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Wiccan, according to the Word of God, one can either be for the one true God or against Him. Though there are many denominations(including the non denominations) of Christians, if they have really accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior, then they are for God. Anybody that has not accepted God's gift of grace and mercy is against Him. That goes for the errant doctrines of the JW's, Mormons, Islamic, Buddhists, Wiccan, satanists, Sikhs, and so forth.

God-man, As to the original post in this thread, it seems to be making a case for the Trinitarian view. It is saying that the Lord(Jesus) is the Spirit(Holy Spirit), yet by naming them as such, Paul is also showing a distinction between the two.

Check out the websites for Answers in Genesis and Creation Science Evangelism for that information.

I'm not sure I know of any creationists that use that contradictory belief system. A couple of good websites to check out would be the Answers in Genesis and Kent Hovind's. There are some issues that AIG and Dr. Hovind disagree on, but overall they are more reliable than a secular scientist with a open disdain for God's existence.

I've come to the belief in pre-tribulationism. From my studies, I think that Christ will take us up in the rapture, and His 1,000 year reign will begin after that. In 1 and 2 Thessalonians(i can't recall the exact verses right now), there is seemingly supporting evidence for the rapture occuring prior to the tribulation(1 Thess), and for Jesus' return to rule over and judge the earth(2 Thess). A very good book to use as a supplementary resource is David Jeremiah's, Escape the Coming Night.

For one, the carbon dating method is seriously flawed. In reality, it is impossible for the carbon dating method to measure back 100,000 years. Also, carbon dating is based on assumptions that are more than likely false. The main assumption is the belief that carbon intake has been the same since time began. With the industrial age and other advances, it is far more likely that carbon intake is dramatically different than that of 250 years ago.

Doesn't matter either way to me. Not only do we have faith to know that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, but we have so much more evidence to corroborate the fact that He is who He claimed to be. Of course, it's interesting to note that when something like this is found out in the Christian realm, the secular world is on it like vultures on rotting flesh. Yet, when secularists forge things, such as false dating methods of the earth, we are supposed to discount any evidence that refutes it(such as the impact on the earth of a worldwide flood and the ice age that came after it).

Actually, Cats, the use of marijuana and hemp dates back to the Far East about 5,000 years ago. Also, as for the wine Jesus drank, it was real wine mixed with real water or either boiled into a paste(thereby evaporating all alcohol). The wine we can buy in stores today would fall under strong drink in Biblical terms. This is not to say we are to resort to legalism and cast an umbrella of sin over a glass or two of wine.

Just for the record, I don't think anyone here denies that demons exist. To do so would go against what the Bible says. I still think that most, if not all, of these crop circles are merely hoaxes. Either way, there is nothing to gain by focusing on them(unless you are an insurance adjuster).

I don't have a problem with Christian metal, or any other form of Christian music, for that matter. What is disheartening is to go to a concert and not get a clear Gospel message while there. I've been to see Third Day(not metal), and glorifying God was clearly the reason to be there. I've been to other concerts by Christian groups, and other than a few lyrics in the songs, you would never know they were supposed to be Christian. In fact, I was watching an interview with a Canadian Christian band, Jake, and they were asked why they chose to be Christian rather than secular. They hemmed and hawed, and finally said they didn't know. There was much more unimpressive missed opportunities in that interview. I couldn't imagine going to a Sunday service and not be learning and worshipping God. I can't imagine reading a theological book, and not be learning and worshipping God. I can't imagine listening to a Christian group and not be worshipping God.

"If this had been something that any of you had experienced or anyone in your family had you would want the truth that sets them free too. Not some packaged comfortable idea to sweep it under the carpet... " As a Christian, I believe you would want to tell the truth to everyone so that they could be set free.

I can't recall the site that I really want to list, but hopefully will be able to find it by this weekend. As soon as I find it, I will be back in here. If I haven't posted by Sunday, PM me to remind me.

Eric, I wasn't saying you were focused on demons. I was just making the observation with the seeming obsession with demons by some of today's Christians. I realize that there is some in the church that would rather not hear about them, and truth be told, probably don't believe in them. I know that the Bible says they exist, so they exist. My point was that Jesus never focused on demons. Sure, he cast demons out of people, and he overcame evil at Golgotha, but He never took His eyes off the Father above. In fact, when Jesus preached, He did a lot of preaching about what hell is like. He told who hell was invented for, and that without Him, people(who hell was not created for) would also inhabit it someday. His focus was always to get people to turn to the Father. To worry about the hoax crop circles and assign a demon to them is pointless. Besides, if they were made by demons, the crops probably would be destroyed. I'm just saying that we should be wary of satan and his cronies, and that we shouldn't give them a lot of "airplay". That is not the same thing as closing our eyes and pretending they are not there.

Sounds like a good documentary to watch. Well now, excuse me while I go read all the times Jesus' teaching was focused on demons.

As far as the United States goes, when the founding fathers discussed religion they were talking about Christianity. The differences they were wanting to allow was denominations within the realms of Christianity. Any time a "religion" other than Christianity was referred to it was called a false religion. We would serve each other well to read the writings of these men(even the deist Jefferson), rather than rely on some politically correct liberal's interpretation of their words.

In understanding the realization that there ARE demons, we aren't to be consumed with them. More than likely, the crop circles are hoaxes. As being fully spiritually aware, I know I am to glorify God rather than define demons.

It's probably nothing to worry about at all. Even if the room were supposedly haunted, we should never give the devil more attention than he deserves. In fact, we should be wary of him.

Hey IR, concerning your post, "I'm really quite impressed. It takes real talent to put that many words in a post and make absolutley no sense." IR If that's the case THERE are QUITE a few talenT-ED pEOPLE here.

I thought this was a mixture of Philosophy 101 and Cheech and Chong, The Reunion.

I've often wondered why the gifts of healing, tongues, prophecy are so much boasted of, yet the other gifts listed in the Bible seem to get the cold shoulder. There are several passages that deal with many different gifts, and there are even more passages that show people using God given abilities to further His kingdom. Having said that, I believe one of my primary gifts is helping. I'm more of a behind the scenes type person.

Nope, I haven't seen those. My little NASB is on its last legs. When it finally wears out, I hope to be able to find a nicely bound, leather edition so that it will have a longer than five year life span.

Dr. Steve, I just wanted to stir the pot a little bit. I have never seen an ESV, but it sounds like a version to check out in the near future. Keep posting the wonderful insights, brother.

I'll keep using the NASB as my primary Bible, supplemented with the NIV and the NKJV in that order. Also, some of the more modern day language Bibles are excellent supplements to Bible study also.

KEEPING TO ONE TRANSLATION IS VERY IMPORTANT..THE MORE THE WORLD TRANSLATES ,THE MORE WE LOSE OF THE WORD OF GOD If this statement were true, then everyone should burn their English translations. That goes for the KJV crowd too since A. KJV wasn't the first English translation and B. if it were the first, it would still be a translation. I believe God has blessed us with a great opportunity by having so many different English translations. Granted, we should be on the lookout for those that go against God's Word, yet as far as this debate goes it is a much smaller number than some would think. Dr. Steve, just to add my 2 cents worth, I think the NAS is the most accurate and best translation in the English language.

So, it seems that we have Wisdom Jr. Great post!