpets are the warning period before the tribulation. As I said the plagues are progressive. If they happen after the church age, then why is John, a representative of the bride ministering in chapter ten, and the remnant is seen in chapter nine and 11? Also, when the beast empire takes full control it will change the demographics. The illuminati have already divided the world into ten regions each related back to a crowned head of Europe. So when the antichrist starts to face opposition it will be by the king of the south, etc. the head of that region so we can't pinpoint it to any country. I think by that point the EU will be revised and absorbed into the empire.

I agree with that. The beginning of sorrows precedes the tribulation which is instigated by an attack on Israel and their captivity. I don't think it has anything to do with giving the land to the EU, they are invaded. Again I was shown that the beginning of sorrows correlates to the warning period of the trumpets which progresses over a long period of time.