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OneLight

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  1. Reread the conversation we've been having. It was the point where you stated "Influencers are mass marketers of mammon." Then Eman_3 and I stated that they are more than "mass marketers of mammon" and you claimed in a following response that "All of you are redefining Influencer in a way that contradicts the OP, which then justifies stating that blanket statements are wrong. " this is what I have been addressing, no more ... no less. I haven't once addressed anything else, so what's there for me to get past? For some reason, all this started because others can see how people can influence us either for good or for evil, not just for evil. Anyway, I'm done here so you can continue discussing what your OP is really about.
  2. Actually, the definition I use is the dictionary, not whatever or however I want to define it. It's your post, do what you will, but don't expect everyone to accept or agree with your point when redefining a word. I do know how this woke generation has been trying to change words to fit their agenda, which is why you can say "how the word is currently being applied on social media." and be correct ... they changed the meaning by replacing values, not adding to them. From Dictionary.com a person or thing that influences: The most powerful influencer of beliefs is direct experience. a person who has the power to influence many people, as through social media or traditional media: Companies look for Facebook influencers who can promote their brand.
  3. That is because the term "influencer" is not as narrowly defined as you define it. If you want to say they influence others, that is correct, but you can't just redefine the meanings of words to defend a point.
  4. We're going around in circles ... done.
  5. I see how this proves even more how divided we can be and why as inferring is assuming, which it appears we both did. I assumed you were saying that there is no division when you stated "God can and will unite us. Nothing we do or do not do can change His plan.". so I asked the question. You assumed I was saying you are "ok with homosexuality in the church" just by asking. This brings me back to the statement I made: " people don't pay close attention anymore, and that includes me at times. ", and I will add that this is also done by assuming and not asking for clarity. Really, finger pointing? Even notice when you point a finger at someone, there are three more pointing back at you? I fully agree. Online discussions are often done in a knee-jerking manner, not taking the time to fully take in what is posted, just reacting. I could of asked you if you don't see division, but didn't. You could of asked me if I was inferring you were OK with homosexuals, but you didn't. You are correct ... which, again, is why we often see division even here. Not caring enough to understand the truth behind what we read and responding without fully understanding what was read.
  6. There are those who influence in a good way and there are those who influence in a bad way. Grouping them all together is not right. Blanket statements are almost always wrong. It may take a little extra work on our part, but digging deeper into what someone is trying to "sell" is where we find the difference.
  7. Do notice that I asked a question, not make a statement. I never claimed you are "ok with homosexuality in the church" ... where in my post did you read that? I think this conversation between us is a perfect example why the body is divided to an extent ... people don't pay close attention anymore, and that includes me at times.
  8. Question ... are you united with those who believe it's OK to have gay preachers, but still follow God according to their faith? I bet your answer will be "NO, they are not true believers", but then we are actually saying that not everyone who claims to be a christian is a true christian; therefore, not part of His body. That's an extreme example, I know ... which is why I chose it. It's easy to see. In the end, He will separate the sheep from the goats, but until then, there is a community of those who claim to be His with both true and false Christians. I'm sure everyone will be surprised with who did and who did not make it, according to Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
  9. Interesting topic where both sides are correct, to a point. Yes, the body, though in Christ, is divided on what they believe and how they walk in their faith, but are one in Him. It's a hard thing to wrap one's head around sometimes when we take a serious look around. Even those of the time of Paul were divided to a point. That is the issue we have by being human. We follow what we believe, whether right or wrong.
  10. Ideally, one on one is the best means of discipleship, but when you are talking with someone miles, if not thousand of miles away, you take what you can get, even an online forum.
  11. That would be nice. It has to start from the top and flow down. Unless discipleship is front and center, it won't happen, no matter how bad some want it to.
  12. A negative way, you say? I see the older days as a much more positive environment. I guess it all depends on one's priorities and goals. I'll let things alone as it seems one cannot see the positive from a time they know nothing about.
  13. When I look through the thread at the time demographics of when each poster joined, I can see that just about every member who has experienced the change, and miss the "old days", are long time posters, unless fellowship is the main reason for being here. Those who like how the site has evolved have not been here all that long, so they don't know the extend of change that has taken place. To them, it's basically the same site it was when they joined. They even express wonder as to why the fuss, which is understandable due to not having gone through the process. As shown in Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, which shows us that everything has it's season, notice that there is a balance in life, which is His design. It's when this life becomes unbalanced, one way or the other, that we notice something is not right. If there is too much seriousness and not enough relaxation, we become unbalanced. The same for the opposite ... too much fun and not enough seriousness, we also become unbalanced. This brings me back to my first paragraph above where some feel the unbalance and other don't. It's time to get back to being balanced.
  14. / joke mode on ... That sure ain't me ... / joke mode off I do know how to have a good time, no doubt, but that is not what this thread is about. When I saw this thread, I took it as a serious inquiry, so I offered my 17 years experience of Worthy. No matter what today's members think, it is not the same place I first joined. Discipleship is all but gone. I'm not even sure if it's around any more.
