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  1. Lord I come to you today to ask forgiveness we humble ourselves Lord and ask you to heal our nation. We ask your forgiveness for the murder of millions of babies Lord please forgive us. We ask Lord that you forgive us for being Luke Warm and please bring us to our knees Lord so that we may once again allow your Holy Spirit to work in our lives. Lord we ask you to take the bitterness of our nation and bring us together again. Lord we are sorry for taking you out of our Government our Schools our Colleges and our Churches and we ask you to forgive us for the Prosperity messages yes we Lord are guilty for thinking of only ourselves. We humble ourselves and ask you to forgive us for not praying enough and talking to you Lord. Please forgive us for not reading your word and learning more about you and your ways. We have sinned greatly as a nation against the Lord our God in the words of Charles Spurgeon, Prayer pulls the rope below and the great bell rings above in the ears of God. Some scarcely stir the bell, for they pray so languidly. Others give but an occasional pluck at the rope. But he who wins with heaven is the man who grasps the rope boldly and pulls continuously, with all his might.
  2. Heaven will be for those who are saved by believing and confessing Christ is the son of God his free gift to us. John 3:16 but heaven will be there even when people are in hell for rejecting this free gift and that is sad 2 different places one way to salvation.
  3. Dad wants to be cremated but my sisters are against this should I fight for my fathers right to be cremated or give into my sisters. Dad will not put it in his will. What does God say about it, is cremation ok or who cares we all go to dust anyway. Comments welcome.
  4. Great quote! The bride I wonder since Jesus referred to us as the bride how does it make him fill if we do not follow his commandments, good thing he is a Loving savior because I fall short time and time again
  5. anger and drug related crimes since man has been on the earth all this took place. Today people are sacrificed to satan you may not see it on the news but it's happening slavery is still in existence in most country's and again it's hidden. Just a little over 100 years ago bounties were place on Native Americans by local Governments. Our world is a sad sick place and it's important to have a right relationship with Christ God Bless
  6. Prosperity Gospel has become the norm these days, most pastors will not talk about the sins of man repent be baptized in the name of Jesus. I had a pastor in the late 1970's who spoke on sin and gay sin as well and he began to get death threats from local LBGQ community they knew where he lived the fear took over with so many death threats he quit preaching on that sin. That's the world we live in and it's 100 times worse today that's why preachers will not Comden some sin. Now the Government will come after you as well, hate crime. I lived in Wisconsin in 2009 and read an article about a Gay man who got saved and saw a bumper sticker on a car at a car wash gay is great. He went to the man and gave his testimony how God delivered him from that life style and how he could be transformed by God. The guy sued him for a hate crime for $8,000.00 and won that my friend is our world today. So Jesus was right if you follow me you will be hated persecuted and killed in my name.
  7. Pretty darn bad billions killed in wars millions killed by Abortion millions killed by anger drugs anytime a government puts a bounty on people how bad can it be plus killing in the name of the Lord and Allah plus 1,000's of other Gods and dictators killing millions 100,000 of thousands killed by human sacrifices to gods slaves killed all over the world so tell me no how bad is this world.
  8. I know there is a lot of controversy with this verse 2 Corinthians 5:8 but how can one explain this when Jesus himself said to the thief on the cross today you will be with me in paradise. He is no different from us a forgiven sinner. The rich man was on the other side of the gulf and Lazarus in Abrahams bosom was able to see him as he to was in heaven. Luke 16: 19-31 Some say when we die we sleep but above the thief did not sleep!
  9. We are so very close now to the rapture of the ready saints of God, one can almost taste it. Whats been prophesied about for two thousand years now, is finally almost upon us. The second coming of Christ has to happen otherwise the bible can't be trusted at all. The fact is however hundreds of prohesies have already come true, so what we know is the bible can be trusted and there never been a book like the bible where predictions have come to pass with 100% accuracy. The rapture is simply the first phase of Jesus second coming. The following is a quick study of what is just upon us, there will be much more coming on this soon, even in book form. I pray this will change your outlook on what going on in the world right now, or better yet confirm it. This is about the return of our Lord and specifically the pre-tribulation rapture of the ready watching church which is almost upon us. This doctrine has been under attack lately and I want to show you why it is still a valid doctrine scripturally. We are getting deeper into Revelation and I am going to show you why I believe the 5th seal has already been broken and the rapture and the sixth seal is next on the agenda. Not that we are looking for any particular sign because his return is immanent, but we need to know where we are in the time line of scripture and events, so we don't get deceived by anyone regardless of their motives. You may have heard David Wilkerson's recent prophesy where he foresaw fires coming to the cites of the world. If you haven't I will include just a bit of it here, but it was very short anyway. It can be seen in full at www.worldchallenge.org. I don't think this is describing a nuclear or enemy attack and I will show you in scripture why. He isn't saying this either, but some will conclude this because much of the time we seem eager to credit things that man can do instead of what God himself is going to do directly. Of course David Wilkerson is not the only one who is being given visions and dreams about the end times. There are others, including someone from my own church, who have had dreams of fires coming to the earth. Another pastor friend of mine recently had a dream/vision of the sign of Jesus return as spoken of in Matt. 24:30. He said it seemed so real he thought he had returned. Dave Wilkerson gave another prophesy a few years back that was directly from the book of Revelation in where he said the cities of the world would fall and everything as we know it in the span of an hour would collapse. Part of Rev. 18:17 reads (and all my quoted scripture will be in the NCV unless otherwise noted) : “In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin.....”, speaking of the great city of Babylon and all the other cities of the world, that would fall in the last seven years of man as we know it. So this older prophesy now, is about the end of the seven year tribulation when America and most of the world falls as well. My point here is, his prophesies are always based on scripture so they can be trusted. Here is an excerpt from his recent letter and prophesy quoting: “I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world. AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE — EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US. For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires — such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago. There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting — including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written, 'If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?' (v. 3). God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations". -End quote- Okay, this is fine, but can it be matched up with any prophesy in the bible like his others do? Answer: Yes, it can and I will show you where it does. Also what's to note here is not so much the fires in America, but the entire world. If it was just America, it would lead one to believe a nuclear or some other attack, but since it's worldwide, this is most likely supernatural. I believe this latest prophesy from Dave Wilkerson is not about the end of the seven year tribulation but the beginning. This brings me to discuss the beginning of the tribulation which is almost on us now. It is my belief that the 5th seal is already been broken and I believe we are living in between the 5th and the 6th seals and here is the evidence for this. At the breaking of the fifth seal in Rev. 6:9 we see the cry of the martyrs. They ask the Lord, how long will it be until he judges the earth for their murders. Jesus tells them to wait until their number to be killed as they are is complete and that does not complete until the antichrist kills all who won't accept his mark in Rev.13:15 which is approx. halfway through the last seven years. The glaring point here is, this question would have never been asked if the last seven year tribulation had already begun, because they would have known for themselves the answer to this question, for all true Christians know that once the great tribulation starts, there is just but seven short years left. So what we must conclude here is this seal is broken long before the last seven years starts. The only question is how long and certainly we know that there have been Martyrs since Jesus day, in fact there have been 70 million. The reason they asked the question is because just like Jesus, they don't know the day or the hour of the rapture of the church which starts the beginning of the last seven years. So for the many of us who have previously believed, or more accurately we have probably just assumed that the first seal has to start the beginning of the tribulation as did I, lets take a closer look at all of this again. First of all lets define what the word “rapture” means, because some say it does not appear in the bible. The word trinity does not appear either, but there is nothing wrong with us assigning todays language with past truths. Rapture is derived from the Latin word raptu, which means “caught away or caught up”. This is describing what happens to the pre-tribulation rapture ready church. In Revelation 6:12 & 7:14 at the breaking of the sixth seal and also in Matthew 24:29, Jesus and John are both talking about the same event, the pre-tribulation rapture of the church. The fact that most Christians have not recognized these two passages as containing a description of the pre-tribulation rapture don't negate it's importance. Because we have not identified it clearly in scripture, it has caused much confusion. If we can't see in scripture when this event happens, then much of the other prophesy surrounding it will also be misunderstood, misplaced and mis-interpreted. Because there are two separate “day of the Lord events” described in the bible, we need to find out which scriptures match with the first one (the rapture), and which ones match up with the second one (the actual physical 2nd coming of Jesus with the saints on white horseback in Rev.19:19). If we don't match them correctly or assign the wrong ones with the wrong event, it can skew the entire study. Part 2...... There has been a lot made of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ in Christendom and with good reason, because it's a big deal. Just how big a deal seems to be a bone of contention among some who profess to believe in this doctrine. Jesus told us everything we would need to know about when he would return so we would not be caught off guard when he calls. The only thing he left out was the exact day and hour of the 1st phase of this occurrence. He did not do this because he is cruel, but simply because he himself does not know the exact hour or day as only his father does. However just because he does not know the day, does not mean he does not know the general time frame or season, as well as the happenings that would surround his return. He also knows when in the sequence of scriptural events that it occurs because he wrote it and we can see where it is, if we choose to open our eyes fully. Knowing when in the sequence of other events does not tell us the day or hour either, however it is extremely important, because it tells us where we are on the time line of all things. The reason he knows these things, is because he is the one who causes them to occur. Also just because we do not know the day or the hour, does not mean we were not told when in the sequence of other end time events that it would occur. We were also told about many other signs that would be occurring right before it happens so we would not be caught unaware. What I am going to submit to you here is, all of these signs are occurring now and have been for some time. We for the most part in Christendom have had our heads in the sand and have been fiddling while Rome is burning. Jesus and his many other messengers, the disciples and apostles, told us many things about his return including even when in events in scripture it occurs. 2000 years have past and we have come up with basically three explanations of when people think he may return. Problem is only one can be correct. If you don't think it's important to find out which one is the correct position, you may wish you had known if you are wrong and left holding a false teaching. Some think it's not that important to know exactly when he's coming, as long as when he does come you are ready. There is some truth to this, but only knowing some truth as opposed to all the truth can be dangerous. Some who choose to take sides attack others without the entire picture to back up their positions. A common mistake that some make is taking only one scripture or thought process and making that into the entire doctrine that they adhere to, whatever it might be. In the case of the 2nd coming, we find some scripture that talks about how some holy people have to persevere to the end of the tribulation period to gain their Salvation. So what has happened is, some believe that all Christians have to endure to the end of the tribulation to be saved. But what they have failed to recognize is, there are more than one group of people talked about in end times Revelation prophesy. So while it's true, some will in fact have to endure to the very end, what is very plain in other scripture, is some won't, because there are other scriptures that tell us at least some are leaving early. Since all scripture is true, it's not one or the other that's correct, but all. We also need to recognize two major groups in the bible who are given what seem to be two different messages about end times prophesy. The first group is the original Old Testament elect, the nation of Israel, who's people is the Jews. The second group is the church that was formed in the 1st century, some of whom were Jews as well, but they offered the invitation of God's good news of Salvation to all, both Jew and non-Jew who they called Gentiles. There are three basic camps or beliefs that are as follows and I will try and keep this simple instead of using theologian talk, but before we explore this in more detail we need to recognize why there are three groups or factions to start with. One of the reasons why there are so many beliefs is because some refuse to take the bible literally. This especially true with Revelation prophesy, because of it's occasional symbolism. What they fail to realize is, almost all Revelatory symbolism is explained almost immediately after the symbol is identified, right in the same passage. Another thing that some do is, they see in Revelation that there is a numerical, sequential and chronological order to things, but the refuse to follow the order. They do this because they do not want to be dogmatic(strict) about the order, as if they do, they would have to admit to some things that they would rather not do. IE: If you look at the 6th seal of Revelation which spans chapters six and seven, you would find a massive group of people from every part of the world that is seen in heaven. We are even told who they are and where they came from! But do you think theologians can read this and realize that it describes a giant catching away, Rapture like event? Even though the evidence is overwhelming and clear, they refuse to recognize this. But why do they fail? Here are some reasons with first an explanation of the three factions. 1. Some believe that Jesus is coming before the last great tribulation begins, these people are known as Pre-tribulation Rapture believers. 2. Some think that he is coming sometime in the middle of the tribulation period, perhaps after the 7th angel trumpet, these are called mid-tribbers. 