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  1. Well it is a teaching of the catholic church that people in it MUST accept all the official teachings of the Church,, all their traditions.. I see a lot of catholics who say they disagree with roman catholic church teachings but still believe they are catholics, when the catholic church makes it clear all catholic must submit themselves to ALL the official teachings of the catholic church.. I am an ex-catholic.. I was a catholic up until my early 20's.. That's when i first read the Bible and became a Bible believing Christian.
  2. Well those who have rejected the Gospel of Jesus are given over to deception and delusions so they can add uninspired books and lead themselves down the path to destruction.. God allows people who reject His will to wonder into oblivion.. To put the history into simple terms.. The original Christians declared the 66 books to be inspired.. But some of the Christians believed that other books had some benifit in them but that they where not inspired.. So they declared 66 books conical and the others non-conical.. But the non-conical ones where placed together with the bible for so long that the many regarded them as scripture like the rest.. When the protestant break happened the leaders of the movement decided to only have the inspired books in their Bible and this was seen as a challenge to the authority of the catholic bible that had those non-conical books added.. So the catholic authorities then ( i believe it was in the 1500 ds ) declared the formerly non-conical books to now be the inspired word of God.. over 1000 years after they where declared to not be the inspired word of God..
  3. I believe the rapture will happen on the day of the return of Jesus.. The Day of the LORD.. The Day of the Lord is the Day of the Messiah's Second Coming Jesus describes what will happen on that day. I will bold the words i wish you to take close note of.[/I] Matthew 24 27For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. So After the tribulation Jesus will return and gather the elect to Him. There is another Rapture verse spoken of by Jesus that links the Day of the Lord to the Rapture. Luke 17 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31" In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." When will the Son of Man (Messiah Jesus) be revealed? At His second coming the Day of the Lord. Who will take the sleeping man and the woman grinding and the man working in the field? The angels sent out in Matthew 24 verse 21 It is also nice to note that Jesus revealed that this will be a world wide event because at the time of His return it will be day on one half of the world "In that day" and it will be night on the other half of the world "in that night" Also this will be an event that will take place in a twinkling of an eye Paul reveals the rapture and its timing at the Last trumpet this scripture is probably the best rapture supporting scripture in the bible: 1 Corrinthians15: 49And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. Here Paul is saying that as we inhabit earthly bodies derived from dust so shall we inhabit new bodies changed and not made of dust. Paul goes on to explain why: 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. So the bodies that we inhabit cannot enter the Kingdom of God and also "corruption" dead bodies must also be changed also. Then Paul reveals a mystery: 51Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. So Paul is saying that "we shall not all sleep" now I hope everyone can agree that he is talking about physical death here? Paul is saying not everyone will experience physical death. He goes on to say that "we shall all be changed" both the dead and the living "in a moment", now at this point it could be argued that both the dead and the living could be changed in a moment in time, but at different times. That is to say the moment is only referring to the time it takes to change, not at the same moment. But we read on and Paul states the moment will be. "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." So not only shall both the living and the dead be changed to inherit the Kingdom of God But they will both change at the same moment, at the last trumpet. As He goes on to say "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." Paul goes on to explain it in more detail: 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory. So here again we see Paul referring to the two states of being that the saints will be in at the time of the 1st Resurrection/Rapture "So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality," Dead saints and living saints caught up together in a twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. So from what we have read the first resurrection and the rapture (although different experiences for them that take part) will happen at the same instant in time at the last trumpet. So now we go on to the next scripture this is the last trumpet revealed in the book of Revelation: Revelation10 7but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. Now the sounding of the seventh Angel is the last of a series of seven trumpets in revelation. Note that the scripture says the "Mystery of God would be finished" now the coming of the Messiah has been described by scripture at a coming in the sky (a darkened sky) and all people will see Him. Now after this event there will be on ifs or buts about the Mystery of God because all will see that God is and who He is. Everyone will know from that moment on, there will be no Mystery left. As for the darkening of the sky this is described as happening beforehand on the sounding of the forth trumpet: Revelation 8 12 Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night. Now This brings up the belief in two resurrections. The resurrection of the saints that happens at the second coming and the resurrection of the rest of mankind at the end of the 1000 years for the great final Judgement. The Book of Revelation chapter 20 clearly states that their will be two distinct resurrections one at the return of the Messiah Jesus and another at the end of the 1000 year reign of the Messiah Jesus: Revelation 20 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. satanic Rebellion Crushed (1) 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[2] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. The Great White Throne Judgment 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[3] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books
  4. I think you have read that statement wrong.. I think the "they" in the sentence is talking about the ''Many" who hate Jews..
