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  1. It is true that we serve a risen Savior. It is also high time that we get our facts straight--the truth shall set you free. 1) EGW was NOT the "founder" of the SDA church. 2) The 10C were written on stone by God (not moses, so they are not "Mosaic") and entrusted to the Jews who were to be the light of the world. Since the nation rejected Jesus as the Messiah, the dead limbs were cut off and we Gentiles are grafted on -- most Christians still kept the Sabbath as late as the 5th century and in Ireland and Ethiopia even later than that. 3) Until Martin Luther came along there were no Ptotestants in general and Lutherans in particular--does that mean that they aren't legit? 4) Yes, Jesus ate meat (He ate the lamb at Passover) and He ate fish--is there any record of Him eating meat on a more regular basis than that? No. 5) One of Ellen White's most popular works is entitled Steps to Christ--it is widely available online. Another wortk that is also quite popular is her book on the life of Jesus called Desire of Ages. Both are well worth the time it takes to read them.
  2. If that was so then why did most Christians as late as the 5th century keep the Sabbath? Note also: "The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).
  3. The Bible says that it is laweful to do good on the Sabvbath. So we have no trouble with any of the above. The second sentence is very good. God already chose the day to meet with Him and He made it holy and asked you to "remember" to keep it holy as well.
  4. Shalom Brother and welcome to Worthy! First off, your friend is incorrect. One's salvation is not determined by what day they attend church. That teaching is a false teaching and not found in the Bible. That is a sign of a cult, BTW, that our salvation is based upon outward works. Interesting that the guy talks about worshipping on a particular day but the response is about being a member of a specific church! Joe, tell your friend that in the last days it won't matter which church you go to--God will call all His true children unto Himself (Rev. 18:4). As for which day you go to church that isn't the problem. The question is when do you worship God? God only set one day aside as holy on which to worship him and your friend is correct (if compeletely misguided in his approach) that it is the Sabbath (Saturday).
  5. djconklin

    Daniel 8

    Before becoming SDA we used to be Methodists. But, when taking Bible studies we would run and ask the pastor if these things were so. He'd say yes. We'd ask then why don't you preach it at church. He said that if he did he'd lose his job. We could care less--we want to hear what the Bible says. So we quit that church and became Adventists. Good people, lots of love and support. By all means pray (without ceasing according to Scripture). As for being labeled a cult there are people who label the Catholic church a cult. The word has about as much meaning and value as the the 'N' word when discussing race relations. Dr. Walter Martin spent several years and actually talked with church leaders and found that we were not a cult.
  6. Before Martin Luther there were no Protestants, before John Wesley there were no Methodists. Ellen White didn't create the SDA movement all by herself. Over 2,000 pastors across denominational lines worked in the Millerite movement in the 1840's preaching the soon coming of Jesus christ (hence the name "Second Advent"). This later "evolved" into the SDA church in 1863.
  7. Ra was a god in Egypt; it is highly unlikely that many in Constantinople worshipped him. In any case, as I noted earlier recent research has shown that the changeover stated much earlier--around 135 A.D.--what Constantine did was to pass the first Sunday Blue law, which we will see again near the end of time.
  8. If you know better and don't do it isn't that a sin? What is the wages of sin? Isn't it death? How about: It is also not very wise to say that anybody who doesn't worship God is going to suffer in hell? It is also not very wise to say that anybody who worships graven images is going to suffer in hell? or It is also not very wise to say that anybody who bears false witness agianst their neighbor is going to suffer in hell? Aren't those true? Shouldn't you warn your fellow man about the consequences of their actions? Wouldn't be a lie to be a false prophet and tell people its okay to disobey God, He'll just wink and let you in on the side when you know full well that they will die forever when they could have had eternal life?
  9. Thanks for your response. Where's the Scripture that says "worship" and "every day"? The one in Acts doesn't say what they did while at the Temple. And that was only in Jerusalem. Covered above. First of all, I don't have an agenda, except to tell people that God loves us and wants us to love Him in return. As the Beatle's song said: "Love is the answer." Secondly we could just as easily, and more accurately, flip it around: "it is not Scriptural to insist the only day of worship is not Saturday." The Bible is very consistent and only points to the Sabbath as being the day to worship God. Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Notice how the last verse is repeated in Revelation just before the end of time: Revelation 14:6-7 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
  10. Actually, we now know that the change-over was earlier than that. It appears that around the time of the second Jewish revolt in 135 A.D. the Romans and mobs took advantge of the fact that the Jews kept the Sabbath--so now they knew where they were--and would attack then--not realizing, or distinguishing, that Christians also kept the Sabbath. So, primarily in Rome and Alexandria they changed their day of worship from Sabbath to Sunday. Constantine's act as a political ploy to gain more more power.
  11. Responding to post #30: Or, #4 they read the Bible carefully and saw that the 10C is based on the moral principle of love. And since they love God with all their heart, mind and strength and they love their neighbor as themselves they obey His commands.
  12. You can pray any day. The only day God has asked you to worship Him is on the Sabbath. Some Christians around 135 A.D. when the Jews were revolting against Rome decided that since the Romans couldn't tell who was a Jew and who was a Christian decided to change the day on which they worshipped to be Sunday. But, as late as the 5th century most Christians still kept the Sabbath (except those in Rome and Alexandria).
  13. If it didn't matter then why did God in the command point back to a particular day of the week (the seventh) and (people always forget this part) tell us to work the other 6?
  14. 1) The Sabbath is one of the 10C and none of them have ever been abrogated or changed by God. The 10C define what the dividing line is between righteousness and unrighteousness. Those who love God with all their heart, mind and soul and their neighbor as themselves will not break any of the Laws of God. 2) The problem here is that Paul isn't even talking about the seventh-day Sabbath. For more details see my study at http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_B...n/colintro.html. In the above "translation" there is no Greek support for adding the word "what" to the text. And the Greek word "heorte" always and only means "feast" --not "religious festivals."
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