3. Some think that he is coming sometime closer to the end of the tribulation period and they are known as post tribulationists. There are be some who believe in no rapture at all, possibly because they are tired of the bickering among the other groups, but they are a smaller number, so we are mainly looking at three main camps. We will look at the many scriptures that pertain to this doctrine so you can make up your own mind, but a few basics first. The reason there is three camps to start with, is because they are looking at certain scriptures to bolster their positions. It's not that they don't have scripture that they are standing on, the problem is, some refuse to acknowledge all scripture on the subject and you can take this to other church doctrine as well. This is also one reason why there are so many church denominations. But if they would all recognize that the the bible shows us a 6th seal Rapture, it would cause the following tumult. The pre-tribbers haven't recognized it, because they think a 6th seal Rapture means that Christians may have to live through a part of the last great tribulation, so they think this 6th seal Rapture, is occurring too late for their liking. What they fail to realize is, the tribulation does not start until after the 6th seal. The mid-tribbers won't recognize the 6th seal Rapture, because to them, it occurs too early still, and they want to adhere to the 'last trumpet' Rapture, which they think occurs after the 7th angel trumpet in chapter eight of Revelation. What they fail to realize is, the 7th angel trumpet is a judgment for those left on the earth and the Rapture is a reward. Also they miss that an angel does not blow 'the last trumpet', instead Jesus blows the Rapture trumpet himself. But he does this by not even blowing an actual trumpet, but just using his voice which sounds like a trumpet as described in the 1st and 2nd chapter of Revelation. He will do one call, in three manifestations, to call his ready followers to meet him in the air. The post-tribbers won't recognize a 6th seal Rapture, because they think all Christians must endure to the end to be saved and a 6th seal Rapture is just much too soon. What they fail to realize is, everyone's end is different. For some their end is today! 500 Christians are Martyred everyday to add to the already 70 million who went on before them. Now with another new study out telling people that some poll says most “Christians,” don't believe Jesus is coming until 2050, and it's no wonder few are ready for what is just about to happen. Jesus said he would come at a time when we least expect it. Well if most are expecting him for 40 more years, then his coming now would fulfill this scripture and truly this is exactly what is about to happen. All the signs of this coming are going on all around us. From the plans to rebuild the final tribulation temple in Jerusalem, to the earthquakes, volcanoes, riots, wars and rumors of wars, there has never been an intensity and multiplied number of all these signs together as there is now. Why? Because the 6th seal Pre-tribulation Rapture is about to occur and it will come as most of the American church said no not now Jesus, we don't believe that, we have lives to live. But it will happen none the less and many will wonder why their Pastors, Priests and Rabbis, who are all paid to do so, did not tell them the whole truth about something so simple to just read and believe. There are going to be many angry church going people who are going to wonder why someone did not tell them the whole truth. Now one of these three beliefs requires more faith to believe it than the other two. With two of the three all you have to do is wait for a few major signs, such as the 1st trumpet judgment where fire burns up 1/3 of the earth, or the 2nd trumpet where 1/3 of the water turn to blood and 1/3 of all the ships and sea life die, to realize that Jesus is on his way. This stance which is more of a mid tribulation stance, would simply require sight to notice the major signs. Problem is, it negates Jesus coming as a thief as he said he would and takes less faith to believe in, than those who believe Jesus is coming sooner with less of a notice. With the post tribulation stance you just wait for even more obvious major signs like the 5th trumpet where a demonic army wipes out 2 billion people, then the Mark of the beast is initiated, millions are beheaded for their faith, and all the water is turned to blood etc., as the punishments get progressively worse. This takes even less faith than the mid tribulation stance and you don't even have to look for Jesus return, you just wait for the Antichrist to come on to the scene as he wreaks havoc. The Pre-tribulation stance takes the most faith of all, but if you know your scripture well enough, you will think it's madness to believe anything but. So now I have compiled all the scriptures pertaining to the soon coming catching away of the ready watching saints, into one study here. This is an amazing thing to do and when you see it all put together like this it paints a much clearer picture. You might not have known that the Old Testament does have a few scriptures that pertain to this event. Whether or not the the prophets Isiah or Joel knew that they were talking about the Rapture event or not, does not really matter, they probably didn't. However they likely knew that they were at least talking about future events. They probably knew when they were talking out their own people, the Jews, who would be punished for their sins and turning their backs on God, but that God would some day call them back to himself again and they would repopulate the earth as was promised to them to Abraham in Genesis. But starting with Isiah lets look at the details of some of what happens during the Rapture event of Revelation's 6th and 7th chapters as we match up the wording with all like scripture and see how it all gets fulfilled in Revelation. Isiah.13:10 reads: “The stars will not show their light; the skies will be dark. The sun will grow dark as it rises, and the moon will not give its light”. Then Is.34:4 reads: “ The sun, moon, and stars will dissolve, and the sky will be rolled up like a scroll. The stars will fall like dead leaves from a vine or dried-up figs from a fig tree”. We see this same language at the breaking of the sixth seal of Revelation 6:13-14 because it it where it gets fulfilled. “And the stars in the sky fell to the earth like figs falling from a fig tree when the wind blows.” The sky disappeared as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Is 24:23 tells us about the sun and the moon: “The moon will be embarrassed and the sun will be ashamed. Because the Lord All-powerful will rule as king on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. Jerusalem's leaders will see his greatness”. Joel 2:31 reads: The sun will become dark, the moon red as blood, before the overwhelming and terrible day of the Lord comes”. There is more than one terrible or great day of the Lord in end times prophesy. The first one is the day after the Rapture at the breaking of the 6th seal. The second one is at the battle of Armageddon in Revelation chapter 19, but as we will see later, there will be far less people even alive at Revelation chapter 19, after most of the world has been killed by the various punishments. Here in Revelation 6:16-17, the people proclaim themselves what day this is, because as we will see later, they just saw Jesus collect his followers in the air. They proclaim as they call to the mountains and rocks: "Fall on us. Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb! The great day for their anger has come, and who can stand against it?" Jesus with more similar wording in Matthew and speaking in veryclear words of what he will do when he collects the ready 24:28-30 said: "Soon after the trouble of those days, 'the sun will grow dark, and the moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from the sky. And the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” “At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the peoples of the world will cry. They will see the Son of Man coming on clouds in the sky with great power and glory. He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all around the earth, and they will gather his chosen people from every part of the world”. In Matthew 25:10, we see how Jesus told us that some in the church would be left behind if they were not ready spiritually: “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went with the bridegroom to the wedding feast, then the door was closed and locked.” Mark 13:24-26 is identical to Matthew 24:28-30. In Luke 12:39-40 Jesus talked again about being ready for his return: 39 "Remember this: If the owner of the house knew what time a thief was coming, he would not allow the thief to enter his house. 40 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at a time when you don't expect him!" Jesus in describing what life will be like when he returns said in Luke :17:24-36: 24. "When the Son of Man comes again, he will shine like lightning, which flashes across the sky and lights it up from one side to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by the people of this time.26 When the Son of Man comes again, it will be as it was when Noah lived.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying, and giving their children to be married until the day Noah entered the boat. Then the flood came and killed them all.28 It will be the same as during the time of Lot. People were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, and building.29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from the sky and killed them all. 30 This is how it will be when the Son of Man comes again. This is simply describing normal life and even the good life which will be absent after he takes his ready ones out of the world for the final great testing period. We can look at our current times and economy and realize that though it is down from it's high, we can still eat, drink, get married, buy, sell, plant and build. He continues in verse 31: 31 "On that day, a person who is on the roof and whose belongings are in the house should not go inside to get them. A person who is in the field should not go back home. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Those who try to keep their lives will lose them. But those who give up their lives will save them.34 I tell you, on that night two people will be sleeping in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be taken, and the other will be left. 36 Two people will be in the field. One will be taken, and the other will be left." Jesus is speaking more to the attitude of the heart and general readiness of the people. If one is more concerned with the material things of this life than the spiritual, they will not be ready and therefore will be left behind as Lot's wife was. Lot's wife looked back on Sodom after being told not to and she was turned into a pillar of salt. Anyone with the same attitude as she had which was to love the sinful life, more than the holy life, will be left behind to see if they can get it right. We also see as in chapter 25 of Matthew, one will be taken and the other left. This could actually mean half the church will be taken and the other left. That remains to be seen of course, but for sure we know not all professing Christians are going, instead many will be left behind. It is possible that they will be saved later on however, because as many as one billion tribulation saints will be beheaded by the Antichrist and thereby purchase their Salvation, by becoming willing Martyrs. In Luke 21:25-28, Jesus tells us what will be going on all around us when he snatches away his ready followers. This is all happening now with the earthquakes, riots, volcanoes and other supernatural disasters : 25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On earth, nations will be afraid and confused because of the roar and fury of the sea. 26 People will be so afraid they will faint, wondering what is happening to the world, because the powers of the heavens will be shaken.27 Then people will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Then Jesus gives the timing on the when. He says when the begin to happen look up, not in the middle or near the end, but when they begin. 28 When these things begin to happen, look up and hold your heads high, because the time when God will free you is near!" Luke 21:34-36: 34 "Be careful not to spend your time feasting, drinking, or worrying about worldly things. If you do, that day might come on you suddenly, 35 like a trap on all people on earth. 36 So be ready all the time. Pray that you will be strong enough to escape all these things that will happen and that you will be able to stand before the Son of Man." More incredible proof that some are leaving early be escaping before the worst happens. Pray that you will be strong enough to escape, tells us that some are definitely leaving early, but we have to be strong enough by keeping our white robes of Salvation clean. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52: 51 “But look! I tell you this secret: We will not all sleep in death, but we will all be changed.52 It will take only a second—as quickly as an eye blinks—when the last trumpet sounds. The trumpet will sound, and those who have died will be raised to live forever, and we will all be changed.” Note: This is the last trump of God being blown here by Jesus himself, not by an angel. The seven angel trumpet blasts are incurring punishments during the tribulation period, the call to heaven by Jesus, is not a punishment, so must be separated out from the others. More on this in just a bit. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18: “The Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And those who have died believing in Christ will rise first.17 After that, we who are still alive will be gathered up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever.18 So encourage each other with these words.” This is the trumpet that Jesus will be blowing himself to call his elect to himself, but notice how it is described as three separate things: He himself gives: 1. A loud command. 2. also in the voice of the archangel. 3. And with the trumpet call of God. A fair question to ask here is, how can he do all three simultaneously? Well what if his voice sounded like a trumpet? Is this a possibility? In Revelation 1:10 it reads: “On the Lord's day I was in the Spirit, and I heard a loud voice behind me that sounded like a trumpet”. Also in Revelation 4:1 it reads : “After the vision of these things I looked, and there before me was an open door in heaven. And the same voice that spoke to me before, that sounded like a trumpet, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.” Answer: Yes a voice can sound like a trumpet, especially when it is Jesus who can do anything. Paul continues in1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 by telling us Jesus is coming 'like a thief' and by the way, because he is coming 'like a thief' this is not referring to the secrecy of a thief, but the surprise of a thief. We will see in just a bit how everyone sees the Rapture event, it will be no secret at all. 1 “Now, brothers and sisters, we do not need to write you about times and dates.2 You know very well that the day the Lord comes again will be a surprise, like a thief that comes in the night.3 While people are saying, "We have peace and we are safe," they will be destroyed quickly. It is like pains that come quickly to a woman having a baby. Those people will not escape.4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not living in darkness, and so that day will not surprise you like a thief.” Again Paul like Jesus is talking about escape here. In fact a great escape. Lets also realize that escape means to not be there physically, not to be protected during. Some are escaping, some are staying. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8, is talking about something that needs to happen before Jesus can come, specifically the taking out of the way of a restrainer of evil. Many think it could be the Holy Spirit in the lives of the ready who will be removed, because he is called 'he' and this is certainly a possibility. But it could also be a powerful angel. Many times in the bible we see angels restraining evil. “Do not let anyone fool you in any way. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens and the Man of Evil, who is on his way to hell, appears. 4 He will be against and put himself above any so-called god or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God”. 