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Openly Curious

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  1. I agree 100 percent that it is Mary that is being lifted up instead of Christ right from the start in the OP. Mary was not God in flesh but it was Jesus that God made flesh. Mary had the sin nature from Adam just as every one born into the world has been and are a slave to sin and death has passed upon all the human race. I can read the Word of God and can see where Mary didn't escape the wages of sin as she died a physical death she had no immaculate flesh. Mary was already a believer she wasn't suddenly born again as the OP is saying. Instead you see Mary keeping the law of God as she took Jesus to the temple to have him circumcised on the 8th day as was required by the law. Mary knew God and worshiped him as her Creator maker of heaven and earth. Mary did not die on the cross for our sins she was no sacrifice nor did she give of her body to be slain on the cross for the sins of mankind. No instead it was Jesus who was God in flesh an earthly mother but a Heavenly Father. Mary was just a humble servant to the will of God like Moses and so many others that could be named nothing Immaculate about there earthly flesh. All bodies are simply a house which the Spirit of God abides.
  2. Keep reading and studying the bible for the scriptures are able to make you wise.
  3. What you believe is very "relevant". Because it is what you are teaching others in your post. If what you believe is irrelevant as you say that it is, then why are you putting so much effort in trying to prove what you are saying is the truth. When it comes to the book of life there will be many who think their names are still in the book of life but will be shocked. There are those in the world perhaps those in your stories may find their names are still in the book of life. One thing I have learned through the years is that I am not a mind reader of the thoughts and intents that are in another persons heart. I don't know every thought and therefore I am disqualified to judge those who do think of committing suicide nor to judge the souls of those who have committed suicide and died from it. If you want to stand as a judge, jurer and prosecution of those who commit suicide without having all the facts. It's possible you in return will be judged likewise in the same way by God. I would caution that giving heed to one's own name being removed would be in order.
  4. So you believe that a person who commits suicide cannot be forgiven at all? Perhaps a person commits suicide and doesn't die a quick death and while waiting to die the person begins to be sorrowful during that time period and asks for forgiveness. But still the person dies as a result of suicide by his own hand. No one can really see what goes on within the heart of another except by God the judge of us all, as He alone knows the secret intents of our hearts
  5. Yes the angels themselves would give warning not to worship them. For they themselves are a created being of God, but they are not God, only his ministering spirits sent forth on God's behalf.
  6. Personally I would be more concerned about entertaining angels unawares which can come to us in any form, than being concerned about the angels pure form being scary or beautiful. What difference does it make?
  7. There is such a thing as a healthy fear and it is good to have.
  8. Acts 23:6-9 - But when Paul percieved that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part rose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God (the whole text should be Acts 22:30-23:1-11) Paul had been brought down before the Sanhedrin and earnestly standing before them began to say to them that he lived with a good conscious before God until that day. Ananias who was the high priest there commanded those who stood by Paul to smite him in his mouth for saying he was not guilty of breaking the law. Then Paul spoke back to Ananias and said God would smite him and then called him a whited wall because he sat in the council to judge him after the law and commanded that he be smitten for saying he was innocent of breaking the law. Those that was around Paul told him Revilest thou God's high priest, speaking of Ananias. Paul then said I wist not brethren that he was the high priest: for it is written Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. Paul came to realize in the midst of this that one part of the council before him was part Sadducees and the other part of the council were Pharisees. Whenever Paul realized that he cried or yelled out in the council that he himself was a Pharisee, he was the son of a Pharisee who believed also in the hope of the resurrection of the dead and for that belief he was called in for question. Of course that caused a stir between the two groups as well as the rest of the crowd there. The Sadducess believed that there was no resurrection, neither believed in the spirits of angels nor did they believe that we have a spirit living within our fleshly body. They don't believe in the bodily resurrection or spirits of any kind. The Pharisees on the other hand did believe in both the bodily resurrection and in the spirits of angels and people. When the word "spirit" is used in verse 8 it is referring to the spirit of a person or the life of a person. We are made up of body soul and spirit.