  15. Occasional? It's the majority of what I have seen lately. That said, there's nothing wrong with having a good time while maintaining focus on Who this site is supposed to be about, or has this also changed? It seems that this site become member centered than Christ centered. Take a good look at the front page and you can see where the focus is by looking at the post numbers in what forum: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/ Dig deeper to see which forums the majority of posts come from. The numbers don't lie. I do want to thank you all for making my point more obvious, and I am not saying this to be sarcastic.
  16. Yes, and you are one of those who do. Thank You, even though we do have differences of opinions about what scripture means from time to time..
  17. Yes, and the Community Center was a recent addition a few years back. It was added as serious bible queries were not showing up on the front page as those type of threads were being responded to much quicker than the biblical queries were, forcing them out of sight. What do I think of them? As I said, Facebook on Worthy. People use to gather in chat or PM each other when trying to connect. The forums were dedicated to christian discussions, even when they were not always about scripture clarification itself.
  18. What do you mean by "nonsense threads", as you put it. I don't want to assume I understand your meaning. That is the foundation of divisions here, assuming. Can you give me an example, and I'll respond about what I think of it.
  19. Most have moved on. I know of a few that have passed to the next life, but those numbers are far and few. Question is, why would people who are solid and mature decide to "move on" as you put it? Did they give up on Worthy all together? Yup, you don't see them stopping by for a chat, do you? I never insisted there was nothing good, just that it's been headed downhill for some time. I know it's very unpopular to voice in a "negative" way as I did, but not all news is good news with encouragement. Sometimes it needs to be stern for correction and warning. With Jesus and the Apostles as an example, compare what their messages were and decide if it was all good news or warning, instructions and correction. You will find that the majority of what we read is the latter, without neglecting the former.
  20. There can be a difference, I agree, but when all one does is post scripture, tell me, where is the conversation that leads to understanding? It's not there. If you post a scripture and I post one in response, and this goes on and on, that is the childish game of one-upping each other, a game I refuse to play. Do you want a conversation, or a game? Your choice, @Michael37
  21. What, you want to bicker back and forth using scripture without voicing an opinion of your own? Tell me what you disagree with with my post and take your stand. I can post scripture also, but refuse to use scripture as a weapon against another believer. Doing so could lead to us both easily becoming childish trying to up on another by quoting scripture, which is misuse of scripture in my view. Notice that the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, is used against our enemies as a weapon, not other believers. Scripture is to be taken to heart for a purpose, not a substitute for meaningful conversation.
  22. @Starise As with all things, change is inevitable over time when leadership changes. When I first came here in 2007, the site was different. The admins, which were much more than just one, were solid brother and sisters in Christ. The topics were much more bible based, Christ centered and focused. Worthy was a place where one could learn a solid foundation where division was rare. False doctrine was exposed, often shut down, or quickly faded from sight as nobody responded after corrections were made. Not so today. Many topics are allowed so "people could learn how to expose a lie with the truth" due to "the experiment" George visualizes, but that opens up more cans of worms and it becomes a zoo, his vision failing in my opinion. Instead of biblical based threads, as it was then, we now see more threads about personal interests, like you would find on Facebook. What I see Worthy evolving into, and quickly over the past few years, is a Christian based Facebook, not a site where people could learn solid scriptural wisdom and knowledge as it was when I joined. Due to this, my interest to be involved has continued to wane as time goes on. Sad as it is, there is no real biblical based web site that I can find as His time draws near and believers become more like the world as they wander from the truth, where their inner fire becomes only a flicker of the past. The argument that changed this site was the cry of too much policing going on. People complained that threads were locked when fights broke out so that the thread could be cleaned. Members were "hurt" when they go banned from threads. Some members, when they outright refused correction over an extended period of time, got banned. All this caused an uproar from membership, which we don't see today. Worthy's policies have become much like what we see in society today which is resulting is letting the criminals go free, police strongly restricted from doing their jobs, courts throwing out cases or even prosecuting, those who wish to do damage are allowed to do so unhindered (just look at what many cities have become). This is what I see ... as with society and the wokeness environment, the same is seeping into this site. Where are the watchmen on the wall that sounds the alarm when they see danger approach? Where are those who will stop those who desire to do harm? They have been disbanded. Instead, ministry is now all about overseeing. Exactely what are they overseeing? Surely not how the site operates.
  23. @Starise It seems you are looking for a directed response Brother. Your title asks us to "Please Describe How You See Worthy", which is a great question, hoping for honest opinions. Then, your poll title asks a slightly different question of "Why Am I At Worthy", narrowing the possible responses. Then the poll itself clearly directs the reader to respond to one statement, "I like Worthy because..", purposefully directing the conversation to discuss only what people like about worthy. Why such a change when your thread title was the best question of all? Did you really want to know?
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