5 “I told you when I was with you that all this would happen. Do you not remember?6 And now you know what is stopping that Man of Evil so he will appear at the right time.7 The secret power of evil is already working in the world, but there is one who is stopping that power. And he will continue to stop it until he is taken out of the way.8 Then that Man of Evil will appear, and the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath that comes from his mouth and will destroy him with the glory of his coming”. It does not take a doctorate in theology to see that the growing apostasy in the church now has already taken root and many have already turning away from God. Also the Antichrist may already be revealed as revealed or appearing does not necessarily mean identification. Jesus appeared at his birth, but he was not revealed fully until much later in his life. Even when the Antichrist is fully identified by the fatal head wound and signs the seven year peace treaty with Israel, still people will deny who he is and he will never be identified as such in the media as he will control it. In 2 Timothy 3:1-5 Paul describes what people will be like. I think we can see this now if we are honest and looking: 1 “Remember this! In the last days there will be many troubles,2 because people will love themselves, love money, brag, and be proud. They will say evil things against others and will not obey their parents or be thankful or be the kind of people God wants.3 They will not love others, will refuse to forgive, will gossip, and will not control themselves. They will be cruel, will hate what is good,4 will turn against their friends, and will do foolish things without thinking. They will be conceited, will love pleasure instead of God,5 and will act as if they serve God but will not have his power. Stay away from those people”. Many have a form of religion, but deny the power of real religion, which is the power of the Holy Spirit in the believers life. Many in the church today believe that this power is not even needed. They tell others they have enough of it, or that it was only for the first century church. This is a dangerous belief and doctrine. We need more of his Holy Spirit as the day of the Rapture approaches, not less. Paul in Titus 2:11-13 said: “That is the way we should live, because God's grace that can save everyone has come. 12 It teaches us not to live against God nor to do the evil things the world wants to do. Instead, that grace teaches us to live in the present age in a wise and right way and in a way that shows we serve God. 13 We should live like that while we wait for our great hope and the coming of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”. This is the blessed hope that all true Christians are to be thinking on. Not thinking on it can turn even the best of intentions, into the scoffing of this immanent event. There are many scoffers in the church now as we were told there would be right before his return. 2 Peter 3:3 then 3:8 also reads from Peter: ”First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance”. Peter also said in 2 Peter 3:10-11: 10 “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The skies will disappear with a loud noise. Everything in them will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be exposed. 11 In that way everything will be destroyed. So what kind of people should you be? You should live holy lives and serve God” Finally in Revelation we see all of these Rapture verses fulfilled and move toward the actual event. Revelation 1:7 reads with John the Revelator saying: “ Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds, and everyone will see him, even those who stabbed him. And all peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen”. Notice how John tells us everyone will see him even those who stabbed him, and where are they now? Dead and in hell unless they repented. How will they be able to see him? Supernaturally as will everyone else, as the sky is rolled back like a scroll or a curtain. The Rapture will not be a secret event at all. Then John in the seven Revelatory letters to the churches gives more insight on some who are leaving and some who are staying, to those who refuse to get holy and keep their white robes clean by constant repentance if needed, he says in Revelation 3:3: 3 “So do not forget what you have received and heard. Obey it, and change your hearts and lives. So you must wake up, or I will come like a thief, and you will not know when I will come to you.” But to those who obey he makes a promise in Revelation 3:10-11: 10 “You have obeyed my teaching about not giving up your faith. So I will keep you from the time of trouble that will come to the whole world to test those who live on earth. 11. "I am coming soon. Continue strong in your faith so no one will take away your crown”. Some will be 'kept from' the time of trouble, much like the escape wording. IE:To keep your child from going to school is to keep back physically not protected during. Finally we get to see where all these descriptions are fulfilled here at the sixth seal of Revelation, which is just about to be broken by Jesus (The lamb). This is all like kind language but even with more detail. Revelation 6:12-17: 12 “Then I watched while the Lamb opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black like rough black cloth, and the whole moon became red like blood.13 And the stars in the sky fell to the earth like figs falling from a fig tree when the wind blows.14 The sky disappeared as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the rulers, the generals, the rich people, the powerful people, the slaves, and the free people hid themselves in caves and in the rocks on the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us. Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb!17 The great day for their anger has come, and who can stand against it?" We have seen all similar wording in the previous prophecies by Jesus and others and we never see this language again after the 6th seal, because this is where it occurs. Notice how there is no talk of facing the Antichrist, battle cries, white horses, or Jesus coming to bring final judgment here as we see later on in Revelation 19, or in other Old Testament 2nd coming verses which litter the prophetic books from Isiah to Malachi. This is the start of the last great tribulation period, because Revelation 7: 9-15 proclaims it with evidence of a large crowd of people who have been removed from the earth: Revelation 7:9-15 reads: 9 “After the vision of these things I looked, and there was a great number of people, so many that no one could count them. They were from every nation, tribe, people, and language of the earth. They were all standing before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.10 They were shouting in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."11 All the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures. They all bowed down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,12 saying, "Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanks, honor, power, and strength belong to our God forever and ever. Amen!" 13 Then one of the elders asked me, "Who are these people dressed in white robes? Where did they come from?" 14 I answered, "You know, sir." And the elder said to me, "These are the people who have come out of the great distress. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.15 Because of this, they are before the throne of God. They worship him day and night in his temple. And the One who sits on the throne will be present with them”. So the Rapture has to occur with the sky being rolled back either right before the 6th seal is broken, or as it is broken at the same time, since Jesus comes as a thief. Then the rest of the seal is unleashed. But do not let the fact that this removal occurs at the 6th seal discourage you into thinking that all Christians have to live through some part of the last great tribulation. We have mistakenly thought that it has to occur before the 1st seal, not realizing that the first five seals have already been broken long ago by Jesus, most likely as soon as he went back to heaven. We need to remember that Revelation began back in the 1st century when John was told not to close the prophesy of Revelation. Jesus told him it was for then Johns time, and the future, so it was not all future. Daniel however, was told to close his prophesy until the time of the end. So Daniels starts after the great tribulation begins, especially the last 3 ½ years of the seven, while Revelation has already begun. Even Peter proclaimed in Acts, quoting Joel, that the last days began back in his day, so we are now living in the last of the last days. We are likely the generation that will get to see the end of all things. We are not living before the seven seals right now, but instead in the midst of the fifth and sixth, which also coincides with the lull in between Daniels 69th and 70th week. Many theologians believe we are simply waiting for the 70th week to commence which will start the last great tribulation. If you do even a quick read of the first five seals of Revelation you will discover there is nothing new in them that has not been going on for centuries and more. Also the question that the Martyrs ask Jesus in the 5th seal, show us that it has to be a past event and can't be something that starts after the Rapture occurs and great tribulation begins. It reads in Revelation 6:9: “When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed”. This is not a question that will need to be asked after the Rapture, the 6th seal, or the start of the last great tribulation, because they would then know how long, as most Christians know, once the last great tribulation starts, it will only be approximately seven years to the physical return of Jesus to in fact avenge these deaths. But there is another huge sign among the many going on everywhere to the soon return of Jesus. It is the preparation of the last Jewish temple that will be built in Jerusalem, only to one last time be destroyed during the last great tribulation and then rebuilt one last time for the 1000 year reign of Jesus on the earth. The model has already been built, the Levites are being trained now and they are simply waiting for God to intervene with the miraculous way in which he will allow it to be built. Since the 6th seal will be so massive and destructive, it would be a perfect time for God to take out the dome of the rock in Jerusalem with one of the millions of star fragments that he will unleash on the world. Along with the world wide massive earthquake, the removal of millions of real Christians, the asteroids will cause massive worldwide loss of life, looting and rioting. But we see at the 6th seal, the people of earth know this is from God, so at least for a time, the people and governments will submit to God and the Jews, by signing the seven year peace treaty with Israel and this will officially start the last seven year countdown. Also God may take out much the military might of the world by dropping the stars on their air-forces etc. This is why we see later on in Revelation armies who must wait for the river Euphrates to dry up before they can cross. With the air forces of today, nothing of the like has to occur as they just fly to the wars they engage in.
  10. We are so very close now to the rapture of the ready saints of God, one can almost taste it. Whats been prophesied about for two thousand years now, is finally almost upon us. The second coming of Christ has to happen otherwise the bible can't be trusted at all. The fact is however hundreds of prohesies have already come true, so what we know is the bible can be trusted and there never been a book like the bible where predictions have come to pass with 100% accuracy. The rapture is simply the first phase of Jesus second coming. The following is a quick study of what is just upon us, there will be much more coming on this soon, even in book form. I pray this will change your outlook on what going on in the world right now, or better yet confirm it. This is about the return of our Lord and specifically the pre-tribulation rapture of the ready watching church which is almost upon us. This doctrine has been under attack lately and I want to show you why it is still a valid doctrine scripturally. We are getting deeper into Revelation and I am going to show you why I believe the 5th seal has already been broken and the rapture and the sixth seal is next on the agenda. Not that we are looking for any particular sign because his return is immanent, but we need to know where we are in the time line of scripture and events, so we don't get deceived by anyone regardless of their motives. You may have heard David Wilkerson's recent prophesy where he foresaw fires coming to the cites of the world. If you haven't I will include just a bit of it here, but it was very short anyway. It can be seen in full at www.worldchallenge.org. I don't think this is describing a nuclear or enemy attack and I will show you in scripture why. He isn't saying this either, but some will conclude this because much of the time we seem eager to credit things that man can do instead of what God himself is going to do directly. Of course David Wilkerson is not the only one who is being given visions and dreams about the end times. There are others, including someone from my own church, who have had dreams of fires coming to the earth. Another pastor friend of mine recently had a dream/vision of the sign of Jesus return as spoken of in Matt. 24:30. He said it seemed so real he thought he had returned. Dave Wilkerson gave another prophesy a few years back that was directly from the book of Revelation in where he said the cities of the world would fall and everything as we know it in the span of an hour would collapse. Part of Rev. 18:17 reads (and all my quoted scripture will be in the NCV unless otherwise noted) : “In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin.....”, speaking of the great city of Babylon and all the other cities of the world, that would fall in the last seven years of man as we know it. So this older prophesy now, is about the end of the seven year tribulation when America and most of the world falls as well. My point here is, his prophesies are always based on scripture so they can be trusted. Here is an excerpt from his recent letter and prophesy quoting: “I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world. AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE — EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US. For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires — such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago. There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting — including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written, 'If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?' (v. 3). God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations". -End quote- Okay, this is fine, but can it be matched up with any prophesy in the bible like his others do? Answer: Yes, it can and I will show you where it does. Also what's to note here is not so much the fires in America, but the entire world. If it was just America, it would lead one to believe a nuclear or some other attack, but since it's worldwide, this is most likely supernatural. I believe this latest prophesy from Dave Wilkerson is not about the end of the seven year tribulation but the beginning. This brings me to discuss the beginning of the tribulation which is almost on us now. It is my belief that the 5th seal is already been broken and I believe we are living in between the 5th and the 6th seals and here is the evidence for this. At the breaking of the fifth seal in Rev. 6:9 we see the cry of the martyrs. They ask the Lord, how long will it be until he judges the earth for their murders. Jesus tells them to wait until their number to be killed as they are is complete and that does not complete until the antichrist kills all who won't accept his mark in Rev.13:15 which is approx. halfway through the last seven years. The glaring point here is, this question would have never been asked if the last seven year tribulation had already begun, because they would have known for themselves the answer to this question, for all true Christians know that once the great tribulation starts, there is just but seven short years left. So what we must conclude here is this seal is broken long before the last seven years starts. The only question is how long and certainly we know that there have been Martyrs since Jesus day, in fact there have been 70 million. The reason they asked the question is because just like Jesus, they don't know the day or the hour of the rapture of the church which starts the beginning of the last seven years. So for the many of us who have previously believed, or more accurately we have probably just assumed that the first seal has to start the beginning of the tribulation as did I, lets take a closer look at all of this again. First of all lets define what the word “rapture” means, because some say it does not appear in the bible. The word trinity does not appear either, but there is nothing wrong with us assigning todays language with past truths. Rapture is derived from the Latin word raptu, which means “caught away or caught up”. This is describing what happens to the pre-tribulation rapture ready church. In Revelation 6:12 & 7:14 at the breaking of the sixth seal and also in Matthew 24:29, Jesus and John are both talking about the same event, the pre-tribulation rapture of the church. The fact that most Christians have not recognized these two passages as containing a description of the pre-tribulation rapture don't negate it's importance. Because we have not identified it clearly in scripture, it has caused much confusion. If we can't see in scripture when this event happens, then much of the other prophesy surrounding it will also be misunderstood, misplaced and mis-interpreted. Because there are two separate “day of the Lord events” described in the bible, we need to find out which scriptures match with the first one (the rapture), and which ones match up with the second one (the actual physical 2nd coming of Jesus with the saints on white horseback in Rev.19:19). If we don't match them correctly or assign the wrong ones with the wrong event, it can skew the entire study. Part 2...... There has been a lot made of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ in Christendom and with good reason, because it's a big deal. Just how big a deal seems to be a bone of contention among some who profess to believe in this doctrine. Jesus told us everything we would need to know about when he would return so we would not be caught off guard when he calls. The only thing he left out was the exact day and hour of the 1st phase of this occurrence. He did not do this because he is cruel, but simply because he himself does not know the exact hour or day as only his father does. However just because he does not know the day, does not mean he does not know the general time frame or season, as well as the happenings that would surround his return. He also knows when in the sequence of scriptural events that it occurs because he wrote it and we can see where it is, if we choose to open our eyes fully. Knowing when in the sequence of other events does not tell us the day or hour either, however it is extremely important, because it tells us where we are on the time line of all things. The reason he knows these things, is because he is the one who causes them to occur. Also just because we do not know the day or the hour, does not mean we were not told when in the sequence of other end time events that it would occur. We were also told about many other signs that would be occurring right before it happens so we would not be caught unaware. What I am going to submit to you here is, all of these signs are occurring now and have been for some time. We for the most part in Christendom have had our heads in the sand and have been fiddling while Rome is burning. Jesus and his many other messengers, the disciples and apostles, told us many things about his return including even when in events in scripture it occurs. 