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No, I am nondenominational. I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither. No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord. What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again. Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart. Well I would say you can never lose your faith. "Perseverance of the Saints". Your arguments are really subjective. What is different from that situation you described from Peter renouncing Christ (arguably one of the "baddest" sins you can commit though God doesn't categorize them like that). You really think if Peter had say gotten speared accidentally by an unattentive Roman guard right after renouncing Christ he would have gone to Hell? I don't think that's how it works. The implications of that is that you better be SURE that you don't commit any sins right before you die! What if you're arguing with your son/sibling/friend in the car and say something hurtful to him and then get hit by and car and instantly killed 2 seconds later? Do you go to Hell? You refuse to answer my question, but instead, made up different scenarios to turn it around. As I stated, I do not believe in Once Saved Always Saved, but that is my opinion, not the ministries. Tell me, what do you make of these scriptures:? Ezekiel 18:19-32 (New King James Version) Turn and Live Yet you say,

Well... within the next couple months would be nice. Unfortunately there isn't just a Q&A box you can drop a question in for God... and even a 0.000001% chance of being damned to eternity because I can't put up with 60 years of misery scares me. Too bad drinking (or rather, getting drunk) and smoking pot is a sin, because none of the "legal" drugs have worked. I'm still a bit conflicted about whether smoking weed is actually a sin, because technically it just alters your mood just like any legal antidepressant. Or if in that case using antidepressants are a sin.

No, I am nondenominational. I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither. No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord. What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again. Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart. Well I would say you can never lose your faith. "Perseverance of the Saints". Your arguments are really subjective. What is different from that situation you described from Peter renouncing Christ (arguably one of the "baddest" sins you can commit though God doesn't categorize them like that). You really think if Peter had say gotten speared accidentally by an unattentive Roman guard right after renouncing Christ he would have gone to Hell? I don't think that's how it works. The implications of that is that you better be SURE that you don't commit any sins right before you die! What if you're arguing with your son/sibling/friend in the car and say something hurtful to him and then get hit by and car and instantly killed 2 seconds later? Do you go to Hell?

I've looked at your other threads. Are you truly looking for answers or are you attempting to provoke certain responses? Well yeah I'm trying to provoke a response since I need an answer. You're right though, you've found me out, this isn't the only tough question I've dealt with in my life. You might want to look at the posting dates too. Still look like a trolling spree? I really would've expected a bit more compassion and love from supposed members of the body of Christ but I guess I'll just have to turn to my same-age Christian friends for wisdom. Forget I asked. But thanks to all who did help.

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic? I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing. And OneLight, you ignored my question. You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

So what if the person in question has been born that way and it's only gotten increasingly worse despite years of various forms of treatment and prayer? I gotta admit I'm a little shocked by the judgmental attitudes on here. our actions don't get us into heaven and our actions don't keep us from heaven. *sarcasm* Well then, I may as well go out, get drunk, smoke some strong weed and have an affair, then rob a store at gunpoint so I can have the money to do it again since I can do nothing to loose my salvation! Why not allow my flesh to have as much fun as it would like, and if I get killed in the process, or die of an overdose, who cares? I'll see ya in heaven! */sarcasm* You have to be kidding me. I do not believe that we can not loose our salvation. Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God

That's very easy to say when you're not bi-polar, schizophrenic and have social anxiety disorder. Anyways, this thread isn't about the merits of suicide or lack thereof so please stay to the topic. Thanks

I know the Roman Catholic church believes you don't because you haven't repented of it (since you're dead), but want does the reformed church teach? Please let me know what denomination you are from when you answer. Thanks . (calvinist/Arminian, reforme/liberal etc.) EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about someone who is saved and has trusted in Jesus as their savior.