  9. News flash, all of your questions do not prove one thing. I'm a Christian because I believe in my Creator. Who caused a literally flood to happen during Noah's time here on earth. Which Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord as he and his family being 8 souls were saved in the ark saved from the death of the flood. Reading one's bible with faith instead of unbelief would make a believer to see the truth given to us in scripture themselves that God started over again the human race with 8 souls that he saved on the ark being Noah and his family members. Evolution is against what the scriptures teach and is a flat outright lie from this acclaimed Catholic in the OP.
  10. I would suggest you read the entire book of Ecclesiastes. It is a short book of just twelve chapters which gives a conclusion at the end of it that I believe will give you some clarity in the vein in which you are seeking. blessings
  11. You openly disagreed with scripture that said our righteous are as filthy rags and defended your opposition by saying every word in the bible are not the actual words of God Himself. You said men were just inspired to write insinuating some of their comments were personal thoughts.
  12. That is not even correct. The Bible always had 66 books. But the original KJV bible included 14 of the apocrypha books in the middle, and were never considered fully scripture. The original KJV bible had 80 books and 14 books were not part of the 66 books of the cannon. You are reducing the cannon down to inspired messages that contain elements of truth but are not perfect. You have even opposed the Bible itself as being truth.
  13. Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Isaiah 64:6 - But we are "all" as an unclean thing and "all" our righteousness are as "filthy rags;" and we "all" do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. One can err not knowing the scripture or believing them. I choose to believe in the inerrancy of the word of God. Which is freedom from error or untruths and infallibility. We here at Worthy Boards believe in the inerrancy of the 66 books of the cannon. At least you were being honest, in quoting that you however, do not believe in the inerrancy of scripture.
  14. Yes, but you have to know, what is sin?...to determine your guilt or innocence. Let me say also that we all have fallen short of God's righteousness and even at our best our righteousness is as filthy rages. There were no laws given except one in the garden which was not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Of course Adam disobeyed that one law, thus death passed upon all men that would ever be born into this world from that time forward. Everyone born into this world would also be born with a sin nature dead spiritually toward God a slave to sin. Adam was expelled from the garden of Eden and it's location is now unknown. From the fall in the garden up until the time of the Old Covenant law of Moses was given. There were no laws of God given in which to obey or disobey. When the law of Moses was finally given then there was knowledge of what sin was and if you broke God's laws you became guilty of sin. The law became our schoolmaster showing and teaching mankind what sin was. Hence from the time from Adam in the garden up till the time of the giving of the law of Moses. There was no law in which to be guilty as scripture is teaching in.... Romans 5:13 - for until the law...sin was in the world...but sin is not imputed...when there is no law. In other words sin was already in this world before the law of Moses was given from Adam diobedience. Because there was no laws given of any kind for mankind to obey or disobey, from the particular time period from Adam unto the giving of the Law of Moses. Sin could not be charged against them in any way if they didn't have the law telling them what was sin. All that changed when God gave to Moses the very laws the children of Israel were to obey. If they then disobeyed then it would be charged to their account.
  15. Sin and temptation entered into the world for the first time when Adam ate of the fruit from the forbidden tree he was warned not to eat of it, and the day he did he would surely die, being a physical death. Both disobedience (sin, breaking God's law) and death entered into the world from the time of the fall in the garden up until the Law had even been given yet by Moses. From the fall in the garden up unto the Law had been given, both sin and death had entered the world and was abounding, growing more and more increasing in this world. But during that time period up until the Law of Moses was given sin could not be imputed within a person because there was no Law in which to hold a person accountable for there sin they committed. No one knew what sin was until the law was given by Moses telling us what sin was and it's consequences. Once the Law of Moses was put in place then people could be held accountable for their sins as they follow and practiced what was in the Law of Moses. When the law of Moses was then put in place all one had to do to obtain righteous or have it imputed to your account was to keep and practice what was in the Law of Moses. Abraham believed God by faith and it was imputed unto him as righteousness. But you have to remember that God made a covenant with Abraham before the Law or old covenant ever came into existence. Since God had a covenant with Abraham by faith before the Law was given. The Old Covenant Law did not disannul the covenant promise God made with Abraham. It was through Abraham's seed (Jesus Christ) would come into the world as Saviour bringing in a new and better covenant with better promises and all one has to do is call on the name of the Lord and believe by faith and the righteousness of Christ will be imputed unto us as with faithful Abraham. The thing was that the Law of Moses never could make one righteous on the inside nor take away the guilt of sin. The Law was our Teacher until Jesus was born into this world to shed his blood on the cross as he gave (sacrificed) his own body to buy us back from the curse of the Law. The old covenant with it's laws was never meant to make us righteous within. There was no law that one could make up to follow and practice outwardly that could ever make one righteous by faith for it takes Christ to imput the righteousness of God within our hearts and take the guilt of our sins away.