2000 years have past and we have come up with basically three explanations of when people think he may return. Problem is only one can be correct. If you don't think it's important to find out which one is the correct position, you may wish you had known if you are wrong and left holding a false teaching. Some think it's not that important to know exactly when he's coming, as long as when he does come you are ready. There is some truth to this, but only knowing some truth as opposed to all the truth can be dangerous. Some who choose to take sides attack others without the entire picture to back up their positions. A common mistake that some make is taking only one scripture or thought process and making that into the entire doctrine that they adhere to, whatever it might be. In the case of the 2nd coming, we find some scripture that talks about how some holy people have to persevere to the end of the tribulation period to gain their Salvation. So what has happened is, some believe that all Christians have to endure to the end of the tribulation to be saved. But what they have failed to recognize is, there are more than one group of people talked about in end times Revelation prophesy. So while it's true, some will in fact have to endure to the very end, what is very plain in other scripture, is some won't, because there are other scriptures that tell us at least some are leaving early. Since all scripture is true, it's not one or the other that's correct, but all. We also need to recognize two major groups in the bible who are given what seem to be two different messages about end times prophesy. The first group is the original Old Testament elect, the nation of Israel, who's people is the Jews. The second group is the church that was formed in the 1st century, some of whom were Jews as well, but they offered the invitation of God's good news of Salvation to all, both Jew and non-Jew who they called Gentiles. There are three basic camps or beliefs that are as follows and I will try and keep this simple instead of using theologian talk, but before we explore this in more detail we need to recognize why there are three groups or factions to start with. One of the reasons why there are so many beliefs is because some refuse to take the bible literally. This especially true with Revelation prophesy, because of it's occasional symbolism. What they fail to realize is, almost all Revelatory symbolism is explained almost immediately after the symbol is identified, right in the same passage. Another thing that some do is, they see in Revelation that there is a numerical, sequential and chronological order to things, but the refuse to follow the order. They do this because they do not want to be dogmatic(strict) about the order, as if they do, they would have to admit to some things that they would rather not do. IE: If you look at the 6th seal of Revelation which spans chapters six and seven, you would find a massive group of people from every part of the world that is seen in heaven. We are even told who they are and where they came from! But do you think theologians can read this and realize that it describes a giant catching away, Rapture like event? Even though the evidence is overwhelming and clear, they refuse to recognize this. But why do they fail? Here are some reasons with first an explanation of the three factions. 1. Some believe that Jesus is coming before the last great tribulation begins, these people are known as Pre-tribulation Rapture believers. 2. Some think that he is coming sometime in the middle of the tribulation period, perhaps after the 7th angel trumpet, these are called mid-tribbers. 3. Some think that he is coming sometime closer to the end of the tribulation period and they are known as post tribulationists. There are be some who believe in no rapture at all, possibly because they are tired of the bickering among the other groups, but they are a smaller number, so we are mainly looking at three main camps. We will look at the many scriptures that pertain to this doctrine so you can make up your own mind, but a few basics first. The reason there is three camps to start with, is because they are looking at certain scriptures to bolster their positions. It's not that they don't have scripture that they are standing on, the problem is, some refuse to acknowledge all scripture on the subject and you can take this to other church doctrine as well. This is also one reason why there are so many church denominations. But if they would all recognize that the the bible shows us a 6th seal Rapture, it would cause the following tumult. The pre-tribbers haven't recognized it, because they think a 6th seal Rapture means that Christians may have to live through a part of the last great tribulation, so they think this 6th seal Rapture, is occurring too late for their liking. What they fail to realize is, the tribulation does not start until after the 6th seal. The mid-tribbers won't recognize the 6th seal Rapture, because to them, it occurs too early still, and they want to adhere to the 'last trumpet' Rapture, which they think occurs after the 7th angel trumpet in chapter eight of Revelation. What they fail to realize is, the 7th angel trumpet is a judgment for those left on the earth and the Rapture is a reward. Also they miss that an angel does not blow 'the last trumpet', instead Jesus blows the Rapture trumpet himself. But he does this by not even blowing an actual trumpet, but just using his voice which sounds like a trumpet as described in the 1st and 2nd chapter of Revelation. He will do one call, in three manifestations, to call his ready followers to meet him in the air. The post-tribbers won't recognize a 6th seal Rapture, because they think all Christians must endure to the end to be saved and a 6th seal Rapture is just much too soon. What they fail to realize is, everyone's end is different. For some their end is today! 500 Christians are Martyred everyday to add to the already 70 million who went on before them. Now with another new study out telling people that some poll says most “Christians,” don't believe Jesus is coming until 2050, and it's no wonder few are ready for what is just about to happen. Jesus said he would come at a time when we least expect it. Well if most are expecting him for 40 more years, then his coming now would fulfill this scripture and truly this is exactly what is about to happen. All the signs of this coming are going on all around us. From the plans to rebuild the final tribulation temple in Jerusalem, to the earthquakes, volcanoes, riots, wars and rumors of wars, there has never been an intensity and multiplied number of all these signs together as there is now. Why? Because the 6th seal Pre-tribulation Rapture is about to occur and it will come as most of the American church said no not now Jesus, we don't believe that, we have lives to live. But it will happen none the less and many will wonder why their Pastors, Priests and Rabbis, who are all paid to do so, did not tell them the whole truth about something so simple to just read and believe. There are going to be many angry church going people who are going to wonder why someone did not tell them the whole truth. Now one of these three beliefs requires more faith to believe it than the other two. With two of the three all you have to do is wait for a few major signs, such as the 1st trumpet judgment where fire burns up 1/3 of the earth, or the 2nd trumpet where 1/3 of the water turn to blood and 1/3 of all the ships and sea life die, to realize that Jesus is on his way. This stance which is more of a mid tribulation stance, would simply require sight to notice the major signs. Problem is, it negates Jesus coming as a thief as he said he would and takes less faith to believe in, than those who believe Jesus is coming sooner with less of a notice. With the post tribulation stance you just wait for even more obvious major signs like the 5th trumpet where a demonic army wipes out 2 billion people, then the Mark of the beast is initiated, millions are beheaded for their faith, and all the water is turned to blood etc., as the punishments get progressively worse. This takes even less faith than the mid tribulation stance and you don't even have to look for Jesus return, you just wait for the Antichrist to come on to the scene as he wreaks havoc. The Pre-tribulation stance takes the most faith of all, but if you know your scripture well enough, you will think it's madness to believe anything but. So now I have compiled all the scriptures pertaining to the soon coming catching away of the ready watching saints, into one study here. This is an amazing thing to do and when you see it all put together like this it paints a much clearer picture. You might not have known that the Old Testament does have a few scriptures that pertain to this event. Whether or not the the prophets Isiah or Joel knew that they were talking about the Rapture event or not, does not really matter, they probably didn't. However they likely knew that they were at least talking about future events. They probably knew when they were talking out their own people, the Jews, who would be punished for their sins and turning their backs on God, but that God would some day call them back to himself again and they would repopulate the earth as was promised to them to Abraham in Genesis. But starting with Isiah lets look at the details of some of what happens during the Rapture event of Revelation's 6th and 7th chapters as we match up the wording with all like scripture and see how it all gets fulfilled in Revelation. Isiah.13:10 reads: “The stars will not show their light; the skies will be dark. The sun will grow dark as it rises, and the moon will not give its light”. Then Is.34:4 reads: “ The sun, moon, and stars will dissolve, and the sky will be rolled up like a scroll. The stars will fall like dead leaves from a vine or dried-up figs from a fig tree”. We see this same language at the breaking of the sixth seal of Revelation 6:13-14 because it it where it gets fulfilled. “And the stars in the sky fell to the earth like figs falling from a fig tree when the wind blows.” The sky disappeared as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Is 24:23 tells us about the sun and the moon: “The moon will be embarrassed and the sun will be ashamed. Because the Lord All-powerful will rule as king on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. Jerusalem's leaders will see his greatness”. Joel 2:31 reads: The sun will become dark, the moon red as blood, before the overwhelming and terrible day of the Lord comes”. There is more than one terrible or great day of the Lord in end times prophesy. The first one is the day after the Rapture at the breaking of the 6th seal. The second one is at the battle of Armageddon in Revelation chapter 19, but as we will see later, there will be far less people even alive at Revelation chapter 19, after most of the world has been killed by the various punishments. Here in Revelation 6:16-17, the people proclaim themselves what day this is, because as we will see later, they just saw Jesus collect his followers in the air. They proclaim as they call to the mountains and rocks: "Fall on us. Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb! The great day for their anger has come, and who can stand against it?" Jesus with more similar wording in Matthew and speaking in veryclear words of what he will do when he collects the ready 24:28-30 said: "Soon after the trouble of those days, 'the sun will grow dark, and the moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from the sky. And the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” “At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the peoples of the world will cry. They will see the Son of Man coming on clouds in the sky with great power and glory. He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all around the earth, and they will gather his chosen people from every part of the world”. In Matthew 25:10, we see how Jesus told us that some in the church would be left behind if they were not ready spiritually: “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went with the bridegroom to the wedding feast, then the door was closed and locked.” Mark 13:24-26 is identical to Matthew 24:28-30. In Luke 12:39-40 Jesus talked again about being ready for his return: 39 "Remember this: If the owner of the house knew what time a thief was coming, he would not allow the thief to enter his house. 40 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at a time when you don't expect him!" Jesus in describing what life will be like when he returns said in Luke :17:24-36: 24. "When the Son of Man comes again, he will shine like lightning, which flashes across the sky and lights it up from one side to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by the people of this time.26 When the Son of Man comes again, it will be as it was when Noah lived.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying, and giving their children to be married until the day Noah entered the boat. Then the flood came and killed them all.28 It will be the same as during the time of Lot. People were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, and building.29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from the sky and killed them all. 30 This is how it will be when the Son of Man comes again. This is simply describing normal life and even the good life which will be absent after he takes his ready ones out of the world for the final great testing period. We can look at our current times and economy and realize that though it is down from it's high, we can still eat, drink, get married, buy, sell, plant and build. He continues in verse 31: 31 "On that day, a person who is on the roof and whose belongings are in the house should not go inside to get them. A person who is in the field should not go back home. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Those who try to keep their lives will lose them. But those who give up their lives will save them.34 I tell you, on that night two people will be sleeping in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be taken, and the other will be left. 36 Two people will be in the field. One will be taken, and the other will be left." Jesus is speaking more to the attitude of the heart and general readiness of the people. If one is more concerned with the material things of this life than the spiritual, they will not be ready and therefore will be left behind as Lot's wife was. Lot's wife looked back on Sodom after being told not to and she was turned into a pillar of salt. Anyone with the same attitude as she had which was to love the sinful life, more than the holy life, will be left behind to see if they can get it right. We also see as in chapter 25 of Matthew, one will be taken and the other left. This could actually mean half the church will be taken and the other left. That remains to be seen of course, but for sure we know not all professing Christians are going, instead many will be left behind. It is possible that they will be saved later on however, because as many as one billion tribulation saints will be beheaded by the Antichrist and thereby purchase their Salvation, by becoming willing Martyrs. In Luke 21:25-28, Jesus tells us what will be going on all around us when he snatches away his ready followers. This is all happening now with the earthquakes, riots, volcanoes and other supernatural disasters : 25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On earth, nations will be afraid and confused because of the roar and fury of the sea. 26 People will be so afraid they will faint, wondering what is happening to the world, because the powers of the heavens will be shaken.27 Then people will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Then Jesus gives the timing on the when. He says when the begin to happen look up, not in the middle or near the end, but when they begin. 28 When these things begin to happen, look up and hold your heads high, because the time when God will free you is near!" Luke 21:34-36: 34 "Be careful not to spend your time feasting, drinking, or worrying about worldly things. If you do, that day might come on you suddenly, 35 like a trap on all people on earth. 36 So be ready all the time. Pray that you will be strong enough to escape all these things that will happen and that you will be able to stand before the Son of Man." More incredible proof that some are leaving early be escaping before the worst happens. Pray that you will be strong enough to escape, tells us that some are definitely leaving early, but we have to be strong enough by keeping our white robes of Salvation clean. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52: 51 “But look! I tell you this secret: We will not all sleep in death, but we will all be changed.52 It will take only a second—as quickly as an eye blinks—when the last trumpet sounds. The trumpet will sound, and those who have died will be raised to live forever, and we will all be changed.” Note: This is the last trump of God being blown here by Jesus himself, not by an angel. The seven angel trumpet blasts are incurring punishments during the tribulation period, the call to heaven by Jesus, is not a punishment, so must be separated out from the others. More on this in just a bit. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18: “The Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And those who have died believing in Christ will rise first.17 After that, we who are still alive will be gathered up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever.18 So encourage each other with these words.” This is the trumpet that Jesus will be blowing himself to call his elect to himself, but notice how it is described as three separate things: He himself gives: 1. A loud command. 2. also in the voice of the archangel. 3. And with the trumpet call of God. A fair question to ask here is, how can he do all three simultaneously? Well what if his voice sounded like a trumpet? Is this a possibility? In Revelation 1:10 it reads: “On the Lord's day I was in the Spirit, and I heard a loud voice behind me that sounded like a trumpet”. Also in Revelation 4:1 it reads : “After the vision of these things I looked, and there before me was an open door in heaven. And the same voice that spoke to me before, that sounded like a trumpet, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.” Answer: Yes a voice can sound like a trumpet, especially when it is Jesus who can do anything. Paul continues in1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 by telling us Jesus is coming 'like a thief' and by the way, because he is coming 'like a thief' this is not referring to the secrecy of a thief, but the surprise of a thief. We will see in just a bit how everyone sees the Rapture event, it will be no secret at all. 1 “Now, brothers and sisters, we do not need to write you about times and dates.2 You know very well that the day the Lord comes again will be a surprise, like a thief that comes in the night.3 While people are saying, "We have peace and we are safe," they will be destroyed quickly. It is like pains that come quickly to a woman having a baby. Those people will not escape.4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not living in darkness, and so that day will not surprise you like a thief.” Again Paul like Jesus is talking about escape here. In fact a great escape. Lets also realize that escape means to not be there physically, not to be protected during. Some are escaping, some are staying. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8, is talking about something that needs to happen before Jesus can come, specifically the taking out of the way of a restrainer of evil. Many think it could be the Holy Spirit in the lives of the ready who will be removed, because he is called 'he' and this is certainly a possibility. But it could also be a powerful angel. Many times in the bible we see angels restraining evil. “Do not let anyone fool you in any way. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens and the Man of Evil, who is on his way to hell, appears. 4 He will be against and put himself above any so-called god or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God”. 5 “I told you when I was with you that all this would happen. Do you not remember?6 And now you know what is stopping that Man of Evil so he will appear at the right time.7 The secret power of evil is already working in the world, but there is one who is stopping that power. And he will continue to stop it until he is taken out of the way.8 Then that Man of Evil will appear, and the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath that comes from his mouth and will destroy him with the glory of his coming”. It does not take a doctorate in theology to see that the growing apostasy in the church now has already taken root and many have already turning away from God. Also the Antichrist may already be revealed as revealed or appearing does not necessarily mean identification. Jesus appeared at his birth, but he was not revealed fully until much later in his life. Even when the Antichrist is fully identified by the fatal head wound and signs the seven year peace treaty with Israel, still people will deny who he is and he will never be identified as such in the media as he will control it. In 2 Timothy 3:1-5 Paul describes what people will be like. I think we can see this now if we are honest and looking: 1 “Remember this! In the last days there will be many troubles,2 because people will love themselves, love money, brag, and be proud. They will say evil things against others and will not obey their parents or be thankful or be the kind of people God wants.3 They will not love others, will refuse to forgive, will gossip, and will not control themselves. They will be cruel, will hate what is good,4 will turn against their friends, and will do foolish things without thinking. They will be conceited, will love pleasure instead of God,5 and will act as if they serve God but will not have his power. Stay away from those people”. Many have a form of religion, but deny the power of real religion, which is the power of the Holy Spirit in the believers life. Many in the church today believe that this power is not even needed. They tell others they have enough of it, or that it was only for the first century church. This is a dangerous belief and doctrine. We need more of his Holy Spirit as the day of the Rapture approaches, not less. Paul in Titus 2:11-13 said: “That is the way we should live, because God's grace that can save everyone has come. 12 It teaches us not to live against God nor to do the evil things the world wants to do. Instead, that grace teaches us to live in the present age in a wise and right way and in a way that shows we serve God. 13 We should live like that while we wait for our great hope and the coming of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”. This is the blessed hope that all true Christians are to be thinking on. Not thinking on it can turn even the best of intentions, into the scoffing of this immanent event. There are many scoffers in the church now as we were told there would be right before his return. 2 Peter 3:3 then 3:8 also reads from Peter: ”First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance”. Peter also said in 2 Peter 3:10-11: 10 “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The skies will disappear with a loud noise. Everything in them will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be exposed. 11 In that way everything will be destroyed. So what kind of people should you be? You should live holy lives and serve God” Finally in Revelation we see all of these Rapture verses fulfilled and move toward the actual event. Revelation 1:7 reads with John the Revelator saying: “ Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds, and everyone will see him, even those who stabbed him. And all peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen”. Notice how John tells us everyone will see him even those who stabbed him, and where are they now? Dead and in hell unless they repented. How will they be able to see him? Supernaturally as will everyone else, as the sky is rolled back like a scroll or a curtain. The Rapture will not be a secret event at all. Then John in the seven Revelatory letters to the churches gives more insight on some who are leaving and some who are staying, to those who refuse to get holy and keep their white robes clean by constant repentance if needed, he says in Revelation 3:3: 3 “So do not forget what you have received and heard. Obey it, and change your hearts and lives. So you must wake up, or I will come like a thief, and you will not know when I will come to you.” But to those who obey he makes a promise in Revelation 3:10-11: 10 “You have obeyed my teaching about not giving up your faith. So I will keep you from the time of trouble that will come to the whole world to test those who live on earth. 11. "I am coming soon. Continue strong in your faith so no one will take away your crown”. Some will be 'kept from' the time of trouble, much like the escape wording. IE:To keep your child from going to school is to keep back physically not protected during. Finally we get to see where all these descriptions are fulfilled here at the sixth seal of Revelation, which is just about to be broken by Jesus (The lamb). This is all like kind language but even with more detail. Revelation 6:12-17: 12 “Then I watched while the Lamb opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black like rough black cloth, and the whole moon became red like blood.13 And the stars in the sky fell to the earth like figs falling from a fig tree when the wind blows.14 The sky disappeared as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the rulers, the generals, the rich people, the powerful people, the slaves, and the free people hid themselves in caves and in the rocks on the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us. Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb!17 The great day for their anger has come, and who can stand against it?" We have seen all similar wording in the previous prophecies by Jesus and others and we never see this language again after the 6th seal, because this is where it occurs. Notice how there is no talk of facing the Antichrist, battle cries, white horses, or Jesus coming to bring final judgment here as we see later on in Revelation 19, or in other Old Testament 2nd coming verses which litter the prophetic books from Isiah to Malachi. This is the start of the last great tribulation period, because Revelation 7: 9-15 proclaims it with evidence of a large crowd of people who have been removed from the earth: Revelation 7:9-15 reads: 9 “After the vision of these things I looked, and there was a great number of people, so many that no one could count them. They were from every nation, tribe, people, and language of the earth. They were all standing before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.10 They were shouting in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."11 All the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures. They all bowed down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,12 saying, "Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanks, honor, power, and strength belong to our God forever and ever. Amen!" 13 Then one of the elders asked me, "Who are these people dressed in white robes? Where did they come from?" 14 I answered, "You know, sir." And the elder said to me, "These are the people who have come out of the great distress. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.15 Because of this, they are before the throne of God. They worship him day and night in his temple. And the One who sits on the throne will be present with them”. So the Rapture has to occur with the sky being rolled back either right before the 6th seal is broken, or as it is broken at the same time, since Jesus comes as a thief. Then the rest of the seal is unleashed. But do not let the fact that this removal occurs at the 6th seal discourage you into thinking that all Christians have to live through some part of the last great tribulation. We have mistakenly thought that it has to occur before the 1st seal, not realizing that the first five seals have already been broken long ago by Jesus, most likely as soon as he went back to heaven. We need to remember that Revelation began back in the 1st century when John was told not to close the prophesy of Revelation. Jesus told him it was for then Johns time, and the future, so it was not all future. Daniel however, was told to close his prophesy until the time of the end. So Daniels starts after the great tribulation begins, especially the last 3 ½ years of the seven, while Revelation has already begun. Even Peter proclaimed in Acts, quoting Joel, that the last days began back in his day, so we are now living in the last of the last days. We are likely the generation that will get to see the end of all things. We are not living before the seven seals right now, but instead in the midst of the fifth and sixth, which also coincides with the lull in between Daniels 69th and 70th week. Many theologians believe we are simply waiting for the 70th week to commence which will start the last great tribulation. If you do even a quick read of the first five seals of Revelation you will discover there is nothing new in them that has not been going on for centuries and more. Also the question that the Martyrs ask Jesus in the 5th seal, show us that it has to be a past event and can't be something that starts after the Rapture occurs and great tribulation begins. It reads in Revelation 6:9: “When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed”. This is not a question that will need to be asked after the Rapture, the 6th seal, or the start of the last great tribulation, because they would then know how long, as most Christians know, once the last great tribulation starts, it will only be approximately seven years to the physical return of Jesus to in fact avenge these deaths. But there is another huge sign among the many going on everywhere to the soon return of Jesus. It is the preparation of the last Jewish temple that will be built in Jerusalem, only to one last time be destroyed during the last great tribulation and then rebuilt one last time for the 1000 year reign of Jesus on the earth. The model has already been built, the Levites are being trained now and they are simply waiting for God to intervene with the miraculous way in which he will allow it to be built. Since the 6th seal will be so massive and destructive, it would be a perfect time for God to take out the dome of the rock in Jerusalem with one of the millions of star fragments that he will unleash on the world. Along with the world wide massive earthquake, the removal of millions of real Christians, the asteroids will cause massive worldwide loss of life, looting and rioting. But we see at the 6th seal, the people of earth know this is from God, so at least for a time, the people and governments will submit to God and the Jews, by signing the seven year peace treaty with Israel and this will officially start the last seven year countdown. Also God may take out much the military might of the world by dropping the stars on their air-forces etc. This is why we see later on in Revelation armies who must wait for the river Euphrates to dry up before they can cross. With the air forces of today, nothing of the like has to occur as they just fly to the wars they engage in.