Again I don't understand this logic. You assume I'm not asking for God's help to change me. Couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm not "assuming I could do it better" as you put it. I find that frankly insulting. I pray, and then trust God to guide my actions. Like Augustine said: "Love God and do what you want". Do you pray for safety when you travel? But I bet you still put on your seatbelt right? There's a difference between predestination+trusting God and fatalism. Muslims are fatalists, and have a very "laissez-faire" approach to life. EX: That Saudi pilot story I shared a second ago. I pray for God to help me to gain physical strength and endurance, but I STILL PUSH MYSELF VERY HARD in the gym and control my eating habits. I totally disagree that bettering myself is "taking the place of God". What an absurd notion! Do you think people who get into the AA program are sinning? Oh and, believe me I pray constantly for God's assistance in all areas of my life, but I still take the action for it to happen. I don't think the only way we can trust in God is to do NOTHING and wait for divine intervention. God can work THROUGH our actions. Trusting in God is not carte blanche to sit around and do nothing. The best athletes of our time had to get there through years of hard work and dedication. Are you saying that they're "wrong" because they didn't just sit around and pray that God would make them fantastic athletes?!?! If anything, what you're suggesting could be a great excuse for laziness. Praying "Lord, please help me to get a good job", yet not bothering to walk out the door and go through dozens of painful/boring interviews.

No I haven't. Why?

Maybe you can clarify this more for me. Are you saying that you healed yourself by some form of lucid dreaming or mind control? Let me clarify. Basically what I did was focus my mind on the fact that the pain was not caused by physical means, and I journaled about my emotions and possible emotions that could have caused the pain (the theory was that the pain was created to distract from emotional turmoil). Has nothing to do with dreams, I'm just giving an example of using the "mind". I give the credit entirely to the Lord though because I found that book literally in a million-to-one chance. And no I don't consider myself a "new age" Christian I consider myself a Christian period. What is the name of the book that had helped you use your mind to heal your knee and to relieve you of your emotional turmoil? Sounds something like The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peel. The Divided Mind: The Epidemic of Mindbody Disorders by Dr. Sarno. I read a couple other books by him as well but they were essentially the same material. Highly recommended. Also, you say that God would have told us and instructed us in it if it were good... What about the thousands of things we do to better ourselves that God did NOT specifically tell us about? I find this idea that any time you're trying to "better yourself" through means not directly connected to God (though I pray for assistance through all of my endeavors) kind of... well, flat our wrong? Paul said to test the spirit, and you've yet to come up with any evidence that "learning to direct dreams" is evil.

What on earth makes you think he's the antichrist? I haven't heard of his working any miracles I'm almost positive it will be a world leader regardless. I think it's more likely to be a US president or president of the EU than Tolle that's for sure.

Maybe you can clarify this more for me. Are you saying that you healed yourself by some form of lucid dreaming or mind control? Let me clarify. Basically what I did was focus my mind on the fact that the pain was not caused by physical means, and I journaled about my emotions and possible emotions that could have caused the pain (the theory was that the pain was created to distract from emotional turmoil). Has nothing to do with dreams, I'm just giving an example of using the "mind". I give the credit entirely to the Lord though because I found that book literally in a million-to-one chance. And no I don't consider myself a "new age" Christian I consider myself a Christian period.

I really don't understand this logic at all. How is this different than learning the art of playing guitar, or drawing, or sky diving? What's wrong with being able to control your thoughts, and of all things, something as harmless as your dreams? What about "self control", keeping yourself from getting angry etc. I've had several of these lucid dreams entirely "by accident" and I really have trouble believing that learning how to induce them on purpose is "evil". I recovered from crippling knee and wrist pain entirely from using my thoughts and relieving repressed memories. This was after going to countless doctors giving me medicines and recommending even surgery (!). This was something I had to learn, an art if you will. (a book I came upon thanks I believe to my prayers to recover from the condition) Is this wrong too? Why is it that anything connected with controlling your mind you guys are considering evil? I'm curious what you all would think of some of the Christian mystics throughout history. The common theme seems to be "anything that doesn't directly involve God in improving yourself or attaining a goal is evil". What about working out to be better at sports? I mean, is it evil to have SOME measure of self-reliance while of course relying on God over all?? When you get in the car, you pray for safety, but you still put on the seat belt right? I can imagine in the past people being upset by medical research because it's "tampering with God's authority". Surely you don't agree with that logic! This reminds me for some reason of a story of a jet fighter pilot friend of mine told me about a training course he was doing with a Saudi pilot. He threw the jet into a tail spin on purpose (to see if the Saudi trainee could get out of it) and the Saudi simply said "Allah Akbar", and left the controls alone so as not to "tamper with God's authority". Obviously, my friend had to pull out the jet of the dive himself. I hope this argument makes sense, I realize I'm sort of going off on a tangent here...