  5. That would only be true if the person was questioning if Jesus was real and was putting Him to the test.. But Some people might ask God to come to them in a dream because they simply want to see Him.. I cannot see any problem if the person believes Jesus and trusts in the Atonement Jesus secured for their salvation.. As long as the result of that prayer request does not affect that persons bedrock of faith in Jesus then His will be done..
  6. I believe they are influenced by spirits.. evil spirits. A Christian should love others even if they believe they are their enemies..
  7. I have prayed for dreams.. But i don't remember ever praying to see Jesus.. But i did have a dream where i met Jesus.. I was pretty lost for words when i met Him all i could say was tank you for forgiving me and he gave me a hug..
  8. If the Saints stay in the throne room then the following scriptures are false:: 1 Thessalonians 3: KJV 13 "To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints."
  9. I disagree.. And i have never stated anything about only 144,000 going to heaven..
  10. I refer you back to my post in this thread where i quoted Revelation 7.. I will also add the next to confirm that the Great tribulation happens before the return of the LORD Jesus.. Matthew 24: KJV 21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. {22} And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. {23} Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. {24} For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. {25} Behold, I have told you before. {26} Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. {27} For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {28} For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. {29} ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: {30} And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. {31} And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." So the tribulation happens before the return of Jesus.. And the great multitude shown in revelation 7 are as a result of the great tribulation.. Revelation 7: KJV {9} After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {10} And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. {11} And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, {12} Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. {13} And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
  11. I do not see the 144,000 to be a symbolic number.. The number is way to specific for me to even consider it a symbolic number.. I believe there will be 144,000 innocents ( Genetic Jewish descendants of Israel ) a remnant of the Jewish people that will be preserved / protected from the terrible end times event and will form the nucleus of the still human citizens of the millennial kingdom.. They will be ruled by Jesus and His Saints along with all the rest of the people of the world for that 1000 years.. I do not believe the Great Tribulation will happen just before the end of the world.. The great tribulation will happen just before the return of the Messiah Jesus the end of this world and the start of the New World will happen at the end of the 1000 years.. So the great tribulation will happen 1000 years before the end of this world.. Yes the people mentioned as ""all nations , Kindred's and peoples and tongues" does include genetic descendants of Israel who have come to believe Jesus and trust in Him as their Redeemer.. They will be Saints and among the Saints who rule the world with Jesus for the 1000 years.. They will be ruling over the 144,000 and their descendants for those 1000 years. So there are Jews in both groups..
  12. Welcome to Worthy Danny.. Grace is forgiveness, specifically the forgiveness of God.. Salvation can only be had by obtaining the forgiveness of God for all ones transgressions against the will of God.. In this place you will find people preaching that works + grace = salvation and you will find people preaching that salvation is by Grace only.. In the end each individual will decide which of these gospels they will believe and place their eternal salvation upon.. Be wise and investigate the Word of God before making your decision on where to stand..
  13. From reading scripture i do not get the idea that these 144,000 are Saints. To me they are actual decendants of the 12 tribes of Israel from the description in Revelation i believe they are 144,000 innicents,, little ones if you like.. If you read The book of Revelation chapter 7 you can see two distict groups mentioned .. The first being the 144,000 if the tribes of Israel and a second far greater group of people who's number cannot be counted.. So these groups are two different groups.. I believe Christian Saints form the second group.. I post the passage below and bold the two different groups.. Revelation 7: KJV 1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. {2} And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, {3} Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. {4} And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. {5} Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. {6} Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. {7} Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. {8} Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealedtwelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. {9} After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {10} And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. {11} And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, {12} Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. {13} And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
  14. I have no trouble with the concept.. The only criticism of this particular video would be that the music is a little bit too loud.. Sometimes it is hard for me to hear what the narrator was saying.. So if they knock the music sound down 1/3rd it would be better..
  15. Righteousness is: Being Right With God.. Sadly many people define it as being a really good person who never does anything wrong.. As we know those people do not exist.. Only God is good..
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