  11. We are so very close now to the rapture of the ready saints of God, one can almost taste it. Whats been prophesied about for two thousand years now, is finally almost upon us. The second coming of Christ has to happen otherwise the bible can't be trusted at all. The fact is however hundreds of prohesies have already come true, so what we know is the bible can be trusted and there never been a book like the bible where predictions have come to pass with 100% accuracy. The rapture is simply the first phase of Jesus second coming. The following is a quick study of what is just upon us, there will be much more coming on this soon, even in book form. I pray this will change your outlook on what going on in the world right now, or better yet confirm it. This is about the return of our Lord and specifically the pre-tribulation rapture of the ready watching church which is almost upon us. This doctrine has been under attack lately and I want to show you why it is still a valid doctrine scripturally. We are getting deeper into Revelation and I am going to show you why I believe the 5th seal has already been broken and the rapture and the sixth seal is next on the agenda. Not that we are looking for any particular sign because his return is immanent, but we need to know where we are in the time line of scripture and events, so we don't get deceived by anyone regardless of their motives. You may have heard David Wilkerson's recent prophesy where he foresaw fires coming to the cites of the world. If you haven't I will include just a bit of it here, but it was very short anyway. It can be seen in full at www.worldchallenge.org. I don't think this is describing a nuclear or enemy attack and I will show you in scripture why. He isn't saying this either, but some will conclude this because much of the time we seem eager to credit things that man can do instead of what God himself is going to do directly. Of course David Wilkerson is not the only one who is being given visions and dreams about the end times. There are others, including someone from my own church, who have had dreams of fires coming to the earth. Another pastor friend of mine recently had a dream/vision of the sign of Jesus return as spoken of in Matt. 24:30. He said it seemed so real he thought he had returned. Dave Wilkerson gave another prophesy a few years back that was directly from the book of Revelation in where he said the cities of the world would fall and everything as we know it in the span of an hour would collapse. Part of Rev. 18:17 reads (and all my quoted scripture will be in the NCV unless otherwise noted) : “In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin.....”, speaking of the great city of Babylon and all the other cities of the world, that would fall in the last seven years of man as we know it. So this older prophesy now, is about the end of the seven year tribulation when America and most of the world falls as well. My point here is, his prophesies are always based on scripture so they can be trusted. Here is an excerpt from his recent letter and prophesy quoting: “I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world. AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE — EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US. For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires — such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago. There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting — including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written, 'If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?' (v. 3). God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations". -End quote- Okay, this is fine, but can it be matched up with any prophesy in the bible like his others do? Answer: Yes, it can and I will show you where it does. Also what's to note here is not so much the fires in America, but the entire world. If it was just America, it would lead one to believe a nuclear or some other attack, but since it's worldwide, this is most likely supernatural. I believe this latest prophesy from Dave Wilkerson is not about the end of the seven year tribulation but the beginning. This brings me to discuss the beginning of the tribulation which is almost on us now. It is my belief that the 5th seal is already been broken and I believe we are living in between the 5th and the 6th seals and here is the evidence for this. At the breaking of the fifth seal in Rev. 6:9 we see the cry of the martyrs. They ask the Lord, how long will it be until he judges the earth for their murders. Jesus tells them to wait until their number to be killed as they are is complete and that does not complete until the antichrist kills all who won't accept his mark in Rev.13:15 which is approx. halfway through the last seven years. The glaring point here is, this question would have never been asked if the last seven year tribulation had already begun, because they would have known for themselves the answer to this question, for all true Christians know that once the great tribulation starts, there is just but seven short years left. So what we must conclude here is this seal is broken long before the last seven years starts. The only question is how long and certainly we know that there have been Martyrs since Jesus day, in fact there have been 70 million. The reason they asked the question is because just like Jesus, they don't know the day or the hour of the rapture of the church which starts the beginning of the last seven years. So for the many of us who have previously believed, or more accurately we have probably just assumed that the first seal has to start the beginning of the tribulation as did I, lets take a closer look at all of this again. First of all lets define what the word “rapture” means, because some say it does not appear in the bible. The word trinity does not appear either, but there is nothing wrong with us assigning todays language with past truths. Rapture is derived from the Latin word raptu, which means “caught away or caught up”. This is describing what happens to the pre-tribulation rapture ready church. In Revelation 6:12 & 7:14 at the breaking of the sixth seal and also in Matthew 24:29, Jesus and John are both talking about the same event, the pre-tribulation rapture of the church. The fact that most Christians have not recognized these two passages as containing a description of the pre-tribulation rapture don't negate it's importance. Because we have not identified it clearly in scripture, it has caused much confusion. If we can't see in scripture when this event happens, then much of the other prophesy surrounding it will also be misunderstood, misplaced and mis-interpreted. Because there are two separate “day of the Lord events” described in the bible, we need to find out which scriptures match with the first one (the rapture), and which ones match up with the second one (the actual physical 2nd coming of Jesus with the saints on white horseback in Rev.19:19). If we don't match them correctly or assign the wrong ones with the wrong event, it can skew the entire study. Part 2...... There has been a lot made of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ in Christendom and with good reason, because it's a big deal. Just how big a deal seems to be a bone of contention among some who profess to believe in this doctrine. Jesus told us everything we would need to know about when he would return so we would not be caught off guard when he calls. The only thing he left out was the exact day and hour of the 1st phase of this occurrence. He did not do this because he is cruel, but simply because he himself does not know the exact hour or day as only his father does. However just because he does not know the day, does not mean he does not know the general time frame or season, as well as the happenings that would surround his return. He also knows when in the sequence of scriptural events that it occurs because he wrote it and we can see where it is, if we choose to open our eyes fully. Knowing when in the sequence of other events does not tell us the day or hour either, however it is extremely important, because it tells us where we are on the time line of all things. The reason he knows these things, is because he is the one who causes them to occur. Also just because we do not know the day or the hour, does not mean we were not told when in the sequence of other end time events that it would occur. We were also told about many other signs that would be occurring right before it happens so we would not be caught unaware. What I am going to submit to you here is, all of these signs are occurring now and have been for some time. We for the most part in Christendom have had our heads in the sand and have been fiddling while Rome is burning. Jesus and his many other messengers, the disciples and apostles, told us many things about his return including even when in events in scripture it occurs. 2000 years have past and we have come up with basically three explanations of when people think he may return. Problem is only one can be correct. If you don't think it's important to find out which one is the correct position, you may wish you had known if you are wrong and left holding a false teaching. Some think it's not that important to know exactly when he's coming, as long as when he does come you are ready. There is some truth to this, but only knowing some truth as opposed to all the truth can be dangerous. Some who choose to take sides attack others without the entire picture to back up their positions. A common mistake that some make is taking only one scripture or thought process and making that into the entire doctrine that they adhere to, whatever it might be. In the case of the 2nd coming, we find some scripture that talks about how some holy people have to persevere to the end of the tribulation period to gain their Salvation. So what has happened is, some believe that all Christians have to endure to the end of the tribulation to be saved. But what they have failed to recognize is, there are more than one group of people talked about in end times Revelation prophesy. So while it's true, some will in fact have to endure to the very end, what is very plain in other scripture, is some won't, because there are other scriptures that tell us at least some are leaving early. Since all scripture is true, it's not one or the other that's correct, but all. We also need to recognize two major groups in the bible who are given what seem to be two different messages about end times prophesy. The first group is the original Old Testament elect, the nation of Israel, who's people is the Jews. The second group is the church that was formed in the 1st century, some of whom were Jews as well, but they offered the invitation of God's good news of Salvation to all, both Jew and non-Jew who they called Gentiles. There are three basic camps or beliefs that are as follows and I will try and keep this simple instead of using theologian talk, but before we explore this in more detail we need to recognize why there are three groups or factions to start with. One of the reasons why there are so many beliefs is because some refuse to take the bible literally. This especially true with Revelation prophesy, because of it's occasional symbolism. What they fail to realize is, almost all Revelatory symbolism is explained almost immediately after the symbol is identified, right in the same passage. Another thing that some do is, they see in Revelation that there is a numerical, sequential and chronological order to things, but the refuse to follow the order. They do this because they do not want to be dogmatic(strict) about the order, as if they do, they would have to admit to some things that they would rather not do. IE: If you look at the 6th seal of Revelation which spans chapters six and seven, you would find a massive group of people from every part of the world that is seen in heaven. We are even told who they are and where they came from! But do you think theologians can read this and realize that it describes a giant catching away, Rapture like event? Even though the evidence is overwhelming and clear, they refuse to recognize this. But why do they fail? Here are some reasons with first an explanation of the three factions. 1. Some believe that Jesus is coming before the last great tribulation begins, these people are known as Pre-tribulation Rapture believers. 2. Some think that he is coming sometime in the middle of the tribulation period, perhaps after the 7th angel trumpet, these are called mid-tribbers. 3. Some think that he is coming sometime closer to the end of the tribulation period and they are known as post tribulationists. There are be some who believe in no rapture at all, possibly because they are tired of the bickering among the other groups, but they are a smaller number, so we are mainly looking at three main camps. We will look at the many scriptures that pertain to this doctrine so you can make up your own mind, but a few basics first. The reason there is three camps to start with, is because they are looking at certain scriptures to bolster their positions. It's not that they don't have scripture that they are standing on, the problem is, some refuse to acknowledge all scripture on the subject and you can take this to other church doctrine as well. This is also one reason why there are so many church denominations. But if they would all recognize that the the bible shows us a 6th seal Rapture, it would cause the following tumult. The pre-tribbers haven't recognized it, because they think a 6th seal Rapture means that Christians may have to live through a part of the last great tribulation, so they think this 6th seal Rapture, is occurring too late for their liking. What they fail to realize is, the tribulation does not start until after the 6th seal. The mid-tribbers won't recognize the 6th seal Rapture, because to them, it occurs too early still, and they want to adhere to the 'last trumpet' Rapture, which they think occurs after the 7th angel trumpet in chapter eight of Revelation. What they fail to realize is, the 7th angel trumpet is a judgment for those left on the earth and the Rapture is a reward. Also they miss that an angel does not blow 'the last trumpet', instead Jesus blows the Rapture trumpet himself. But he does this by not even blowing an actual trumpet, but just using his voice which sounds like a trumpet as described in the 1st and 2nd chapter of Revelation. He will do one call, in three manifestations, to call his ready followers to meet him in the air. The post-tribbers won't recognize a 6th seal Rapture, because they think all Christians must endure to the end to be saved and a 6th seal Rapture is just much too soon. What they fail to realize is, everyone's end is different. For some their end is today! 500 Christians are Martyred everyday to add to the already 70 million who went on before them. Now with another new study out telling people that some poll says most “Christians,” don't believe Jesus is coming until 2050, and it's no wonder few are ready for what is just about to happen. Jesus said he would come at a time when we least expect it. Well if most are expecting him for 40 more years, then his coming now would fulfill this scripture and truly this is exactly what is about to happen. All the signs of this coming are going on all around us. From the plans to rebuild the final tribulation temple in Jerusalem, to the earthquakes, volcanoes, riots, wars and rumors of wars, there has never been an intensity and multiplied number of all these signs together as there is now. Why? Because the 6th seal Pre-tribulation Rapture is about to occur and it will come as most of the American church said no not now Jesus, we don't believe that, we have lives to live. But it will happen none the less and many will wonder why their Pastors, Priests and Rabbis, who are all paid to do so, did not tell them the whole truth about something so simple to just read and believe. There are going to be many angry church going people who are going to wonder why someone did not tell them the whole truth. Now one of these three beliefs requires more faith to believe it than the other two. With two of the three all you have to do is wait for a few major signs, such as the 1st trumpet judgment where fire burns up 1/3 of the earth, or the 2nd trumpet where 1/3 of the water turn to blood and 1/3 of all the ships and sea life die, to realize that Jesus is on his way. This stance which is more of a mid tribulation stance, would simply require sight to notice the major signs. Problem is, it negates Jesus coming as a thief as he said he would and takes less faith to believe in, than those who believe Jesus is coming sooner with less of a notice. With the post tribulation stance you just wait for even more obvious major signs like the 5th trumpet where a demonic army wipes out 2 billion people, then the Mark of the beast is initiated, millions are beheaded for their faith, and all the water is turned to blood etc., as the punishments get progressively worse. This takes even less faith than the mid tribulation stance and you don't even have to look for Jesus return, you just wait for the Antichrist to come on to the scene as he wreaks havoc. The Pre-tribulation stance takes the most faith of all, but if you know your scripture well enough, you will think it's madness to believe anything but. So now I have compiled all the scriptures pertaining to the soon coming catching away of the ready watching saints, into one study here. This is an amazing thing to do and when you see it all put together like this it paints a much clearer picture. You might not have known that the Old Testament does have a few scriptures that pertain to this event. Whether or not the the prophets Isiah or Joel knew that they were talking about the Rapture event or not, does not really matter, they probably didn't. However they likely knew that they were at least talking about future events. They probably knew when they were talking out their own people, the Jews, who would be punished for their sins and turning their backs on God, but that God would some day call them back to himself again and they would repopulate the earth as was promised to them to Abraham in Genesis. But starting with Isiah lets look at the details of some of what happens during the Rapture event of Revelation's 6th and 7th chapters as we match up the wording with all like scripture and see how it all gets fulfilled in Revelation. Isiah.13:10 reads: “The stars will not show their light; the skies will be dark. The sun will grow dark as it rises, and the moon will not give its light”. Then Is.34:4 reads: “ The sun, moon, and stars will dissolve, and the sky will be rolled up like a scroll. The stars will fall like dead leaves from a vine or dried-up figs from a fig tree”. We see this same language at the breaking of the sixth seal of Revelation 6:13-14 because it it where it gets fulfilled. “And the stars in the sky fell to the earth like figs falling from a fig tree when the wind blows.” The sky disappeared as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Is 24:23 tells us about the sun and the moon: “The moon will be embarrassed and the sun will be ashamed. Because the Lord All-powerful will rule as king on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. Jerusalem's leaders will see his greatness”. Joel 2:31 reads: The sun will become dark, the moon red as blood, before the overwhelming and terrible day of the Lord comes”. There is more than one terrible or great day of the Lord in end times prophesy. The first one is the day after the Rapture at the breaking of the 6th seal. The second one is at the battle of Armageddon in Revelation chapter 19, but as we will see later, there will be far less people even alive at Revelation chapter 19, after most of the world has been killed by the various punishments. Here in Revelation 6:16-17, the people proclaim themselves what day this is, because as we will see later, they just saw Jesus collect his followers in the air. They proclaim as they call to the mountains and rocks: "Fall on us. Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb! The great day for their anger has come, and who can stand against it?" Jesus with more similar wording in Matthew and speaking in veryclear words of what he will do when he collects the ready 24:28-30 said: "Soon after the trouble of those days, 'the sun will grow dark, and the moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from the sky. And the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” “At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the peoples of the world will cry. They will see the Son of Man coming on clouds in the sky with great power and glory. He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all around the earth, and they will gather his chosen people from every part of the world”. In Matthew 25:10, we see how Jesus told us that some in the church would be left behind if they were not ready spiritually: “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went with the bridegroom to the wedding feast, then the door was closed and locked.” Mark 13:24-26 is identical to Matthew 24:28-30. In Luke 12:39-40 Jesus talked again about being ready for his return: 39 "Remember this: If the owner of the house knew what time a thief was coming, he would not allow the thief to enter his house. 40 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at a time when you don't expect him!" Jesus in describing what life will be like when he returns said in Luke :17:24-36: 24. "When the Son of Man comes again, he will shine like lightning, which flashes across the sky and lights it up from one side to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by the people of this time.26 When the Son of Man comes again, it will be as it was when Noah lived.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying, and giving their children to be married until the day Noah entered the boat. Then the flood came and killed them all.28 It will be the same as during the time of Lot. People were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, and building.29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from the sky and killed them all. 30 This is how it will be when the Son of Man comes again. This is simply describing normal life and even the good life which will be absent after he takes his ready ones out of the world for the final great testing period. We can look at our current times and economy and realize that though it is down from it's high, we can still eat, drink, get married, buy, sell, plant and build. He continues in verse 31: 31 "On that day, a person who is on the roof and whose belongings are in the house should not go inside to get them. A person who is in the field should not go back home. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Those who try to keep their lives will lose them. But those who give up their lives will save them.34 I tell you, on that night two people will be sleeping in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be taken, and the other will be left. 36 Two people will be in the field. One will be taken, and the other will be left." Jesus is speaking more to the attitude of the heart and general readiness of the people. If one is more concerned with the material things of this life than the spiritual, they will not be ready and therefore will be left behind as Lot's wife was. Lot's wife looked back on Sodom after being told not to and she was turned into a pillar of salt. Anyone with the same attitude as she had which was to love the sinful life, more than the holy life, will be left behind to see if they can get it right. We also see as in chapter 25 of Matthew, one will be taken and the other left. This could actually mean half the church will be taken and the other left. That remains to be seen of course, but for sure we know not all professing Christians are going, instead many will be left behind. It is possible that they will be saved later on however, because as many as one billion tribulation saints will be beheaded by the Antichrist and thereby purchase their Salvation, by becoming willing Martyrs. In Luke 21:25-28, Jesus tells us what will be going on all around us when he snatches away his ready followers. This is all happening now with the earthquakes, riots, volcanoes and other supernatural disasters : 25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On earth, nations will be afraid and confused because of the roar and fury of the sea. 26 People will be so afraid they will faint, wondering what is happening to the world, because the powers of the heavens will be shaken.27 Then people will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Then Jesus gives the timing on the when. He says when the begin to happen look up, not in the middle or near the end, but when they begin. 28 When these things begin to happen, look up and hold your heads high, because the time when God will free you is near!" Luke 21:34-36: 34 "Be careful not to spend your time feasting, drinking, or worrying about worldly things. If you do, that day might come on you suddenly, 35 like a trap on all people on earth. 36 So be ready all the time. Pray that you will be strong enough to escape all these things that will happen and that you will be able to stand before the Son of Man." More incredible proof that some are leaving early be escaping before the worst happens. Pray that you will be strong enough to escape, tells us that some are definitely leaving early, but we have to be strong enough by keeping our white robes of Salvation clean. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52: 51 “But look! I tell you this secret: We will not all sleep in death, but we will all be changed.52 It will take only a second—as quickly as an eye blinks—when the last trumpet sounds. The trumpet will sound, and those who have died will be raised to live forever, and we will all be changed.” Note: This is the last trump of God being blown here by Jesus himself, not by an angel. The seven angel trumpet blasts are incurring punishments during the tribulation period, the call to heaven by Jesus, is not a punishment, so must be separated out from the others. More on this in just a bit. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18: “The Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And those who have died believing in Christ will rise first.17 After that, we who are still alive will be gathered up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever.18 So encourage each other with these words.” This is the trumpet that Jesus will be blowing himself to call his elect to himself, but notice how it is described as three separate things: He himself gives: 1. A loud command. 2. also in the voice of the archangel. 3. And with the trumpet call of God. A fair question to ask here is, how can he do all three simultaneously? Well what if his voice sounded like a trumpet? Is this a possibility? In Revelation 1:10 it reads: “On the Lord's day I was in the Spirit, and I heard a loud voice behind me that sounded like a trumpet”. Also in Revelation 4:1 it reads : “After the vision of these things I looked, and there before me was an open door in heaven. And the same voice that spoke to me before, that sounded like a trumpet, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.” Answer: Yes a voice can sound like a trumpet, especially when it is Jesus who can do anything. Paul continues in1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 by telling us Jesus is coming 'like a thief' and by the way, because he is coming 'like a thief' this is not referring to the secrecy of a thief, but the surprise of a thief. We will see in just a bit how everyone sees the Rapture event, it will be no secret at all. 1 “Now, brothers and sisters, we do not need to write you about times and dates.2 You know very well that the day the Lord comes again will be a surprise, like a thief that comes in the night.3 While people are saying, "We have peace and we are safe," they will be destroyed quickly. It is like pains that come quickly to a woman having a baby. Those people will not escape.4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not living in darkness, and so that day will not surprise you like a thief.” Again Paul like Jesus is talking about escape here. In fact a great escape. Lets also realize that escape means to not be there physically, not to be protected during. Some are escaping, some are staying. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8, is talking about something that needs to happen before Jesus can come, specifically the taking out of the way of a restrainer of evil. Many think it could be the Holy Spirit in the lives of the ready who will be removed, because he is called 'he' and this is certainly a possibility. But it could also be a powerful angel. Many times in the bible we see angels restraining evil. “Do not let anyone fool you in any way. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens and the Man of Evil, who is on his way to hell, appears. 4 He will be against and put himself above any so-called god or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God”. 5 “I told you when I was with you that all this would happen. Do you not remember?6 And now you know what is stopping that Man of Evil so he will appear at the right time.7 The secret power of evil is already working in the world, but there is one who is stopping that power. And he will continue to stop it until he is taken out of the way.8 Then that Man of Evil will appear, and the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath that comes from his mouth and will destroy him with the glory of his coming”. It does not take a doctorate in theology to see that the growing apostasy in the church now has already taken root and many have already turning away from God. Also the Antichrist may already be revealed as revealed or appearing does not necessarily mean identification. Jesus appeared at his birth, but he was not revealed fully until much later in his life. Even when the Antichrist is fully identified by the fatal head wound and signs the seven year peace treaty with Israel, still people will deny who he is and he will never be identified as such in the media as he will control it. In 2 Timothy 3:1-5 Paul describes what people will be like. I think we can see this now if we are honest and looking: 1 “Remember this! In the last days there will be many troubles,2 because people will love themselves, love money, brag, and be proud. They will say evil things against others and will not obey their parents or be thankful or be the kind of people God wants.3 They will not love others, will refuse to forgive, will gossip, and will not control themselves. They will be cruel, will hate what is good,4 will turn against their friends, and will do foolish things without thinking. They will be conceited, will love pleasure instead of God,5 and will act as if they serve God but will not have his power. Stay away from those people”. Many have a form of religion, but deny the power of real religion, which is the power of the Holy Spirit in the believers life. Many in the church today believe that this power is not even needed. They tell others they have enough of it, or that it was only for the first century church. This is a dangerous belief and doctrine. We need more of his Holy Spirit as the day of the Rapture approaches, not less. Paul in Titus 2:11-13 said: “That is the way we should live, because God's grace that can save everyone has come. 12 It teaches us not to live against God nor to do the evil things the world wants to do. Instead, that grace teaches us to live in the present age in a wise and right way and in a way that shows we serve God. 13 We should live like that while we wait for our great hope and the coming of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”. This is the blessed hope that all true Christians are to be thinking on. Not thinking on it can turn even the best of intentions, into the scoffing of this immanent event. There are many scoffers in the church now as we were told there would be right before his return. 2 Peter 3:3 then 3:8 also reads from Peter: ”First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance”. Peter also said in 2 Peter 3:10-11: 10 “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The skies will disappear with a loud noise. Everything in them will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be exposed. 11 In that way everything will be destroyed. So what kind of people should you be? You should live holy lives and serve God” Finally in Revelation we see all of these Rapture verses fulfilled and move toward the actual event. Revelation 1:7 reads with John the Revelator saying: “ Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds, and everyone will see him, even those who stabbed him. And all peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen”. Notice how John tells us everyone will see him even those who stabbed him, and where are they now? Dead and in hell unless they repented. How will they be able to see him? Supernaturally as will everyone else, as the sky is rolled back like a scroll or a curtain. The Rapture will not be a secret event at all. Then John in the seven Revelatory letters to the churches gives more insight on some who are leaving and some who are staying, to those who refuse to get holy and keep their white robes clean by constant repentance if needed, he says in Revelation 3:3: 3 “So do not forget what you have received and heard. Obey it, and change your hearts and lives. So you must wake up, or I will come like a thief, and you will not know when I will come to you.” But to those who obey he makes a promise in Revelation 3:10-11: 10 “You have obeyed my teaching about not giving up your faith. So I will keep you from the time of trouble that will come to the whole world to test those who live on earth. 11. "I am coming soon. Continue strong in your faith so no one will take away your crown”. Some will be 'kept from' the time of trouble, much like the escape wording. IE:To keep your child from going to school is to keep back physically not protected during. Finally we get to see where all these descriptions are fulfilled here at the sixth seal of Revelation, which is just about to be broken by Jesus (The lamb). This is all like kind language but even with more detail. Revelation 6:12-17: 12 “Then I watched while the Lamb opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black like rough black cloth, and the whole moon became red like blood.13 And the stars in the sky fell to the earth like figs falling from a fig tree when the wind blows.14 The sky disappeared as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the rulers, the generals, the rich people, the powerful people, the slaves, and the free people hid themselves in caves and in the rocks on the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us. Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb!17 The great day for their anger has come, and who can stand against it?" We have seen all similar wording in the previous prophecies by Jesus and others and we never see this language again after the 6th seal, because this is where it occurs. Notice how there is no talk of facing the Antichrist, battle cries, white horses, or Jesus coming to bring final judgment here as we see later on in Revelation 19, or in other Old Testament 2nd coming verses which litter the prophetic books from Isiah to Malachi. This is the start of the last great tribulation period, because Revelation 7: 9-15 proclaims it with evidence of a large crowd of people who have been removed from the earth: Revelation 7:9-15 reads: 9 “After the vision of these things I looked, and there was a great number of people, so many that no one could count them. They were from every nation, tribe, people, and language of the earth. They were all standing before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.10 They were shouting in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."11 All the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures. They all bowed down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,12 saying, "Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanks, honor, power, and strength belong to our God forever and ever. Amen!" 13 Then one of the elders asked me, "Who are these people dressed in white robes? Where did they come from?" 14 I answered, "You know, sir." And the elder said to me, "These are the people who have come out of the great distress. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.15 Because of this, they are before the throne of God. They worship him day and night in his temple. And the One who sits on the throne will be present with them”. So the Rapture has to occur with the sky being rolled back either right before the 6th seal is broken, or as it is broken at the same time, since Jesus comes as a thief. Then the rest of the seal is unleashed. But do not let the fact that this removal occurs at the 6th seal discourage you into thinking that all Christians have to live through some part of the last great tribulation. We have mistakenly thought that it has to occur before the 1st seal, not realizing that the first five seals have already been broken long ago by Jesus, most likely as soon as he went back to heaven. We need to remember that Revelation began back in the 1st century when John was told not to close the prophesy of Revelation. Jesus told him it was for then Johns time, and the future, so it was not all future. Daniel however, was told to close his prophesy until the time of the end. So Daniels starts after the great tribulation begins, especially the last 3 ½ years of the seven, while Revelation has already begun. Even Peter proclaimed in Acts, quoting Joel, that the last days began back in his day, so we are now living in the last of the last days. We are likely the generation that will get to see the end of all things. We are not living before the seven seals right now, but instead in the midst of the fifth and sixth, which also coincides with the lull in between Daniels 69th and 70th week. Many theologians believe we are simply waiting for the 70th week to commence which will start the last great tribulation. If you do even a quick read of the first five seals of Revelation you will discover there is nothing new in them that has not been going on for centuries and more. Also the question that the Martyrs ask Jesus in the 5th seal, show us that it has to be a past event and can't be something that starts after the Rapture occurs and great tribulation begins. It reads in Revelation 6:9: “When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed”. This is not a question that will need to be asked after the Rapture, the 6th seal, or the start of the last great tribulation, because they would then know how long, as most Christians know, once the last great tribulation starts, it will only be approximately seven years to the physical return of Jesus to in fact avenge these deaths. But there is another huge sign among the many going on everywhere to the soon return of Jesus. It is the preparation of the last Jewish temple that will be built in Jerusalem, only to one last time be destroyed during the last great tribulation and then rebuilt one last time for the 1000 year reign of Jesus on the earth. The model has already been built, the Levites are being trained now and they are simply waiting for God to intervene with the miraculous way in which he will allow it to be built. Since the 6th seal will be so massive and destructive, it would be a perfect time for God to take out the dome of the rock in Jerusalem with one of the millions of star fragments that he will unleash on the world. Along with the world wide massive earthquake, the removal of millions of real Christians, the asteroids will cause massive worldwide loss of life, looting and rioting. But we see at the 6th seal, the people of earth know this is from God, so at least for a time, the people and governments will submit to God and the Jews, by signing the seven year peace treaty with Israel and this will officially start the last seven year countdown. Also God may take out much the military might of the world by dropping the stars on their air-forces etc. This is why we see later on in Revelation armies who must wait for the river Euphrates to dry up before they can cross. With the air forces of today, nothing of the like has to occur as they just fly to the wars they engage in.
