abrandnewgirl

I agree with what you said. It is unfair that Ron Paul doesn't get any media attention and they ignore him. They have very little to say in regards to what he has to say and what his plans for the country hold. I notice that most of the reports focus on Hillary and Obama; McCain and Romney. I tend to think it is all staged. My thoughts are that Edwards will stay in the reace as long as possible which will in theory get Hillary more of the votes. And Huckabee stays in and the confusion is displayed all the more of who would be our likely candidate. I have my doubts that Romney is able to be a leader in the war but I think as far as the financial debt he could be a great help in that area. I am not holding it completely against him that he is a mormon and please don't read into this wrongly. Many mormons I know of in my area are very nice wonderful people, that doesn't mean I agree with their teachings or their doctrine. I think it would be nice to see McCain and Romney or Huckabee and really take on the challenges we face in the US. But I have this gut wretching feeling that it will be 'Billary' in office. Just some thoughts and they could change..... Abrandnewgirl

no one has asked the million dollar question: why would angels mix with humans? #1 they wouldn't,#2 they can't and #3 if they could and would why are they not doing it now ,today, in this day and age? The reason that the sons of God came and procreated with the women was to tamper with the BLOOD LINE. If they could tamper with the Blood lines guys/gals then Jesus would not have been able to come through man-kind and put satan away. Nephelim mixed with mankind (women) is not a thought I care to dwell on. 'EX' made mention of some scriptures that can not be ignored or shook off. So how would you explain that? Shall we get into 'word' studies? We can certainly disect passages but if things turn to prove your theory wrong then why continue to argue. The Scripture can certainly interpret itself with out us redefining its meaning. Blessings, Abrandnewgirl

I agree with what you write JesusisGod2. Another thing is, if you read The Revelation of Jesus Christ and study it thoroughly, it has an order of things to come and there is NO pretrib Rapture, which is not really a word that we can back up as being doctrinally correct. I learned this when I was a baby christian and it was my own reading that led me to question the teachings and preachings out there. Some of it just did not make sense and it is even more of a mystery to those who debate a pretrib rapture. When I bring up events in Revelation, they do not understand that saints, are the christians it is referring too. I am also under the suspicion that when all hell that breaks loose after the beast ascends from the abyss, 'time' will go speedily for the ones who remain. And when the day the great day arrives where the remnant who died for His Name Sake put on their white robes, every tear they shed will be wiped away and all suffering and hunger they did endure will never be their plight again. These have a special place with the Lord for they have the testimony of Jesus and have over come by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of thier testimony. Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. And the Spirit of Prophecy is the fullfillment of His word and He will complete this wonderful work through us. In my opinion, the real nasty stuff starts to happen when the Beast ascends from the abyss, which is the 2nd woe. The picture changes dramatically and the believers are in grave danger now because the beasts time is recognizeably short. I really had doubts in the pretrib rapture when I started my own studies, but let me say this, if it were for Hal Lindsay's book "The Late Great Planet Earth", I may never had researched it so strongly. Praise God for that! Blessings Abrandnewgirl I used to think on pre-trib doctrine but then saw that this is stretching it then I seen a lot for Mid-trib rapture and really put my hope in this for this is going to be a terrible time on the earth (The tribulation) but then a verse in revelation was brought to me and after really looking at it, how could it be anything but post Rev 20:4-5 "And I saw thrones, and they that sat upon them; and judgement and I saw the souls of them who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither recieved the mark upon thier Foreheads, or in thier hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." Dig in guys, it looks as if we will experience the tribulation, although I believe that God will protect us and supernaturally feed us, seeing as we will not be able to buy or sell or even rent an apartment for that matter. We will pull together as a body and some will be put to death, but what could be better than to be out of this world and be present with God. God says "Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection" verse 6 We are a special people, living in a special time, we will see and experience things no one has ever before experienced. Paul says to encourage each other with this (Being part of the first resurrection). God will never leave us or forsake us, He will be there for us. Thats my opinion of the tribulation rapture, and I am open to others, but it sure looks as if based on this passage of scripture that it will be post trib.

