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  1. The day 20 million illegals are deported would be a day of jubilee. We would be rid of 20 million criminals. The elimination of 20 million criminals, how wonderful.
  2. In detail, what is your will for my life?"
  3. Chemical imbalance = need for physical healing.
  4. An elderly gentleman at a church I once attended told us about the big debate about whether the electric organ was of the devil. He said that when they bought their first organ, that many thought it was of the devil. CCM, same old stupid argument, new instruments.
  5. Serious question. If one truly believes it is God's will for them to be sick, why take medicine to try and recover from the sickness? If you really believe that the sickness and suffering is the will of God, why take medicine to try and escape the sickness? If you believe God wills you to be sick, is not taking medicine to attempt to escape the sickness an act of rebellion?
  6. We do not have mental illness in Churches who believe in casting out devils. and openly use the rite. Shalom, Not true. Blanket generalization. Warning Will Robinson!! Churches who properly practice deliverance do not have members who suffer from mental illness. Shalom, Not true. Not all mental illness is caused by demons. I love how you so tactfully post your replies. "Hello, you are a liar." Really warms people up to your point of view. Whether mental illness is directly caused by demonic manifestation or is merely natural sickness; healing and/or deliverance are available to those willing to receive. As I said earlier, churches who properly practice deliverance do not have mentally ill members.
  7. Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, simply making a couple of points. It can in no way be shown in scripture that Paul's thorn in the flesh was physical sickness. The Greek text plainly says that his thorn was an angel of Satan sent to buffett his ministry. The physical ailments suffered by Paul were all due to beatings, roddings, etc that he suffered at the hands of men. The Demon was attacking his ministry, there is ample evidence to support that. The demon was even driving men to attack Paul, but the demon was not directly causing Paul to be sick. There is not scriptural evidence that can be presented to say the thorn was physical sickness. To contend that Paul's thorn in the Flesh was sickness is merely adding 2 and two and arriving at 5. The text is plain on the issue of the thorn. The text plainly states that the thorn was a messenger/angel (words in Greek are interchangable) of Satan. Job's trials were pre-cavalry. They were even pre-old covenant. Job did not have the covenant authority given him that we as new covenant believers have been given. Scofield: "It has been conjectured that Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was chronic ophthalmia, inducing bodily weakness, and a repulsive appearance (Galatians 4:15); (1 Corinthians 2:3); (1 Corinthians 2:4); (2 Corinthians 10:10). This cannot be positively known, and the reserve of Scripture is as sure a mark of inspiration as its revelations. Paul's particular "thorn" is not described that his consolations may avail for all to who any thorn is given." Robertson's Word Pictures: "A thorn in the flesh (skolops tēi sarki). This old word is used for splinter, stake, thorn. In the papyri and inscriptions examples occur both for splinter and thorn as the meaning. In the lxx it is usually thorn. The case of tēi sarki can be either locative (in) or dative (for). What was it? Certainly it was some physical malady that persisted. All sorts of theories are held (malaria, eye-trouble, epilepsy, insomnia, migraine or sick-headache, etc.). It is a blessing to the rest of us that we do not know the particular affliction that so beset Paul. Each of us has some such splinter or thorn in the flesh, perhaps several at once. Messenger of Satan (aggelos Satana). Angel of Satan, the affliction personified." Albert Barnes: "The messenger of Satan - Among the Hebrews it was customary to attribute severe and painful diseases to Satan; compare Job 2:6-7; compare note on Luke 13:16. In the time of the Saviour malignant spirits are known to have taken possession of the body in numerous cases, and to have produced painful bodily diseases, and Paul here says that Satan was permitted to bring this calamity on him." Adam Clarke: "The word σκολοψ signifies a stake, and ανασκολοπιζεσθαι, to be tied to a stake by way of punishment; and it is used, says Schoettgen, to signify the most oppressive afflictions. Whatever it was, it was τῃ σαρκι, in the flesh, i.e. of an outward kind. It was neither sin nor sinfulness, for this could not be given him to prevent his being exalted above measure; for sin never had and never can have this tendency. What this thorn in the flesh might be has given birth to a multitude of conjectures: Tertullian thought it dolor auriculae, the ear ache; Chrysostom, κεφαλαλγια, the head ache; Cyprian, carnis et corporis multa ac gravia tormenta, many and grievous bodily torments." Matthew Henry: "The apostle was pained with a thorn in the flesh, and buffeted with a messenger of Satan, 2 Corinthians 12:7. We are much in the dark what this was, whether some great trouble or some great temptation. Some think it was an acute bodily pain or sickness; others think it was the indignities done him by the false apostles, and the opposition he met with from them, particularly on the account of his speech, which was contemptible. However this was, God often brings this good out of evil, that the reproaches of our enemies help to hide pride from us; and this is certain, that what the apostle calls a thorn in his flesh was for a time very grievous to him: but the thorns Christ wore for us, and with which he was crowned, sanctify and make easy all the thorns in the flesh we may at any time be afflicted with; for he suffered, being tempted, that he might be able to succour those that are tempted. Temptations to sin are most grievous thorns; they are messengers of Satan, to buffet us. Indeed it is a great grievance to a good man to be so much as tempted to sin." "Job did not have the covenant authority given him that we as new covenant believers have been given." Authority to...what? Show me in the Scriptures where we as believers are told to order off demons, etc... John 14:12? " Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father." Sorry, can't agree there. Barnes, again: "The word 'greater' cannot refer to the miracles themselves, for the works of the apostles did not exceed those of Jesus in power. No higher exertion of power was put forth, or could be, than raising the dead. But, though not greater in themselves considered, yet they were greater in their effects. They made a deeper impression on mankind. They were attended with more extensive results. They were the means of the conversion of more sinners. The works of Jesus were confined to Judea. They were seen by few. The works of the apostles were witnessed by many nations, and the effect of their miracles and preaching was that thousands from among the Jews and Gentiles were converted to the Christian faith. The word
  8. Sorry, my question was lost in the mess. My question is how do you say, "There is no mental illness where the church ministers deliverance" and then say you do go to church... so to say. ?? How do we minister to those who have bought into the deception when we have separated ourselves from making a difference?? When I am not doing a service and I have to 'go' to church (local believing body/building/gathering), even when I recoil at some of the deadness and bondage. I still am required by the Lord to speak life into those the Lord sends me one at time.. I pray for the Pastor to move into the higher calling.. apply Grace to the things that don't quiet add up. I am expecting the Lord to move on the body of Christ and bring about the brokeness it takes to see the latter rain harvest. Church needs healing first before we will be able to bring in those who are broken and beat down.. We need a revelation of what "sin" truly is. God's perspective on it.. There is an awakening... it is getting back to the basics. I choose to minister inside and out.. Sure, I get a lot of rejection for my stand.. I have learned to leave those up to the Lord. Sure beats being offended and picking up them devil darts... Just my opinion... Blessings, Karen OK, I understand now. I know several churches who are extremely active in the deliverance ministry. I know many of their members and even occasionally attend the churches, long drive.