  16. I don't think it will hurt anything to answer any of the questions even though they are old threads. Others are reading the answers and can learn something. Just have to bear in mind you are not talking to the OP of the thread but instead expounding the scriptures asked about.
  17. You have to understand that Satan (the accuser of the brethren) had went to God accusing Job of only serving him because of the great wealth in which he had been given. God knew that wasn't true about Job as he loved God and served him with his whole heart and not because of his abundant wealth. Satan wanted to test Job to prove it to God but he couldn't because he had a hedge of protection around him to where Satan couldn't get to him. God gave Satan permission to test Job and took the hedge of protection away from him. Thus allowing Satan to test him and said he could do whatever he wanted but he could not take his life. Yes I do. It tells us in the book of James 1 to "Count it all joy when ye fall into divers (different types) temptations..Knowing this, that the trying (testing) of your faith works patience. It is Satan that comes to us with all kinds of temptations (testings) trying his best to get us to turn our faith from God. All through Jobs trials and all that Satan put him through trying to get him to curse God and die he stayed true to him because he loved him. Job knew as soon as those skin worms ate up his flesh he would see his Creator and Maker face to face. Job not because of any of his possession but in the place of brokeness chose to keep his faith in God as he said though God slay me yet will I trust him. First it would be beneficial for you to read James chapter one. As it tells us that every good and perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights. It tells also that it is not God who tempts us or test us or puts us on trial to see if we will abandon the faith. It is Satan who does that. Yes God will allow Satan to test us it could be through the death of a loved one, it could be the devastation of divorce, it could be murder, through sicknesses and diseases and it could be through many of the vast sufferings that we all know and do go through in this life that happen in this world, as Satan wants us to give up our faith in God and serve him instead through out all the different sufferings and trials we all are faced with on a day to day basis. Satan was accusing Job of serving God only because of his wealth which was not true. God wanted to demonstrate (show) Satan first hand that his false accusation toward Job was nothing but a lie. God wanted to prove it without a doubt to Satan that Job was a righteous man and did not serve him only because of his wealth, so God allow Satan to test him. Satan could do anything he wanted to Job except take his life from him. In the end Satan was proved a liar as he has been from the beginning. Sitting with nothing after Satan took all he had from him was wrong about God's servant Job as he said though God slay me yet will I trust him. The whole time it was Satan putting him on trial for his faith in God all the sufferings he went through was to cause him to turn his back on God. But in the end of his sufferings God restored to Job double of all that he lost. It is no different with us today Satan still goes to God accusing the saints before God, and through our sufferings we go through what ever they may be in this life are designed for the soul purpose of getting us to turn from God. Some people succumb to the various sufferings or testings in life whenever being put on trial by Satan and give up the faith. Some have turned aside from God just for losing their job as they think it was God being mean to them. But those that endure to the end shall be saved. Apostle Paul said of his various trials and sufferings he was having to endure for the sake of the gospel that HIS grace is sufficient and the grace of God is sufficient for all that Satan is doing in our lives to destroy our faith. But we know that the trying of our faith worketh patience. The hardest thing for us sometimes is simply waiting on God to bring us through our suffering. But we have an advocate (lawyer) with the Father and he is proving all the false allegations he has brought against each of us false.
  18. The the two strangers that Lot was protecting were actually angels of God that had been sent to the city. It was better in the eyes of God that a natural relationship would take place between Lot's daughter's and the men, than for an unatural relationship to take place between the angels of God and the men. Remember Genesis 6. The men wanted to literally abuse the angels of God all that night but Lot protected them from that unholy union.
  19. Scripture is pretty clear about providing for our own household as someone has already mentioned and given the scripture reference. It matters not how much money one makes more than the other as long as your needs are being met and the bills are paid. Certainly nothing to be fighting over.
  20. And I didn't think you got my humor by saying "Prove It" as a serious response. Live and learn lol
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