  12. Satan is a religion and many a war fought to stop him world war 1 world war 2 Satan tried to kill all the Jews, some were just fought for difference of opinion. The next big war will be all about religion and Satan don't kid yourself.
  13. Many heads will be lost during this time will see who really belongs to Christ it's coming so get ready.
  14. How about This! is going. Proverbs 14:15 Solid Proof The Rapture Theory is False I am not someone who likes to beat around the bush all day. Why waste the time? If there is a bird in that bush, reach in there and nab that rascal! As a researcher and a writer I prefer means and methods which get right at the heart of a matter. And I have a couple of questions I like to present to those who promote the pre-trib rapture theory which do exactly that. I find these two questions thought provoking and enlightening, but amazingly I have had great trouble finding a rapture theorist who will address these two questions in an honest and strait-forward manner. I am either given as answers ‘straw-man’ arguments, which have nothing to do with my questions, or a sad rerun of ‘Discredit the message by discrediting the messenger’ (if I can find fault with you I can justify ignoring what you have to say). I can show where all my beliefs about the Return of Christ are plainly and clearly stated in the Bible. The rapture theorist (since it is an ‘implicit’ doctrine) cannot do so, and this lack of biblical support often becomes a great frustration to them. Let me pose these two questions to you, and ask you for an answer that is not an end-run around the question: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1Thessalonians 5:21 I see questions of this nature as being of vital importance to a proper understanding of eschatology. They cause a person to engage in the type of critical reasoning that cuts through the fog of Scripture twisting, unsupported statements, and outright lies that false teachings are cloaked in. Here are the two questions: QUESTION #1 Rapture theorists teach that the Coming of Christ for the Church, and our gathering together unto him, is ‘imminent’ (likely to happen at any second). This concept is a pillar of the pre-trib rapture theory, and without it the theory collapses. They claim the Apostle Paul believed this doctrine of ‘the Imminent Return’ because it was revealed to him by God, that he taught this concept to his followers, and wrote his letters (that we know as Scripture) with this notion presented in them. My first question is this: Exactly when did the Coming of Christ and the Resurrection / Catching-away BECOME imminent? There had to be a time when it was not imminent (before the Cross for example) and then there had to have come a moment when it was now imminent. Exactly when was that moment; when did the rapture BECOME imminent? (If you would like you can post an answer in the comment area below, but please NO straw-man (irrelevant issue) arguments that distract from the subject at hand. I ask that you would directly answer the question.) MY ANSWER: Let me tell you why the pre-trib rapture theorist will not, and in fact cannot, directly address that question. It is because the truthful answer is catastrophic to their doctrine. The truth is that the Return of Christ for the Church could not have been imminent in the days of the early Church, could not have been imminent down through the centuries, could not be imminent today, and will not be imminent until immediately before it actually happens. This is easily provable by examining the Scriptures themselves. THE PROOF There are actually quite a number of prophesies that prohibited the Resurrection / Catching-away from being imminent in the days of the early Church. Let’s first look at just one major road block to this concept: the prophesied death of Peter by being martyred as an old man. The Lord Jesus himself gave this prophesy (John 21:18). It is an irrefutable truism. Historical writings give us a pretty good idea as to not only when Peter died, but also when Paul died. Smith’s Bible Dictionary says, “According to the early writers, he (Peter) died at or about the same time with Paul, and in the Neronian persecution, A.D. 67 or 68. All agree that he (Peter) was crucified.” From this information so far we can know the following to be absolutely true: Jesus said Peter would die as an old man, therefor the Resurrection / Catching-away could NOT happen until this prophesy was fulfilled. Paul died about the same time as Peter. This means the Resurrection / Catching away was NOT imminent during the span of Paul’s ministry to the Body of Christ, and therefor God did NOT reveal to him any such thing! It was not a possibility until the death of Peter! Paul would NOT (under the unction of the Holy Spirit) have taught as doctrine to his followers something that could not possibly happen, nor would he have included this concept in his writings to them. The Scriptures were penned by God himself using holy men as vessels. God does not lie, nor does his Word! It would have been a lie to teach and promote as imminent something NOT possible in his lifetime, amd the Holy Spirit would not have guided Paul to state a falsehood in his writings to the Church! There are many other prophetic statements standing in the way of an imminent Return that had to be fulfilled first, and many that still need fulfillment (they are scattered throughout the pages of the Bible). For the sake of time and space let’s look at the last one (as far as I can tell) to be fulfilled before the Resurrection of the Just and our gathering together unto our Lord could occur. Many say Job is the oldest of the Biblical writings. Even he prophesied of the Resurrection of the Dead. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God (Job 19:26). I have heard many a pre-trib rapture teacher quote that verse from Job, but never this passage: But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? 11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. Job 14:10-12 This unspeakable event in which the heavens go away is spoken of in nearly twenty different places in the Bible yet rarely preached on. Job prophesied this event would PRECEDE our Resurrection! According to the prophesies of the Bible the Resurrection / Catching-away could not become imminent until after the heavens vanish. A thorough look at all the passages detailing this event in the heavens show it to happen either just before, or in conjunction with, the Second Coming of Christ right after the tribulation. CONCLUSION: Thus we see the doctrine of the ‘Imminent Return’ is a provable lie. To say God revealed to Paul the rapture was ‘imminent’ is a lie! To say the Apostle Paul believed this doctrine is a lie. To say Paul taught this doctrine to his followers is a lie. To say Paul wrote his letters that we know as Scripture with this notion presented in them is a lie. To say the Coming of Christ for the Church has been imminent for two thousand years is a lie. To say the Coming of Christ for the Church is now imminent is a lie. The Return of Jesus to catch us away will not be imminent until ALL prophesies that prevent it are fulfilled. The doctrine of the ‘Imminent Return’ is not from the Bible; The Bible refutes such a notion. QUESTION #2. Please pay particular attention to the wording of the following verses. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming (Greek – Parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2Thessalonians 2:1 When Paul wrote to the Church at Thessalonica he earnestly urged them to consider his words about the Return of Jesus and our gathering together unto him; as I also urge you here and now. This second question addresses an aspect of the Coming of Christ and our rising to meet him. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming (Greek – Parousia). 24 Then cometh the end… 1Corinthians 15:22-24 Some try and split up the Resurrection of the Just into a number of events taking place over a period of time. But here the Bible plainly nails it down to one event taking place at one time. We are given here the order of the Resurrection. Christ first, then all they which are his at his Coming / Parousia. First the Head – then the Body. The Resurrection of the Just and our gathering together unto Christ take place at his Coming / Parousia. Plainly stated! And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming (Greek – Parousia): 2Thessalonians 2:8 This verse speaks of the destruction of the Antichrist at the end of his 42 month reign of terror. This brings us to my second question (please take a moment and earnestly consider this): How could the Coming /Parousia (and our gathering unto Jesus) destroy Antichrist at the end of his 42 month reign if the Coming /Parousia (and our gathering unto Jesus) happens before the tribulation? How is this possible? (Again you are welcome to answer this question in the comment section below, but PLEASE do not insult my intelligence (or give others an unfavorable impression of yours) by stating an unsupported element of the rapture theory as a non-answer; such as, “Well, I believe the rapture and the Second Coming are two different things, so there’s your answer.” Stating your beliefs as proof of your beliefs proves nothing at all. I am looking for an answer that actually addresses the conflict the rapture theory creates with the verses given, and the fact they all point to one event.) MY ANSWER: This conflict with Scripture disappears if you place the Coming / Parousia (and our gathering unto Jesus) where the Bible rightly does: at the Second Coming of Christ immediately after the tribulation of those days (Matt. 24:29-31). There is NO prior event taught in the Word of God. ADDITIONAL WITNESS Here is some additional commentary. This is an excerpt from the book ‘The Pre-trib Rapture: A Bucket Full of Holes!’ by Paul Benson Outright Lie: The Coming (parousia) of Christ and his Revelation (apokalupsis) are two separate events. The rapture theory centers around a false notion that there are two separate returns of Jesus in the end-time events. To illustrate the difference in these two events we are explained the first is his invisible Coming (Greek-parousia) to ‘rapture’ the Church, and the second is his Revelation (Greek-apokalupsis) where he is revealed to the world and pours out judgment. There are a number of words used to refer to the Coming / Return of Christ: coming (Greek-‘parousia’), revelation (Greek-apokalupsis), coming (Greek-erchomai) etc., and if you compare their usage in the Bible you will see times they are used interchangeably to refer to the same event. A glaring example is to look at Jesus comparing his Return to the days of Noah and Lot in Matthew 24, and then look at Luke’s account. Matthew has Jesus using the word coming (parousia), but in Luke Jesus speaks of it as the day he will be revealed (apokalupto). Both words are describing the same event! His coming (parousia) is the day he will be revealed (apokalupto). So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming (apokalupsis) of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Corinthians 1:7 The Revelation (apokalupsis) of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass. Revelation 1:1 In the first verse above we have the word ‘apokalupsis’ there translated as coming. The same Greek word is translated in the next example as Revelation! Are you waiting for an unbiblical rapture; or waiting for the Resurrection of the Just at the Coming / Revelation (apokalupsis) of Christ? The Coming of Christ we are waiting for and the Revelation of Jesus Christ are one and the selfsame event! You will not find in the Bible ONE passage of Scripture that plainly describes two comings of Jesus in the end-times. This concept is not from the Bible. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear (phaneroo), we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming (parousia). 1 John 2:28 His Appearance and his Coming are the same event! To separate into two events what the Word of God plainly shows to be one Coming of Christ is error and deception. The pre-trib rapture theory is once again at odds with what is plainly taught in the Scriptures. There are NOT two separate returns of Christ taught in the Bible; this teaching is gross error. The pre-trib-rapture myth is a creation of man, and is a lie against the truth. As all lies are, it is a defilement! If you have been believing and promoting that falsehood I lovingly encourage you to reject it now, and seek the Lord’s forgiveness. If you will turn from that lie and repent for having received it (and taught it to others), God will forgive you and cleanse you from that defilement by the blood of his Son Jesus Christ. He awaits your response. I am praying for you.
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