  9. Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, simply making a couple of points. It can in no way be shown in scripture that Paul's thorn in the flesh was physical sickness. The Greek text plainly says that his thorn was an angel of Satan sent to buffett his ministry. The physical ailments suffered by Paul were all due to beatings, roddings, etc that he suffered at the hands of men. The Demon was attacking his ministry, there is ample evidence to support that. The demon was even driving men to attack Paul, but the demon was not directly causing Paul to be sick. There is not scriptural evidence that can be presented to say the thorn was physical sickness. To contend that Paul's thorn in the Flesh was sickness is merely adding 2 and two and arriving at 5. The text is plain on the issue of the thorn. The text plainly states that the thorn was a messenger/angel (words in Greek are interchangable) of Satan. Job's trials were pre-cavalry. They were even pre-old covenant. Job did not have the covenant authority given him that we as new covenant believers have been given.
  10. AMEN!! Where do you go to Church!! Blessings, Karen I very seldom go to "Church." I will go to a church when called to minister at it. However If not ministering, I usually do not go. I enjoy meeting with groups of on fire belivers in our homes. Some would call them "home churhces." I really do not refer to them as that. The word tells us to not forsake the gathering together of the brethren. However, it does not say "go hang out under the steeple and play social club." Too many churches are social clubs. Too many members are merely hanging out under the steeple with their friends. The fruits of both the churches and the individual believers bear witness to this. My question then is HOW do you make this statement about churches.. Not to split hairs with you but it does not add up.. I agree on the social club statement. But in my calling THEY are the ones we are sent to minister to as much as those who are of the un believing camp. I preach on the drug culture and the access the enemy has had on the church. Some have even walked out when I speak about the drug epidemic W/I the church... oh my! I preach addressing your emotional issues, sin issues, unforgiveness... then healing and casting out demons... They go hand in hand.. We have to get back to the basics... there are hinderances that block healing.. How is the church going to get well if all those who are hearing from God these last days separate themselves? Can we address this area w/o causing division?? Yes, my support for the womens home depends on my itinerating. But that does not rule over what I have to share... even at the expense of not being supported.. Blessings, Karen
  11. Are you serious when you say you think autism is caused by vaccinations and what evidence would you have for that view-point. The evidence that the Pharmacutical companies took mercury out of all their Childhood vaccines. When they did this Autism diagnosis went down dramatically. Also, the fact that the disease is non-existent in third world countries in which they do not vaccinate. In America they still have to take mercury out of some vaccines. There is a possible link and they are now doing studies to see if there is an actual link. We will wait and see. If there is a link get that mercury out. Thankfully the mmr does not contain mercury. This is only a possible link as they also think it might be genetic. The disease is not non-existent in the third world countries by the way. Third world countries that do not vaccinate. Do not leave off the "do not vaccinate part."
  12. We do not have mental illness in Churches who believe in casting out devils. and openly use the rite. Shalom, Not true. Blanket generalization. Warning Will Robinson!! Churches who properly practice deliverance do not have members who suffer from mental illness. AMEN!! Where do you go to Church!! Blessings, Karen I very seldom go to "Church." I will go to a church when called to minister at it. However If not ministering, I usually do not go. I enjoy meeting with groups of on fire belivers in our homes. Some would call them "home churhces." I really do not refer to them as that. The word tells us to not forsake the gathering together of the brethren. However, it does not say "go hang out under the steeple and play social club." Too many churches are social clubs. Too many members are merely hanging out under the steeple with their friends. The fruits of both the churches and the individual believers bear witness to this.
  13. We do not have mental illness in Churches who believe in casting out devils. and openly use the rite. Shalom, Not true. Blanket generalization. Warning Will Robinson!! Churches who properly practice deliverance do not have members who suffer from mental illness.
  14. Are you serious when you say you think autism is caused by vaccinations and what evidence would you have for that view-point. The evidence that the Pharmacutical companies took mercury out of all their Childhood vaccines. When they did this Autism diagnosis went down dramatically. Also, the fact that the disease is non-existent in third world countries in which they do not vaccinate.
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