Burning_Ember

The Panama Papers have only started to get reported on a few days ago. The Prime Minister of Iceland resigned on day two. There is enough corruption out there so that as things keep getting leaked (not just the Panama Papers), it's going to end up forcing better behaviour in government. http://cphpost.dk/news/huge-icelandic-protest-in-copenhagen-today.html

This is why it was remarkably stupid to consider sending in any ground troops. If the mistakes of the last 15 years have resulted in destabilizing the middle east, it's a good idea to not destabilize the world.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/how-drones-create-more-terrorists/278743/ See article. When more terrorists get recruited that means they can kill more people. Radicalization doesn't happen in a vacuum. It arises as a result of power vacuums and other circumstances in whatever area/region. See the article. Or the Air Force whistleblowers who are going to be in the documentary, "Drone".

Not bombing civilians, thereby taking away recruiting tools for ISIS should be common sense. When you have a force that large, making sure you don't hand them propaganda to strengthen them, when a ground invasion would be, at best, a terrible idea, is pretty important.

Oh, come on, B.E. Canada has a strong economy that stands on it's own. I think ours affects yours up there but I don't think y'all will implode if we do. We export the majority of our of our oil, natural resources, lumber, and manufacturing goods to the U.S. If the U.S. economy implodes, we stop being able to export goods, our businesses crash, we lay off people, and then we can't buy consumer goods from the U.S, which in turn further hurts the States economy. In the same way, if China's economy tanked, that means that all those tech companies based in the U.S, which sell 40-50% of their goods in the asian market would tank. China and Canada are America's biggest trading partners.

We've sat up here in Canada and watched as deregulation and right wing economic policies caused bubble after bubble and hamstrung the American economy. If Trump gets elected, the American economy will get put through the meat grinder. Please don't elect him. Canada and America have some of the most bilateral trade in the world, and the instant the American economy implodes, ours will go down with it.

People apply for jobs, for which they can get money. Ideally that job is one that is fair and gets them enough working hours and income. Just because someone would like to have a job that they feel pays fair/enough, I don't even pretend that's something that is reachable for everyone today.

Your argument then relies on the premise that every rational person in America has access to employment that they feels pays fairly and meets their needs. Prove it.

It's typical for where I live. Many places in America have far worse job prospects than anything presented in this thread, including what you've presented. You can repeat that all you like, shiloh. But nothing about accepting a job offer requires you to then "feel" that the wage you are getting for that work is fair. The only thing within that argument that is correct... Is that it is that it is implied when you accept a job is that you are agreeing to get paid that amount, not that you think that it is fair. You would otherwise be saying someone is incapable of getting paid a wage and feeling that it is unfair.

What a wonderful labour market you must live in. Here living costs are very inflated. An apartment starts at $1,250, your other base living costs for transportation ($105) below average utilities + internet ($300) basic groceries ($150) a phone ($45) brings your monthly total expenses to $1,800, which is about the lowest people around here spend getting a balanced but very marginal set of groceries. Assuming you take public transit entirely and have no car and spend no money on anything else. Let's be generous and assume that someone is making $3/hr above the minumum wage at $13.20 an hour, gets 8 hours of paid work a day, 5 days a week, and is in good health and takes zero sick days. You bring in about $2,000-$2,050 after taxes, which is just under the poverty line. In reality, your job likely earns you $12/hr, and you average 24 hours a weeks for work. which is about $1,150 a month. Whoops. That's well below the poverty line. If you split rent with another person your monthly budget might just break even. Want a better job? Good luck! That job at the coffee shop at $12 an hour you you got? You beat out not only 25 people at your skill level, but five other applicants who had six years of post secondary and six years work in way higher position they just got laid off from. Probably because you know a guy who knows the general manager. After seven years of working very hard when the economy wasn't in a total nosedive here, and being very lucky with how I'm able to sell my product(s) within the visual arts industry, I'm not in that position. But anybody who loses their job, or anyone who doesn't already have a very solid position locked up is. Which "pothole countries" are those, exactly? People also move to Canada, Australia, France, The UK, Germany, Japan, Brazil, Eastern Europe, Russia, Jordan, Turkey, Dubai... Migrant labour isn't something that just happens in America.

therelittleflower has been addressing minimum wage issues much better than I probably would be. shiloh, if you want social mobility in America, getting paid more makes a huge difference. Countries with less economic disparity, easier access to/cheaper education than the US have much greater social mobility, making it much easier to as it is said, "Fulfill the American Dream".

People are capable of more complicated thought processes than that.

The employer almost always sets the wage. It's completely possible to be paid $8/hr and not believe that is a fair wage to be paid. No part of agreeing to get paid a certain amount requires one to believe that it is a fair wage.

The idea that you think a wage is fair because you are getting paid that, is like saying you you think everything the government spends it's money on is fair, because you agreed to pay your taxes.

Well, then you aren't standing by what you said. If you say that if someone agrees to work for someone else they cannot accuse the employer of being unfair, and that you cannot set a dollar amount on what a fair wage is... But sweatshop rates and hours are too poor... Then it appears that yes, you can in fact have a legitimate complaint despite having agreed to a wage, and you can, in fact, set a dollar amount on what a fair wage would be.