WHO IS BABYLON? ACCORDING TO JEREMIAH 50-51 IS HOW IT ALL STARTED. Well, let's use some of the other books and we can dig a little deeper. Who is Babylon? Is it a place? A system? A region or territory or could it be ancient Persia? This is a topic that I think will continue on until the Two Prophets come on the scene and the abomination of desolation with the Son of Lawlessness being revealed. Then I think it will all be much more clearer. But lets review for now with what we got and see if there is any new material or views that can "hold water". Hope to hear your opinions. Girl

I am always amazed that people think this way!! As if being a christian is going to excuse one from times of trouble......And where does this idea that the tribulation is a time of punishment for those left on the earth?? That is ludicrous in thinking that way. Please explain why you think you are excused from suffering?? Suffering for His Name sake is Biblical. While there is yet time, Let's keep our heads on our shoulders while we can.....a time may come when we are asked if we are believers in Jesus the Messiah....and it will be our hearts and a confessing mouth in Jesus Christ that liberates us to cross over. Corrie Ten Boom thought Jesus was going to rapture her and her sister away and it never happened! They had every reason in the world to think they were in the end times and tribulation. Was God allowing them to be punished??? I am trying to make a point here people.....And what about all the christians, men and women and children that were thrown into the lion pits and persecuted...they were told the end is at hand...and were they being punished??? Tribulation is defined as Trouble....In the end it is going to be great tribulation, as in no other time before. I think some people don't really give it much thought about the fact that they may have to die for his name sake or that it could possibly come to that. It would be so much easier to just fantisize us being caught away before all Hell breaks loose but I am not reading that in between the lines. I would rather have God's truth and His Holy Spirit with me in good times and bad times....this life on earth is just a moments affliction. Who would die for their Lord when it boils down to it? Seems to me alot of muslims are more willing than christians. Where is the passion for Jesus as Paul had while he lived and walked the earth or Zeal and fire like John the Baptizer??? I think if all Hell broke loose many would run for their lives and great fear would overtake many.....and many would fall away. Let's hear some answers for that..... Abrandnewgirl

I had the great honor of being invited to Mexico on a mission trip years back and it changed some thoughts I felt I knew about demons. First of all, that trip was a real eye opener for me. Not only was it my first time visiting a third world country, but my eyes were literally opened to the fact that there are REAL demons that can over take a person and over power them. I saw what the Bible described as demon possesion and devils working through people. And their beliefs there were also intermingled with some weird stuff like voodoo, "white witch-craft"---which is plain witch craft to me and alot of superstition. I had demons tell me their names when I was <actually asking for the name of the person itself>. And what surprised me was that the interpreter would ask the individual a question and <the individual would look at me (not with their eyes but with eyes that were empty and dark and blackened) and answer me in PLAIN ENGLISH>. I think demons have no choice but to answer us, as we have been given all power and authority in the Name of Jesus. They will give us the truth. It did shock me at first when I experienced these manifestations but the Holy Spirit leads us and guides us on what to do next. It was perfectly 'supernatural' to rebuke them and forbid them to play games with me. Shortly after my return home from the mission trip I did encounter some blatant manifestions. I guess I need to go out and do more missions. Getting out of our "familiarity" forces us to trust God more and to draw closer to Jesus. I do not encounter much of this activity any more, well, in the USA and on home soil but I have seen manifestations of "Mockery"and facial expressions that can't seem to control themselves. I have a 'hunch' that the demons here in the U.S. are more religous in charactor and people are more 'prideful' and 'self righteous' than the third world countries. WE don't seem to have open doors to "spiritual" encounters as they do for the very reason being that we--and I am suggesting we is "our country", is alot like the pharisees and sadducees. Religious. Upright in our own ways and our own philosophies and theology of christianity. I think the demons in our region are much more difficult to uproot and deal with head-on than third world countries, just for the reason that they blend in so well with what we confuse as strength and power. But then again, "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. So let's get to praying! And I must add, we need to know who we are in Christ Jesus. We are children of our Heavenly Father, high presits, Blessed, Forgiven, Without blemish, Servants of the Most High...add more on if you like to...... Blessings Abrandnewgirl

