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  1. No man has ever seen the Father (John 1:18; 5:37 6:46). Every manifestation of "the word of God", "the angel of the Lord" or "Yahweh" appearing to men in the OT was the pre - incarnate Jesus. Jesus accepted worship (Matt. 14:33, 28:9 28:17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). If He accepted worship He either truly was God or a demonic charlatan. I prefer to believe the former.
  2. Almost all of the original Christian Church was composed of Jews. Jesus was a Jew. At the return of Christ, the remnant of Israel remaining on earth will look upon Him whom they have pierced as mourn and repent. The Gentile Church has not replaced the Jews as God's chosen people, we have been grafted in.
  3. I believe there will still be believers after the rapture. The very rapture itself will be enough to convert many who previously laughed at such a ridiculous notion. Both Daniel and revelation speak of the terrible times to be faced by believers right up to the second coming. I believe some strong believers (like the two witnesses) will be left on earth to preach to unbelievers until the very end. “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people." (Dan. 8:23-24) " As I watched, this horn was waging war against the holy people and defeating them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people of the Most High (Dan. 7:21-22) " It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them." (Rev. 13:7) "And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want." (Rev 11:3-6)
  4. I pretty much agree. I sometimes think that the Second Coming happens in two phases - one where Jesus comes FOR His saints (the rapture); and later He comes WITH His saints. Scripture seems to give two versions of the Second Coming - one in which we have to be ready for His Coming at a totally unexpected time - during peace and prosperity; and one that will be preceded by very explicit signs - like one-world government and religion, Mark of the Beast, extreme and unprecedented persecution of anyone resisting the Beast power, cosmic disturbances, etc. To me it sounds like Second Coming, Phase A and Phase B. I believe in a Pre-Wrath rapture rather than a pre-trib rapture. Just my opinion.
  5. If you think this is persecution, you ain't seen nothin' yet! But you are correct - it is coming to soon; and will begin with the erosion of the First and Second Amendment. It may even involve a total rewrite of the Constitution. I remember a "conspiracy theory" from a few years back about only a couple more states being required to force a constitutional convention which would open up the entire Constitution to revision.
  6. I believe what we are seeing is the "beginning of birth pangs" and the "beginning of sorrows". If WW1 and WW2 were not the "tribulation", what we have going on now isn't the tribulation. While I agree that the time of the end may be upon us, the end of time is not. No antichrist, no temple for the antichrist to call himself God in, No mark of the beast, no cosmic disturbances. I say that because I live in the USA. I'm confident Christians in the Middle east, North Africa, and parts of Asia will disagree with me - and rightly so. They are definitely facing great tribulation.
  7. JoeMo

    Trinity

    IMHO, "Father" Yahweh rules the spiritual realm. If He were to appear to any of us in the physical realm, it would so overwhelm our senses that we would die. No human has seen the Father except His Son Jesus. The Father doesn't just sit on His Throne. He rules all the spiritual realms in the entirety of the heavens and on earth. "Jesus" Yahweh rules the physical realm. In the OT, whenever someone sees the LORD, Angel of the Lord, Word of the Lord, it is referring to the pre-incarnate Jesus. It was the pre-incarnate Jesus that led the Israelites from Egypt to Israel, and went before Israel to defeat the pagan tribes who had moved into the Promised Land during the 400-year Egyptian Bondage.
  8. JoeMo

    Trinity

    I didn't watch Dr Heiser's video; but I just finished reading "Unseen Realm" for the second time. I didn't see where Dr. Heiser gave a definite answer on the Trinity. For example, on Page 294 of Unseen Realm he states: "Perhaps we should instead ask, is the Spirit Jesus in some way? The question sounds odd, but it's akin to asking if the man Jesus is God in some way. The answer, as we have seen in previous chapters is that Jesus is the second Yahweh, the embodied Yahweh of the Old Testament. But Jesus is not the "Father "Yahweh. He therefore is but isn't Yahweh. It's the same with the Spirit. The Spirit is Yahweh, and so he is Jesus as well, but not incarnate or embodied. The Spirit is but isn't jesus, just as Jesus is but isn't Yahweh the Father.The same sort of "two Yahwehs" idea from the Old Testament is found in the New testament with respect to Jesus and the Spirit. That is the source of trinitarian theology. Viewed against this backdrop, the idea that Jesus and the Spirit might be identified with each other isn't so strange."
  9. What New Testament verses existed in apostolic days? When Paul wrote "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, hat the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." in 2 Tim 3:16-17. The only scripture that existed was the Old Testament. Furthermore, Jesus and the apostles all kept the Sabbath. If Jesus is out example and he kept the Sabbath, should we not do likewise? If you say non-Jews are exempt from observing the 4th Commandment, which other commandments are we exempt from? One day, a Jew will rule the world forever and ever. What day will we worship on then?
  10. Jesus said He and the Father are One. I read that as they are "the same". Jesus is the physical manifestation of Yahweh. Every time we read of the "angel of the Lord"or the "Word of the Lord" or the visible" LORD" in the OT, it is referring to the pre-incarnate Jesus. No one has ever seen the Father. Scripture says that we would die if we looked upon the Father. He is so different from us that seeing Him would completely overwhelm our physical senses and we would die - not just faint. Just my opinion.
  11. I also belong to a group that honors the 7th day Sabbath of the Bible. We don't keep the multitude of traditions that have come down through men (like don't use hot water and don'd use light switches or elevator buttons); but we do avoid work that can be done on other days, and we spend much time in worship and study and family time. I ain't saying that is how everyone should keep the Sabbath - but it's how we keep it; and we are blessed. When looking at the things that God punished Israel for it is working on the Sabbath (violation of 4th Commandment) and worshipping other gods (violation of first commandment).
  12. I am new to this topic and am too lazy to read through the previous 18 pages. Nonetheless, it is an interesting topic. IMHO, our ONLY chance of salvation is through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and our faith that Jesus is who He says He is and did what He said He did. The only qualification I see to receiving the GIFT of eternal life in the Kingdom is believing in the Lord Jesus. REWARDS is another discussion. That Is where I believe our works will come into account. I believer there is a hierarchy in the governance of heaven, just as there is a hierarchy here. For an extreme example, I believe that guys like Moses, John the Baptist, as Paul will hold a much higher office and authority than I will, because their works done in faith far exceed mine; and they SHOULD BE rewarded for that.
  13. God bless you for your faith and faithfulness brother! You will be in my prayers.
  14. I agree with Old Coot. The best way to prepare for the end of this age is to always be ready for Jesus to come. .Pre-trib, mid-trib, or pre-wrath rapture; the truth is that the righteous will be taken to heaven prior to the end of the age. I tend to believe it will happen immediately before the seven last plagues; but that is just my opinion. If I had my way, I would already be in the Kingdom!
  15. I agree, the gifts of God will continue until they are no longer needed - in the Millennium. All of the gifts mentioned in 1 Cor. 12 are still active today. Unfortunately, the evil one has a counterfeit gift to match each real gift that Paul mentions. Concerning tongues, I was helping at a bilingual evangelistic meeting by trying to pass out earphones to people who wanted to hear the message in Spanish. The people I tried to give them to turned them down, because the message I was hearing in perfect English they were in perfect Spanish! THAT was the true gift on tongues IMHO! Concerning healing, once we were praying over an older gentleman who had fallen off his bike and hit his head, compressing several discs in his neck. All of a sudden, he cried out in pain and told us to take our hands off of him. His upper back and neck appeared to be in serious spasms! He finally settled down; and was amazed at how much better he felt - he was healed! Yes - the gifts of the spirit are still alive and well among those who believe!
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