Wow! I am so impressed with what I am reading. I need to print this. You should write a book.....very well said. Blessings, Abrandnewgirl

Yes. Exactly. (to the first questions, not your last statement) It's etrnal punishment not punishing. The punishment or results last forever, not the punishing. okay. I read your reply. I guess we are all entitled to an opinion. I don't see that in the bible. Sorry...Maybe if you have some scriptural evidence I could possible refer to it and pray on the matter. Remember the thread anyone...? God Bless Girl

Tom, Ummm....I am trying to follow where you go with this, so don't be offended or defensive. But are you saying that there will come an end to HELL eventually? And that somewhere along the line that those who have perished and gone to HELL will no longer exist at some point? That would mean their eternal punishment would come to an end. I am just trying to understand what it is that you interpret. If I have lost the track on what you are saying, help me to understand. Thanks. Girl It is my understanding that Hell is forever. To perish is to perish on earth....when the body we inhabit is no longer of use.

Look who's talking about complacency! You think that God is unable to preserve His Wortd ot us? you think that He cannot see to it that the translators whose responsibility under God was to make the Word available to the world were not commandeered by the Holy Spirit? My, how you limit the God of the universe! That is complacency and laziness of faith if I ever heard it. What I teach? No--what God tells us! Where did I say destroyed doesn't mean destoyed, etc? I know words very well, and have studied myself, thank you. It should give you pause and even fear to note that you are opposing many Christians here! Sounds also like you are relying on independent study and perception, which is a dangerous folly. If you are receiving teaching along these lines, then you are being led astray. The bible does not contradict itself--YOU contradict it! I don't ignore any part of what God has said to us, and I resent your inference that I do. It is you who is ignoring the plain truth and embracing what your mind conjures up as a convenient truth...a lie, because your sensibilities cannot grasp that God means business---forever and ever. Your gray matter is acting as a contradiction, refusing to accept on faith what the Word clearly tells us. The mind is a terrible thing to waste---forever. FloatingAxe, Are you blind? Of course God can preserve his word. I don't limit God at all. But I do know that there is a warning in Revelation to any one who would change the scriptures. Why would he say that unless somebody would do such a thing? The other point is that There are so many different translations of the original sccriptures(different modern bibles). Are they all inspired? The original scriptures did not change, but the new translations keep changing. That is where it takes study and perserverance to learn what the inspired writers were conveying. You seem to be getting very defensive and are being close minded and not hearing anything I am saying. I'm quite sure you will indeed take offense to the statement I just made. and I didn't say that the bible contradicts itself. The english translations in some areas say that the wicked will be destroyed, or they will perish, or they will be burned up. I don't know what dictionary you use, but as far as I can see, in plain English, that means they will be consumed, which is another word the bible uses. These words are quite opposite of living forever in torture. So according to your beliefs, these words I just stated don't really mean destroyed, burned up, consumed, etc.... ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` So if you believe that the the wicked will be burned forever then they will not literally perish, or be consumed or be burned up, or become ashes. So again I say that the bible does not contradict itself, just the english translations, and so it does take intense study. and no, I don't just study on my own, but I also am not led like a puppet following blindly what the world tries to brainwash me with either. Hey Guys! Peace. Let's discuss this peacefully without getting into an upheaval. Satan has a hay-day with division. Especially in the christian body. Looks like my thread took a little bit of a change in it's course. Now Tom, I was wondering.....Are these definitions out of the dictionary, as in webster...(?) or are they from the greek/ hebrew dictionary? I couldn't help but notice you put up two other men's defintions of some words (AJ Balfour & also Thomas Hood). God is in favor of all of us knowing interpretations....and I want to be able to do the same also. I am looking more into this, but my understanding of the concept of "perish" would be leaving this world and spending eternity in hell--forever...what I recall is that those who chose not to follow christ and reject the salvation of the Lord would indeed be separated "forever" from God the Father. And being separated from God the Father would be complete torment in itself, in a literal place called hell, forever. Maybe you could establish your thoughts and definitions a little better so we can understand where your insights are coming from exactly. I think what I am gathering is you are taken with the definitions of these bible scholars have given...? Is that correct? Just trying to get a better understanding. Thanks, Girl

...."the apostle Paul taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in 1Thessalonians........" HMMMmmmmmmmm.... That is quite a statement CJ. No offense, but I don't see Paul as a Pre-trib kinda guy. In fact, what I have read in the Bible is that we will be persecuted, beaten, even killed all because of His Name. And if that is so, then I know the Lord has given me and many others the courage to go through what he already forewarned us about. I am sure many christians-- back in the times fo Paul and the disciples were not decieved into being raptured at the time of the horrible deaths they endured. Even Paul himself, knew that to die was gain. I choose to believe the same. Like I said, what will happen when the antichrist sets himself up in the temple and we are still here? (((Praise God...that's what.))) WHY? Because his Word is being fulfilled before our very eyes and the prophets would have loved so much to be alive on earth to witness all things fulfilled. These are the greatest days in History---I believe. When you hear the Last Trump....The get ready. Amen Blessings, Girl

That is interesting that MSNBC news put this out. I find it very interesting. I am surprised more have responded to this thread. It is significant that secular news would make such a note of this kind. Thanks George. Girl

Well George, I sure hope I don't jumble up your thread too much, and I cannot resist to say that -the reason why "The Left Behind" series is in the fiction department, is because it is ~fiction~. And the idea of a pre-tribulation is not really in the Bible. In fact the whole concept of the rapture and pretribulation disspensationalism concept came out in the 1800's by John Darby, who while he was laid up with broken leg(s) put more effort into this idea of 'his' regarding the pretribulation. OKAY....I know, there are many teachings about the return of Christ before all "hell" really breaks loose on earth, but so many scriptures are being pulled out of context to fit this teaching. The time is coming and I don't believe it is far off-- that all these things left to be fullfilled by the prophets will happen before our very eyes. Jesus would not want us to fear this time and I am not afraid....we were born in a very special time. to see the fullfillment of the Word. And to live is Christ and to die is gain. I am sure I will anger many followers of the pretrib theory for saying this but I am confident that our generation has key evidence -that this "Generation" will rush in the climax of the end of earth as we know it. And many of you who are waiting to be caught away before the 7 years will be in for a shock when you find yourselves still here on earth and seeing the Anti-Christ set himself up in the temple. You'll be scratching your heads wondering, why are we still here?? Let me encourage you though....YOU were born for such a time as this. You know what not to do when the end comes and do not be decieved.....even you who are the very elect of God. Do not fear and do not be decieved. Study to your yourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 Amen. Girl

Thank you for caring!! I am at my mom's...clean and it feels good to be here. I did have to find a new home for my kitty and brought her to it today. That was tough. But with things going the way they have, it is better for her. I have alot of figuring out to do. But I will need to get some rest. I am drained....physically, mentally and emotionally. Just fine spiritually Girl

Well, when you think about it....just like little kids, we can choose to obey and do what's right (with an iron fist ruling) because the one with that iron fist loves us (he died for us)..... And most of us as parents do not discipline our children because we are mean, we do it because we LOVE them and our rules and sharpening is meant for their protection and security. Naughty kids (adults too) don't always see it that way. It's like the foods we eat too....McDonalds---->or Nutritious salads and choice lean meats. And I have been giving much thought to the Book of Genisis too....how it was in the beginning. How Adam and Eve lived for that (TIME?? what do you call it--it was not really time then was it??) They were given the grass, herbs, fruit, anything from the ground to eat, etc.... And they didn't eat meat then. But of course, that was before the whole realm changed and the flood.....Gosh, I have a lot of thoguhts going all over with this.....but from what I read, there will be somethings different from how it was in the beginning. Who has heard that Lucifer fell from heaven before the earth and Adam & Eve? And that God knew Adam & Eve would sin...that he had a plan before all was started with the earth? And the tree of life in the garden.....Is it the cross?? Genesis: 3 21-24 ; Also see Genesis 2:8-9. ((Somehow I need to get back to the 1000 yrs and who is decieved)) OMG!! I apologize, I made a bunny trail.....